Working in CMBS (NYC specifically)

Curious if anyone has insights on what it is like working at a "large loan" CMBS lender (i.e. JPM, Barclays, Wells, Citi, MS, etc.) at the Senior Associate / VP level in NYC, mainly around culture, hours, deal flow and the day to day.

I’ve spent ~3 years at a RE debt fund and ~3 years on the REPE side, and from what I can tell, CMBS seems a lot less focused on “risk/return" and asset level underwriting, but more process / volume driven. That said, sounds like the hours can still stack up given deal flow. Also, there is backend work after originating to get the loan off the BS and securitized, which is a whole other aspect of the business not privy when on the RE PE/Credit side.  

Would be great to hear how the role actually stacks up in terms of day-to-day responsibilities, lifestyle, and WLB compared to the "traditional" RE PE/Credit investing platforms. Thanks in advance, all. 

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here’s what you need to know about working at a "large loan" CMBS lender in NYC at the Senior Associate/VP level:

  1. Culture and Hours:

    • CMBS roles, especially at large institutions like JPM, Barclays, Wells, Citi, and MS, tend to be more process and volume-driven compared to traditional RE PE/Credit platforms.
    • The hours can stack up due to the high deal flow and the backend work required to securitize loans after origination. While not as intense as some IB roles, the workload can still be demanding, especially during busy periods.
  2. Day-to-Day Responsibilities:

    • The role involves a mix of origination, underwriting, and securitization.
    • Unlike RE PE/Credit, where there’s a heavy focus on risk/return and asset-level underwriting, CMBS leans more towards managing processes and ensuring volume targets are met.
    • Post-origination, there’s significant backend work to package and securitize the loans, which adds another layer of responsibility not typically seen in RE PE/Credit roles.
  3. Lifestyle and Work-Life Balance (WLB):

    • While CMBS may not have the same level of asset-level deep dives as RE PE, the process-driven nature and deal volume can still lead to long hours.
    • Compared to traditional RE PE/Credit platforms, the lifestyle might feel more transactional and less strategic, which could impact WLB depending on personal preferences.
  4. Comparison to RE PE/Credit Investing:

    • CMBS is less focused on nuanced asset-level underwriting and more on executing and managing the securitization process.
    • RE PE/Credit platforms often provide a more strategic and analytical approach to investments, with a stronger emphasis on risk/return profiles.
    • CMBS roles might feel more operational and volume-oriented, which could be a shift for someone coming from a RE PE/Credit background.

If you’re transitioning from RE PE/Credit, it’s worth considering how much you value the strategic, asset-level focus versus the process-driven, high-volume nature of CMBS. The backend securitization work is also a unique aspect of CMBS that might require some adjustment.

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You’re pretty much on point with that take. Large-loan CMBS roles at the Senior Associate/VP level are definitely more process and volume oriented than traditional REPE or debt fund work. You’ll spend a lot of time managing diligence, coordinating third parties, and structuring deals for securitization rather than deep asset-level underwriting.

 

Interesting, when you say “deal flow can really get the best of people”, what do you mean exactly? The repetitive/process-heavy nature of it? Or more the burnout from constant volume and tight deadlines? Long hours (closer to banking)?

Thanks in advance

 
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Just the fact there are always fire drills, sometimes mulitple at once due to all the volume you and team are processing. Plus, as you alluded to, it's very rinse and repeat after a while (so are most other senior debt products). Hours can get brutal, especially if your lead originator goes on a tear and signs up like 3-4 deals in a week or two. All that combined causes people to freak out and get paralysis by analysis - it's fairly sink or swim and those who sink never stood a chance in the first place.

And then, the bane of my existence, is going back and forth with risk on the underwriting assumptions when everyone knows the deal is off the books shortly after closing. 

 

Could you provide any insights at comp for the junior levels? Have ~2 years of balance sheet lending exp. and am interested in moving over to CMBS

 

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