BBA Essec vs Bsc Finance: Data science at Exeter university
I'm a senior in high school in paris, i'm both french and english and I would like to work in private banking/private wealth management (maybe even IB if i'm lucky enough). I currently hold two offers, global BBA Essec and a bsc Finance : data science at Exeter. I would like to have a career in either London or Paris (better because of brexit ?) but I really don't know where to go next year.
The BBA Essec is the most competitive BBA/Bachelor in france and generaly the best one, But the reputation of BBA in france is kind of bad. Is the reputation of the bba in london bad aswell ?
My second choice is a Bsc finance at exeter put I feel like it's a low semi target. I know that I can get a top 5 french MiM after graduation but I don't know if it is any better than the BBA.
I would like to know what do you think is the best option/path for a career in PWM or even IB.
Go to exeter. BBA Essec is a scam. You won't be eligible to any top 3 MiM. With exeter you can aim the top 2 and ideally HEC with a good GMAT (and good GPA ofc). Good luck
Hey, mind going more into detail why Global BBA at ESSEC is not as good as they say?
Based on rankings, it is very well ranked in France and Europe, often being #1 and within top 5, respectively.
Just wanna know more about this since it's a famous program and my younger brother is very interested in it.
I think what OP meant was not just targeted at the ESSEC BBA but more globally at all bachelor's programs in France.
The short explanation is : the "Classes Prépa" pathway is much more highly regarded in France, as the reputation of business schools mainly stems from their Master in Management (MiM or Programme Grande École/PGE) programs, which students typically join after 2–3 years of prep school. This reputation largely comes from the highly selective nature of the Prépas, and to a lesser extent, from students who join the MiM through parallel admission from public French universities or international institutions. It goes without saying that MiM programs typically offer the best placement.
Bachelor’s programs, on the other hand, suffer from a relatively poor reputation in France. I would say this is due to several reasons. 1) The admission process is not as selective as for MiM programs (though the specifics may have changed, it is still relatively easy to enter these programs, especially given the large cohort sizes). 2) Quite expensive path, considering that it can reach 15k per year, and then you will most likely need to do a Master, so total cost could exceed 100k easily. This explains why BBA students sometimes acquire the 'rich kids' label, as these programs are often perceived as a 'pay-to-win' pathway. 3) The programs are very generalist, attracting many young students who are unsure about their career goals, which likely leads to weaker placement outcomes.
Obviously, there are several tiers of MiM and BBA programs. I’d say the BBA programs at ESSEC and EDHEC are the two best BBA programs, and in finance, they can provide a solid starting point. While this is a broad generalization, a student from the ESSEC BBA can likely secure similar internship opportunities as a student from a top 6–9 MiM program. Essentially, these BBAs are not target programs, but motivated students who are determined to break into finance have a fair chance of success. It might require building up their CV with a few more internships compared to students from top-5 MiM programs, but the opportunity is there.
To counter what OP said, it is possible for BBA students (at least from ESSEC or EDHEC) to enter top-3 MiM programs, although it is quite rare (perhaps 5 students per cohort), so I would not rely on this outcome. However, it is quite common for them to pursue a MIF at schools like ESSEC, ESCP, LBS, or Imperial. If you have the financial resources and possibly some connections to help secure interviews or internships, pursuing a BBA is absolutely fine. You would still attend one of the best business schools in the country and would likely enjoy your time there. However, I would strongly advise against going into debt for a BBA in France if you aim to work in IB or other prestigious careers but lack the connections or network to secure initial interviews or internships.
Thank you so much for this detailed reply! I really appreciate it, thanks for putting so much effort!
So, assuming a student does this BBA at ESSEC/EDHEC and does some decent internships like working in a big company or maybe Big 4, but nothing close to IB, how may he/she break into IB after joining a Master in Finance at one of these above mentioned schools (LBS, ESSEC, ESCP, Imperial) considering they will attend these Masters at age 22-24 without prior experience in IB? Do you have any advice on this? And I know that the point of the MIF is to help you break into the industry, but oftentimes for summer internships they require you to already have some experience. Additionally, most of these MiFs are very short (9-10 months), that means that you'll basically need to have an offer before the start of the course pretty much...
I hope you get what I'm asking. Feel free to let me know if I'm confusing. Thanks again for the time.
I think with both EDHEC and ESSEC, it is part of the program to complete at least 1 six-month internship during your final 2 years, so ideally, yes, you would aim for something relevant to IB recruiting, like audit at a Big 4 firm.
You are absolutely right that enrolling in a Master's program without prior experience is pretty much a waste, as you would probably get no looks from recruiters, and may even struggle to get admitted in the first place, as these programs usually prefer candidates they believe are most likely to secure strong job placements post-graduation.
A very common approach is to take a gap year after your bachelor's degree to complete 2 six-month internships (for example in mid-market M&A boutique, transactions services, ...). This way, by the time you start your Master's program in August/September, you’ll already have relevant experience on your CV. This will significantly improve your chances when applying for summer and OC internships, or even FT (although very unlikely)
ESSEC BBA is a complete scam that funds the GE.
Agreed!
You giys have no idea what you are talking about. You all are delusional.
BBA is not as prestigious as GE. thats true. But, in london nobody cares about the degree. My friend is in the IB BB London and another guy is in top tier fund. I am working at a IB BB myself. If you a have decent CV, you will get interviews in the summer cycle. You can be from LBS MFA or HEC MIM, YOU WILL STILL GET NOTHING IS YOU DONT HAVE A GOOD CV.
You guys are retarded and delusional thinking exeter is better. Good luck with Exeter😂. Apply though the bristol tracker and good luck with 0 interviews
lets put it this way
ESSEC BBA + good internship >> ESSEC GE + Meh Internship
So its all about the way you use it
The kind of ignorance is ridiculous.
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