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Okay, so I am in a little life dilemma and could use some opinions. Here is a little info about myself: I currently am a senior at a top 15 ranked undergrad business school. However, I did little to no work over the course of my 4 years here and have a GPA a little over 3.0. Two summers ago I managed to get an internship in private wealth management at a large bank through connections. This past summer I got an internship in securities at one of the two remaining former (strictly) investment banks, again through connections. Without a full time job offer, I am stranded up a dried up creek without a paddle, boat, or civilization within a million miles.
I know a girl whose dad is very high up at a bb and easily has the connections to get me a full time job. This girl is close friend of mine and is a 7.0/10. I am certain she would go into a relationship with me. Not to sound arrogant (especially considering im jobless), but I have a way with women. I generally am intimate with around 3-5 girls at a time that are in the 8-10 range. Yes, I would like to get married and have kids some day, which is exactly why I date so many women. It is better to diversify, and eventually, I am confident I will find "the one". Back to the girl. I have minimal sexual interest in this girl and no interest in a relationship. However, I am considering dating her for the potential chance of her dad getting me a good job. So what am I worried about? A bunch of things. Well for starters, I am worried that in ten years I will have a successful job and a (different)good wife, but won't be able to look myself in the mirror. I am worried that I may date her for a while and her dad still won't get me a job (not a big worry). I am worried that he gets me a job and its end up being working directly for him; I would then likely to have to be in a serious relationship for 2 years before I could easily switch jobs, which could be devastating for everyone (and he may give me a terrible recommendation at the end). Also, what if she catches me with another woman.
Your thoughts?
sounds like you could make it work as a pimp or escort service. I'd give that a shot if you don't want to date this chick
I love it.
You know what you have to do, be a winner.
Date the girl, get the job, and then... very nicely(so her dad doesn't kick you to the curb) kick her to the curb).
Do what you have to do. You don't need to stick around with her after you get the job. Most likely, if her dad gets you a job, chances are slim it will be under him.
I can relate to the "I don't mind doing this now, but what if I grow up and reflect on all the things I've done and am completely repulsed." My response to that is, the ability to do these sorts of things is not easy, its almost a talent, most people cannot do it. It takes a certain callousness and moral flexibility to do it. To live according to the standards you may have in the future, is to intentionally under utilize your potential. Do what you gotta do and bask in the glory. When I started giving the "what if I regret this when Im older" mentality, I really started getting soft and started to lose my edge.
First of all, with all due respect, I don't think you will be able to get a job with that you are thinking. However, I wish you all the best and think you need to change your attitude. She is a respectful girl and you can't just play with her feelings ....even if it works out with her there might be some ripple effects as you mentioned. Let me tell you that her dad is so smart and might know right away why you are dating her....so you might be in a big trouble because you deceived her daughter..
Here is what I would do , if you know that girl well, tell her that you are interested in speaking with her dad, and then you talk to her dad a friend or as some who knows her daughter, he might be able to help you.
Let us know how it goes and I hope that you will not only date her because of the prospects of getting a job
What happened to the person who got you an internship in S&T at GS/MS? That's some serious connections considering your school and GPA so try to work that. Besides, that kind of experience should be enough to get you into a smaller shop. Last time I checked, slaying a girl rarely leads to job opportunities outside of a well-defined portion of the film industry.
There is a lot I want to say to you, but instead I'll leave it at this:
I think it is arrogant of you to assume you will be guaranteed this amazing job at some bank. Worse though, is the fact that you would take advantage of someone who is your "close friend," and use her dad to get you a job. It sounds like if you did date her, you expect to continue to see other women, and hope that no one finds out.
I am definitely more confident in my ability to analyze balance sheets rather than relationships, but in your case I will definitely tell you to not go through with your plan.
I think its more upto what kind of guy her dad is.
Some guys just dont give enough of a shit about their daughter's boyfriends, some wouldn't want to be bothered even if they loved you, and some intentionally wouldn't get involved (don't shit where you eat mentality), and some would bend over backwards if thats what his princess wanted, etc.... I think the key is being with her for a decent amount of time so you know her dad well etc... If nothing else you can get a lot of inside pointers from her old man and give her a few pointers inside in the meantime.
Oh my God hahaha
i miss college.
We're about to enter a Great Depression. Don't you want a president who's already dressed for it?
lmao
It's not what you know, it's who you know. Sounds like you understand that, so take advantage of that and do what you gotta do with this girl for the next few months and get yourself a job. In 10 years when you are looking at yourself in the mirror and wondering how you could do this, just blame the economy and lack of job opportunities.
okay, you say this girl is a close friend of yours - what makes you think that the fact that you're dating her is the only way to ask her for a favor? if she's a CLOSE friend of yours, why wouldnt she ask her father to help you out anyways? i feel like that route would just make her father want to help you more anyways since he might see it as "good networker, good friend" rather than "oh hey, look, my daughter's boyfriend just coincidentally happens to be interested in finance..." If you are close friends, just ask her to help you out - nobody is so blind that they dont understand the current economic situation and how hard the job market is... I'm sure she could ask him for you. You avoid the whole mess this way, still use the connection and don't have a moral problem with the whole thing. i dont see the issue, just ask her for the help!!!!!
I have thought about this extensively. Let me give a little bit more information about myself and my current logic. Okay, I am reasonably outgoing and have done a decent job networking. I have gotten in touch with a number of managing directors who all were willing to help me. However, their version of help almost always consists of submitting my resume to HR and giving a good reference. From there, it is always up to HR to hire me, which never does due to the state of the economy (and my gpa). Now I could easily ask her to help me out, and it almost certainly would go down this same path, especially considering recruiting is over. He does not know me personally and truthfully, he could careless about my future. However, if I date her, suddenly my future (potentially) becomes his daughters future. Additionally, would he rather tell his fellow colleagues that his daughter is seriously dating some unemployed waste or a new analyst at his bank? Not only that but I could certainly bring out my manipulative side and pressure her to to keep nagging her dad. My main concern is that if I ask her as a friend, then my one remaining chance of getting a decent job may fly out the window.
god i was so you 3 years ago...its amazing what 3 years in the working world will do for your maturity level and perspective but at the risk of sounding like an old man I think you should approach her as a friend and just talk to her dad...you can still smash that but I wouldnt reco dating her...besides you are better off focusing on a career than a gf at this stage
Buddy you can't diversify away market risk and in this case... the market is really shitty so... sounds like your plan isn't going to work.
Keep banging the chicks as long as you can and don't let them realize you're a chump from a half cocked non target school with crappy GPA who wouldn't stand a chance in an interview.
This is an absolutely terrible plan. Your whole analysis relies on two key mistakes:
1) This guy is so high up he can snap his fingers and get you a job. 2) If you were dating his daughter, he would be willing to do so for you.
Reality check my friend, people in these positions get hit up for job opportunities ALL THE TIME. They get slammed by all their family friends with kids who want great opportunities. Unless you are in a very serious relationship with this girl, you won't stand a chance. From your post, you don't have the time you will need to dedicate to get to that stage, and even then I doubt he will pull any strings for you if he even can (Note: I'm not even addressing the moral issue of pretending to date the girl, as that is really pathetic). In the current economic environment even nepotism is suffering. Banks are laying off thousands of people and tons of corporations are in a hiring freeze. You're going to have to wait out the crisis or devise another scheme, because this one is not going to work.
~~~~~~~~~~~ CompBanker
Get her drunk, then knock her up.
Fuck all this moral terptitude bullshit. In the words of Christopher Wallace: "for the bread and butta, I leave niggas in the gutta.". Do what you gotta do. Although I am mildly repulsed by your medicrity, I'm with you.
All these people saying what a scum bag you are, are the same ones who busted their ass throughout college to land the gigs they have now, the last thing they want is to see the dickwad who was fucking their gf's while they were studying land alongside them at GS TMT.
Yea, I don't know who you know... but I know the head of IBD at one of the two remaining "investment banks" very well and he could barely get me an interview there. Unless he owns the bank, he can't snap his fingers and get you a job...
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[quote=Convenience Software]Yea, I don't know who you know... but I know the head of IBD at one of the two remaining "investment banks" very well and he could barely get me an interview there. Unless he owns the bank, he can't snap his fingers and get you a job...
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There is a difference between "could" and "wanted to."
If Josh Harris called up the head of GS IBD or MS IBD and said he would really appreciate if he could get his nephew a job, his nephew would be spreading comps by the end of the week.
Unless by "head of IBD" you mean the VP who heads the consumer staples coverage group.
I just re-read that... that is complete horse shit. The head of IBD could barely get you an interview?
An associate got get me an interview at an EXTREMELY competitive group at a top tier bank. Given he went to bat for me, and is very highly respected, but an associate none-the-less.
I think your contact must have been Dick Fuld.
Marcus,
The recruiting landscape looks nothing like it did a year ago, or even 3 months ago. Things are changing on a monthly and sometimes weekly basis. In the current environment, it is unlikely your associate would be able to score you anything at all.
~~~~~~~~~~~ CompBanker
I acknowledge that. But I seriously doubt the division head at GS or MS has a hard time getting someone an interview.
I'm not supporting the suggestion that an MD snaps his fingers and gets someone a job, I'm just calling bullshit on whoever made the claim that the IDB head could barely get them an interview.
To the OP:
Your plan won't work. If she's your good friend, just ask her. If you start dating her and then conveniently ask her old man for a gig, chances are one (if not both) of them will see right through you. The only way I see this panning out is if she's head over heels in love with you already and is willing to do anything for you--in which case you could ask her as a friend and she would probably hook you up anyways hoping that you will date her out of sheer gratitude. Her asking her dad won't necessarily turn into an offer though.
What kind of position do you think this guy can get you? As I'm sure you know, pretty much everyone on wall street is on a hiring freeze right now (at every division), and given your credentials I think its highly unlikely that this little endeavor will prove fruitful for you. Candidly, you would have a hard time getting hired in a bull market, even with a hook-up (unless your last name is Blankfield or Dimon). Top 15 bschool sounds like a non-target and with a gpa below 3.5 in this market you'd be a long-shot for back office...
Alright... you are correct, he didn't have any trouble getting me an interview. I am simply saying that in this hiring environment, it is very difficult for anyone at a firm to simply snap their fingers and get someone a job, especially someone who JUST started dating their daughter.
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Dude, hilarious, go for it. Take this chick's anal virginity, tell her that you love her, and milk her dad for a job. Know what you'll see when you look in the mirror in 20 years? A smile-- ear to ear baby.
It won't work because its too obvious. Think about it, if you date his daughter and all of a sudden inquire about jobs he will find out. If this guy has the power to get you a ft job by himself that means he's a group head or senior md, people that rich are always suspicious.
The only way it can work is, and someone already mentioned this, you have to knock her up. That way the guy will be too invested in your future. Gl with that.
Let me clarify something. I have a low gpa because I put no effort in to my studies, not because I am certifiably retarded. I am not going to date her for two weeks and then ask to speak to her dad.
I see it going more like this in my head: Within the next couple of months, I am casually walking around one of her vacation homes when she asks me what I plan on doing with my life. I tell her I am trying to get a job in finance but times are tough. She says, "Oh really my dad is a division head for this bank." I look puzzled and quickly respond,"I thought your dad was a doctor?" From there, I begin to befriend her dad and simultaneously pressure her to repeatedly tell her dad to get me a job.
Even if she genuinely is suspicious, you would be amazed at how girls tell themselves exactly what they want to hear, if they have feelings for a guy.
This could either end in 6 months with me and the father smoking cubans and telling jokes about my job while cruising around his yacht or me ending up in the hospital with 42 stab wounds.
Either way, I already called her to hang out next week. I am not doing this so much out of greed, but more along the lines that I have let myself and my family down. As Marcus put it so eloquently in his posts, I feel as though I am underutilizing my potential if I don't at least give this a chance. She is a really nice girl, but you do what you have to do in this world. I have a couple days to decide, just in case my guilt overcomes me.
eh you never know, it might work. but i think what's more likely is that he'll get you a job in the back office , and if you end up actually getting engaged/knocking up the girl, then at that point he'll be more willing to help you get into something real.
As far as knocking her up goes...
Step 1: Research birth control meds and see which one is most likely to knock her period out of whack Step 2: Start dating her and crush up BC's and give her a clandestine dose every day (mix with her food, swap with a multi-vitamin she takes daily, convince her to take "multi-vitamin" daily Step 3: Make sex tape Step 4: Poke a hole in a condom, act like it busted open, act scared Step 5: She misses her period, she thinks she pregnant Step 6: Get job Step 7: Stop dosing her with BC, she gets period... leggo of my preggo Step 8: Break-up Step 9: Keep sex tape handy in case she wants to get cute with your employment situation and her dads BSD-ness
Problem solved.
All other suggestions pale in comparison to this. Good work Halberstram.
Cheers Halberstram. At least your posts make me laugh.
StocksRus... you are a terrible human and I absolutely love it. Good luck on everything, make sure you keep us all updated to how your plan is going.
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"Let me clarify something. I have a low gpa because I put no effort in to my studies, not because I am certifiably retarded."
Yeah, that's what they all say. I have yet to meet anybody who admitted that the reason they had a low gpa was that they were certifiably retarded.
Yeh your right. The only people that make it in this world are the ones with the highest undergrad gpa's at a target school. The rest are all certifiably retarded. Let me respectfully yield to your greatness.
... who said anything about "making it in this world"? xqtrack was merely talking about having a low gpa.
xqtracks comment ("Yeah, that's what they all say") implied that most if not all people with low gpa's are a result of the person being certifiably retarded and not due to a lack of effort. My comment referred to the significant number of people who have been successful in the world that have had low gpa's throughout undergrad. Therefore proving themselves not to be certifiably retarded.
apparently, in addition to not putting in any effort in school, you also skipped 7th grade reading comprehension (man, maybe that effort actually helps for something?)
i did not imply all people with low gpas are certifiably retarded. Neither did I imply that you were certifiably retarded (although really, I'm beginning to suspect it more and more now).
All I said was that I have yet to meet a person who acknowledged they had a low gpa in something other than engineering for reasons other than their own effort. That is, everybody I've ever met who had a low gpa claims they were smart enough to get a's, but they just had better things to do.
I'm sure there are some people out there who could've had 4.0s but just couldn't be bothered to give a crap. Maybe this was true for you. But it can't be true for everybody.
FYI, there are many people in the world who are successful and are, indeed, dumber than a rock.
I've thought about this predicament you've got yourself in and I think if you do date her, you should be super serious about this and not fuck around on her. Then about 6 months down the road, poke holes in your condoms and knock the slut up. If you're any good at networking, 6 or so months should be sufficient to get her old man on your side, then BAM!, you've got a little bundle of shit and piss filled diapers on the way. He will pretty much at this point have to give you a job. If all else fails, I'm sure Bank of America is hiring tellers...
StocksRUs, while your chosen strategy is different from one that I would have pursued (namely, my friends as well as female companions occasionally tell me that I am too polished and sometimes more restrained/conservative than I should be), I respect your candor. Keep us posted; I look forward to reading the sequel to this saga.
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