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Yeah, but that doesnt mean you cant get an equally as good or better offer than others at those schools. I would try not to compare yourself to people from other schools, as that's irrelevant now and will make you just feel worse for no reason. Just know that many people at Duke land great offers
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Yet another HS student crying about going to a great school
You've already accepted Duke. Just focus on doing well there. No benefit to worrying about this,
very unfortunate to see this from a future dukie. just relax and enjoy your summer and next four years. don't fret over recruiting as a freshman, focus on making the most of the A+ duke undergrad experience
I went to a target and WSO treats the school like it's a community college lol. Don't let this website get to your head.
Duke is a great school. Almost all of the top banks and consulting firms recruit there. Just make the most of your experience and enjoy the summer :)
Cornell or NYU, I bet my left nut
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What’s it matter now? Just do your thing. Duke is a target at most banks, you’ll be fine.
There will be only a very marginal difference in opportunities between Duke and HYP but it's still elite and a top dog.
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/comprehensive-undergraduate-targ…
That is a high schooler’s list of what he believes the target schools are...
I don't see a problem with that since it's generally pretty accurate of the school hierarchies. OP asked about Duke and I agree that it's not as good as HYP but is still elite and used that link to back my point up.
Well it depends on if you play lax or not
Nahh bro you're good. If non targets can get into IBD with a good GPA and decent social skills you shouldn't worry. Just focus on getting good grades and having some nice extracurriculars and you'll be fine; Duke is a great school.
If we're talking dating opportunities, you've hit the goldmine at DUke. Idk why but DUke girls are wild. If you date guys, they're wild too.
Duke athletics and academics are both top tier. Basketball, lax are well known and the alumni network is massive relative to its size as a college with many alum working in IB. I think you landed in a much better position than you know !
Very little difference, if any.
There is a big difference between HYPW and Duke. A huge one. Within HYPW, there’s a difference between HW and YP, albeit a small one, but it’s still there. Some firms are exclusive to HW, at least at the junior level. Duke isn’t anywhere near this picture in terms of IB/PE placements, but that’s not to say it won’t absolutely get you where you want to go. It will, it’s still a top tier school. But it’s not on HYPW’s radar. Expecting MS here by the army of Dukies. It’s just the truth.
Yeah, for jobs directly out of school (which is what this post is referencing), you're correct.
This comment is insane. Do you actually have experience in recruiting across IB/PE/HF? or are you an intern as your title would suggest?
Across all of the top schools there are slight variations, as an example MIT is considered as a top school for most quant places but less so IB, Wharton is the top or close to it for IB, you get the point.
Additionally, there are some firms that are smaller (or are extremely selectively) and tend to target a smaller set of schools but will have other channels (outside of direct on campus recruiting) to make sure they get resumes across a wider spectrum of schools.
All that being said, the opportunities you have at Duke (or similar) Vs HYPW are similar, all top BB and EB’s will actively recruit, and if you are a top student you will get interviews. Once you get interviews your school matters very little (your major might matter, your GPA, school brand might help orient those numbers but is rarely the deciding factor). You might miss out at a few niche opportunities but for the “standard” undergrad -> IB route you are totally fine and the difference isn’t “huge” as the other post suggests.
I have experience in IB recruiting, and I have connections in PE, people who would wholly agree with my assessment. When it comes to IB recruiting, sure opps between Duke, HYP, and virtually any target would be similar because BBs, and what this site refers to as EBs, all recruit. There is no exclusivity to HW unless, as you mentioned, its a small shop (e.g. Raine) with extremely selective recruiting processes.
That said, OP didn't say IB specifically, so I took the liberty of assuming he/she was talking about high finance in general. Truth is, when it comes to PE, there are many more shops (relative to IB) that will be partial to any school (again, at the junior level) that's not HW. Look at any firm of a Berkshire/Crestview/Centerbridge caliber, and Duke's representation (and similarly, other peer targets to Duke) are far less than what you see at Yale/Princeton, which are far less than what you see at Harvard/Wharton.
I'm not shitting on Duke, it's a top school that I wouldn't have minded attending, but to say it's similar to HYPW is lunacy.
Look at the PE analyst programs and the RX banking programs (also the top M&A groups). You see very few Duke students. Maybe your argument is that Duke students get the opportunity and simply aren't chosen? Regardless, your argument is too extreme. There's obviously a gap in outcomes for first jobs.
Also your point on school brand not mattering is wrong. Few candidates interview perfectly. Given that uncertainty, it's definitely a sway factor when trying to assess who is best equipped for the job and capable of handling the rigor.
You have to be more specific on firms though. PE, maybe, HF definitely not, IB, also not. Then within that you can get even more specific (quant Vs fundamental, S&T vs M&A), my point is that you won’t have doors closed, and that while some doors will be a bit wider from those schools the diff is actually very small.
People mention they have “connections” in PE or are looking at profiles, but no one is actually involved in the recruiting which is why I’m making such a strong argument. It is misleading to discuss it the way this poster did (huge difference across these schools). There are so many variables to consider (network, etc) but no one will look at a 3.7-4.0 student from duke with a good resume and think that they can’t work at their firm.
Having been heavily involved in recruiting and picking schools, I can tell you the differences are very small in the areas of finance I am involved it. Granted my experience is more on the HF side.
I never mentioned HF because I have no experience there. I said there is little difference across all targets when it comes to IB recruiting. So on those two points, you're not proving even my initial post wrong, you're agreeing with me.
When it comes to PE, I'll do you a favor and tier out how the schools are represented at the most top-tier firms. These are at the associate level (I am assuming OP would go the cookie cutter IB, PE route)
Tier 1: Harvard, Wharton gap Tier 2: Yale Princeton Tier 3: Dartmouth, Stern Tier 4: Cornell, GTown, Duke, Stanford, Columbia, Brown Tier 5: Ross Tier 6: Berkeley
Could be a bit of self-selection bias here, but I feel this most aptly represents representation across even top IB positions. If you don't believe me, do a linkedin search for every top exclusive PE firm you can think of, and put "associate" as the title. Filter to make sure all candidates had prior banking experience (otherwise you have people who worked at EY/PWC with associate in their title at BX).
Point72/Citadel recruit lots of undergrads, but few people on this forum have any desire to work in those types of roles. Decent size single manager HF opportunities are rare and almost exclusively HW .
Basically every PE analyst program. SLP, BX, WP, KKR, etc. Not sure what the debate is here. I'm sure Duke has placed some, but it's skewed heavily towards a few schools.
3.7 to 4.0 is far too broad. We wouldn't consider a 3.7 from any school. A 3.85 from Duke I would also cut the vast majority of the time. I say this having screened many, many undergrad resumes. The top schools are great filters when you get so many resumes for so few spots.
Of course, if they get a job at a good BB, then it's a lot easier to interview them for an associate position. Medium term outcomes might not vary much at all.
Once you attend an Ivy League, Stanford, Duke, Georgetown, MIT, etc., you will all get the same opportunities upon graduation. Maybe HYP a little more so than others, but not by much. Focus on making the most at your school. I know many people who would do anything to get into any of the aforementioned schools, especially Duke. Congratulate yourself for this accomplishment and make the most out of Duke. The student life is incredible there and the curriculum is extremely undergraduate focused. The alumni network will work wonders for you in a way you have never thought possible.
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what’s wrong with GTown? It’s very well represented on the Street.
Looking back, I did come off as a dick @Prospect in S&T, and @HoyaFromFlushing. Can't delete my other posts for some reason, but I apologize. Apologies on the GTown dig too. It is a top school that will afford all the opps you want, and you should be incredibly proud of your accomplishment.
that's a big ego you got there!
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