Anyone reading/read “The Trading Game", by Gary Stevenson, former Citi STIR trader?
Curious to get some thoughts from folks currently on a similar desk. Putting aside the fact that the story takes place over 10 years ago, wondering how much of the day to day/situations he describes are comparable to what goes on today.
Also, just thoughts on the book in general..
Just finished it today. It was a good read and overall I like how Gary comes across but below I will list things I have an issue with in case an impressionable kid reads the book and takes it as gospel.
All of that said it's probably the best finance-person-tells-all book since Liar's Poker as the guy actually spends a lot of time on the finance and doesn't just chat about parties and drugs like most other similar books. I hope he is in a good place mentally and that he keeps on popularising economics and finance but I'd be happier if he starts offering some slightly more nuanced takes. If people want to read more about inequality and how it negatively affects growth I'd suggest reading Trade Wars Are Class Wars by Michael Pettis and Matthew Klein which goes deeper than what Gary offers on his YouTube channel and offers similar conclusions with less extreme politicising.
Also, not on a similar desk sorry. I'm a vol guy, lol
S&T personalties are a different breed.
ahaha thats so funy. any experiences you have to share?
Some builder man who came by our house to do some work one time (sleazy man, but all tradies are) said I should go "look up Gary to prepare for what I need to know and be prepared to go and get coffees for people".
I don't know much about this Gary person but that pissed me off and if that is the type of audience that he draws, then I think I'd rather not read or hear about him.
Wishful thinking from him. The irony is that society will only become increasingly economically stratified as time goes on. It’s merely a power fantasy which will never manifest, for better or worse.
I just don't like tradies.
I haven’t read his book and never will, but from all the promotional media coverage written on him this is the impression I got: he got insanely lucky, his luck ran out/he got burnt out and now plays this ‘I am so cool and you guys are stupid, capitalism bad I got the better of it’ persona. He must be insanely insufferable. He is literally shitting on everything and every institution he interacted with when he displayed limited skill (lol at his carry trade), even more limited insights (sorry to burst your bubble but economic inequality isn’t driving shit in the real world) and walked out with millions at a young age (god I wish I was a trader at a bank 15 years ago, gambling away their capital). He won life’s lottery and uses that just to mythologise himself.
A lot of people made money at a similar age, none of them are so insufferable and self-righteous about it. Go party in Dubai or Bali like a normal newly minted young millionaire instead of being miserable in London and preaching midwit communist doctrine.
Read the whole book. Guy sounds like he got insanely lucky as it he says that most of his pnl in his 4-5 yr career came from like a couple big trades. My main gripe is how annoying and entitled this guy is. Spoilers alert. In the later parts of the book he talks about how he claws all of his unvested deferred stock from Citi by being completely useless at his job and quit to work for a charity, a loophole his superior exploited. To top it off, dude ends the book by saying that he became a millionaire for himself and other poor boys like him as if he was some kind of robinhood lol. In reality, he just burnt out and was an opportunist like everyone else.
Just saw his BI video - classic non target dream/archetype to go from poor background, use your street smarts (succeeding at trading game card game), and make it with the "big boys."
Honestly feel like the money changed him. Basically thinks he's the shit now but nowadays you have 20 year olds making much more $, consistently, across the Street.
Find him totally cringe but I guess he thinks he's God now and that the rich kids from rich backgrounds are bad and what not so that works for him.
Reminds me of @giveadvicepls in terms of personality and dreams lol...
He has a TikToK where he screams about inequality in the UK, and west, while offering no deeper solutions than to just "tax the rich". Ya, it's a problem in the UK (and always has been since the times of the British East India Company lmao), but just taxing the UHNW, isn't going to be as easy as he thinks.
I've read a bit of his book, but I have to say, he comes off as a typical Northern working class naive foolish Brit to me. "Back in the day when I went to nanna's house for some pie after school....". Lol. Seems to have a chip on his shoulder for growing up working class, in some shitty northern industrial dump.
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