REPE Finance Groups

I was able to find lots of info for people trying to break into REPE or REIB doing deal work but does anyone have any info on the finance groups supporting the real estate deal teams? (ie. Blackstone - real estate financial analyst, KKR, Apollo, etc) Same question goes for REITs too.

For someone with Big 4 audit experience whats the responsibilities and comp/bonus like?

Any info would be appreciated. Thanks

 

You're basically talking about back-office at a hedge fund or PE fund. Same thing. I would not recommend that route if you're truly interested in real estate.

 
prospie:

You're basically talking about back-office at a hedge fund or PE fund. Same thing. I would not recommend that route if you're truly interested in real estate.

Completely agree. I would steer far clear of this route. You can definitely break into a smaller RE firm doing asset management or acquisitions. Just spend the next little bit building up your RE modeling/Argus skills. Only do back office if you are interested in a career in accounting (which you may be, in which case ignore my response). As one who went from Big 4 audit -> REIT acquisitions, it is possible (not easy, but possible).

Personally, I'd rather be doing acquisitions for a $500 million fund than back office for Blackstone.

 

Not ideal - but not many options when you can't get into real estate tas group and don't want to go back to school.

Any insight on these groups? Or any better advice on what types of roles to leave for if "truly interested in real estate" like above poster said?

 
ares00389:

excellent - will do the REFM and try to get some experience with ARGUS.

3 years in public now - should i get out asap or wait until I can get a role in acquisitions or Asset Management?

Depends what you mean by "get out." I would get out asap, but that doesn't mean go do accounting as a back-office person at a real estate fund. It means get a real estate job. Sooner the better, you don't want to get pigeonholed.
 

Sucks - want to avoid accounting role but that's what everyone wants to toss my way. Want to learn modeling and argus skills to try to get a position working with acquisitions or investing but in doing that im just sticking around here longer - getting further and further into accounting

 
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I did audit and then went to REPE (top 10 firm), acquisitions. Not easy, I got extremely lucky (non-target school in new city, but interned in RE accounting in college; lucky for me, this was the peak of the last cycle in mid-2000's and there was a lot of capital to be placed; the firm I interviewed for was very picky and then finally I came along). If I tried to do this today, I would likely not have much of a chance without Grad school (MBA, MSRE). The analysts in my old role are mainly from target undergrad schools (Haas, Wharton, etc).

I'm in RE today and get asked for advice how to break in. I feel for you. So, my gameplan for 2014, if I was in audit 3 years, would be to:

1) Buy a notebook and HP-12c. You are going to write down what you learn from people. You will follow up on names, companies, deals, etc and research these things and get familiar. You will carry the HP-12c because you want to be an analyst, and an analyst is always ready to crank. I'm now someone who hires analysts and if I see these qualities, I am seeing a good first impression on me. Actively listen, because I only want to explain once (you must do this when you are talking to audit clients).

2) Join ULI, especially get involved in the Young Leaders Group if your city has one. Start to have your face seen by people in the industry. Real estate people are social creatures. It's a relationship business.

3) Develop your story, especially about your life long passion for the industry. Hiring managers will not fault you for looking for life after public accounting; however, you need to be able to justify your past decisions and explain how you are strategic with your career decision making. Since you seem to want to be on the investment side, you need to show the personality to be a deal maker (important for anyone interviewing for these jobs). Typically, you need to demonstrate drive, vision, financial modeling skills, accountability with deadlines, attention to detail, and an outgoing personality. Show that you want to eventually do deals. Public accounting helps in this storytelling. If you attended a school where Big 4 public accounting is one of the best jobs you can get through recruiting, you are a solid chance to play the "small town to riches" story (I did this). I attended the University of Hawaii. If you can see yourself investing, developing commercial real estate for the rest of your life, well into your 80's and you want your kids to join the business, then you are potentially someone who gets my point.

3) With your story and new contacts in ULI (you attend these events after work; make sacrifices, sneak out of the client office, stay up late learning), your next step is to familiarize yourself with real estate finance (your best route due to your financial accounting background). Like accounting, real estate investment analysis is an observation of several variables, particularly capital markets behavior (think Austrian Business Cycle Theory). I read forums like WSO (back then TheVault was the place for info). Back in my audit days, I purchased and read the following books: Real Estate Finance & Investments (Linneman); Term Sheets & Valuations (I was also interested in VC and PE); ULI has books with case studies. Earlier in high school and early college, I played Sim City (never mentioned this in interviews though) and read The Art of the Deal. Read soft skill books from authors Dale Carnegie and Napoleon Hill. Back then, Argus had a free trial download. Play with it. Read real estate case studies, OM’s (offering memoranda) that you can google on the internet. My point is, rapidly build up you real estate knowledge and write down insights in your notebook. Eventually, you will know what an investment thesis is (ask yourself why should I invest in this asset/company? Relative value, why is this the highest and best use of my money?

As a 3rd year, you'll probably be busy, potentially you are a senior on audit jobs. I left audit after one year to REPE, but after you do steps 1-3; you need to start applying for real estate investment analyst roles (acquisitions or Asset Management). What kind of city do you live in? If you are in SF or NY (financial capitals of their respective coasts), there will be more analyst opportunities for investment companies. Other cities, it will depend. See selectleaders.com and look at the jobs there (SF/NYC).

Early in your career, you should try to achieve the following: high deal flow (4-6+ closed transactions per year), diversity of markets, and diversity of asset types. A top REPE will give you 3 out of 3. A commercial lending group will give you some of this, but you will not get to waterfall underwriting until you get to the equity side. My point is, if you don't get REPE, go for lending to get deal flow/markets/asset types. Continue developing steps 1-3, and in 2-3 years you will have an even stronger background to move closer to your goal. In fact, for every year in RE, you will become more experienced and hence more marketable.

So, my advice to anyone. You can try to get REPE and all those prestigious RE jobs, but look at your career as a development project. There will be starts, stops, but perseverance is key. In development, you can run out of money and be in trouble. In your RE career, you need drive, vision, financial modeling skills, accountability with deadlines, attention to detail, and an outgoing personality (even this you can work on). If you run out of drive, you’re done. It definitely helps that you know how to work (different from being good in school). Keep it Simple Stupid (KISS); triple check your work; seek inefficiencies in mundane tasks; find a firm that you eventually feel loved; and be grateful and a little bit fearful that you are in the chair that is coveted by many others. Your audit experience should help you use excel without a mouse (if not, learn it) and teach you spreadsheet do’s and don’ts for executive presentation. If you are a typical undergrad business student, I hope you brush up on your business writing skills. As an analyst/associate/director, etc you will be involved in the preparation of investment committee memos. Learn how to write. Familiarize yourself about real estate cycles and investment risk. You will sound more mature.

Be grateful for your Big 4 experience, and move on (96% of your peers eventually do). It helped steer you to seek a career you are passionate about and its a great entry to the work world.

And when you learn the ropes and get it. Mentor others. THIS is real estate.

Have compassion as well as ambition and you’ll go far in life. Check out my blog at MemoryVideo.com
 

have been applying for real estate investment analyst roles (acquisitions or Asset Management) in NY but haven't had any movement. Seems that they're all looking for "advanced/ modeling skills". Am I going to be out of luck unless I enroll in REFM courses? Purchased Linneman's book in the meantime.

Starting my 4th year soon in Big 4 and really want to get the ball rolling in the right direction as soon as possible.

Any advice would be appreciated.

 

If no luck in Asset Mgt or Acquisitions, work for a bank making commercial RE mortgage loans. This would be a stepping stone. Will you get deal flow/markets/asset diversification experience. Yes, yes, most likely (if you do construction lending, that's another quiver in your hat). Will you be modeling cash flows? Yes. Start there and do the following:

1) see if you are cut out for analyst roles; do you see yourself having what it takes to be a loan originator?

2) is the modeling and investment committee process to easy for you and you need more challenge?

I have high confidence that with 1-2 years of lending and you've answered yes to my questions above, you will be 50% more marketable to me.

The alternative is make it to manager and get an MBA/MSRE, although I would recommend MBA if you havent worked in RE before and might change your mind. Furthermore, if you do the bank and a part time MBA (say NYU, you don't even have to wait until you're finish since you're working and going to school but it's a huge sacrifice), that would make you 100% more marketable and I might even consider you as a sr analyst or potentially associate position. With lending I would value your knowledge of capital markets.

Remember your career is like a long term development project. Make a 3 year plan and you can rebrand yourself.

Have compassion as well as ambition and you’ll go far in life. Check out my blog at MemoryVideo.com
 

I would personally value lending experience over consulting or appraisal. Both are great, and the demonstrative work skills and level of detail into a single deal is probably more in depth than lending. With that said, if I wanted deal flow/markets/product diversity AND investment risk analysis, then I want to think like a principal not consultant type experience. If you are going to spend 2 years doing something to set you up for REPE, I would value again your capital markets knowledge. That's my opinion. Also, talk about pigeonholing. There's that in real estate too. Be an analyst at a bank.

Have compassion as well as ambition and you’ll go far in life. Check out my blog at MemoryVideo.com
 

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