Amherst or Wharton

It seems that Wharton is regarded as the best option for an undergrad who is certain on finance. I am set on finance but am having a hard time deciding between Wharton and Amherst College. I understand the liberal arts vs. finance specific education argument, and also understand getting a job out of either place is very plausible. But does the prestige and mentality that Wharton is top tier for finance completely outweigh the situation at amherst? Obviously there are other factors to choosing a college but I'm just asking about the academic/internship/job placement side of it. So I guess the bottom line is.. is Wharton heads above Amherst?

 

yeah , I think right now my goal is to work at a hedge fund. It seems everyone is overwhelmingly Wharton. I don't mean to say that I don't feel confident in Wharton. I'm just trying to see if there is a significant difference that would make it dumb not to go to Wharton.

 

I know they are completely different, and there is much more going into the decision than just the academic side of it, like sports and distance from where I live. Just looking for thoughts on the academic side of things, everyone on here seems to have interesting opinions

 
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I know they are completely different, and there is much more going into the decision than just the academic side of it, like sports and distance from where I live. Just looking for thoughts on the academic side of things, everyone on here seems to have interesting opinions

Sports are a real consideration? Are you a recruited athlete, or planning to walk on or something?

 
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I know they are completely different, and there is much more going into the decision than just the academic side of it, like sports and distance from where I live. Just looking for thoughts on the academic side of things, everyone on here seems to have interesting opinions

The differences on the academic side should be obvious...neither is academically superior, they are just COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

 

It's not like you're looking at Dartmouth, which has the same liberal arts feel but a substantially more powerful alumni network and on-campus recruiting scene. In that case, if you really valued a liberal arts education, you wouldn't be passing up that much. You would lose the chance to recruit at some shops that will only take 1-2 kids from the top of the Wharton class--e.g. Silver Lake--but pretty much everything else would still be open to you. Amherst? You're closing a lot of doors if you go there. That said, you can still end up at a great place, but it may be tougher.

 

You can still take plenty of liberal arts classes at Wharton.

While the recruiting advantage of Wharton is somewhat overrated on these forums - some people seem to think all you need is a 3.5 and BB's will be lining up to interview you - its finance placement is still head and shoulders above Amherst's. Also, Penn probably has a better social scene.

 

For finance, Wharton is the obvious choice. It's certainly true that the top schools are hyped up beyond recognition on these boards; that said, you'll regret not going to Wharton if you're certain about doing finance.

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It depends on a number of factors.

Recruiting. If you're entering college with the sole intent of getting the best job you can out of school, Wharton wins. It isn't exactly what this forum glorifies it as (automatic interviews at any firm you want), but if you do well academically, pursue leadership opportunities, make use of the strong network the school has, and aren't a complete mouth-breathing moron with no social intelligence, you would be hard-pressed to not get a job.

College experience. Do you want to be one of thousands of students, or one of

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If you're sure about Finance, clearly Wharton. Wharton undergrad is considered better than an MBA. You don't ever have to go back to school when done.

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Yeah, I'm not sure it's that powerful. I am evaluating going back for an MBA because in certain paths there is a ceiling that can only be broken with an MBA.

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One of the things that have not been touched upon is that if you choose Wharton or Amherst you still have to be at or near the top of your class. Considering that in mind pick the school you think is the best fit for yourself. Also, realize that it is not where you start that matters but where you end up that matters. I would also suggest choosing whichever school you like, working hard and taking responsibility for that decision.

 

PM if you want to have a more in depth discussion of liberal arts vs Wharton. I went to a top 3 liberal arts college and had friends who went to other more "nationally recognized" schools (and will actually be headed to Wharton for my MBA). I don't think any one I went to college with would've gone somewhere else - its truly an amazing experience.

Do not underestimate the power of the alumni network, I have my current job because of alumni help. Off of the alumni list, I can usually get at least a 50% response rate to cold emails. Most people going into finance end up in investment banking first and there are alums high up in most of the BBs who will pull you through to second round interviews (after that its up to you anywhere). More importantly though, college should be a time where you try to figure out what you want to do. I went in thinking I wanted to be a doctor, realized that wasnt the case after freshman year, ended up majoring in econ, then consulted in Boston for two years and now am in PE. School choice should be about how it will help your career, but also how it will help you explore your own interests.

 

There are some corporate jobs that "require" an MBA: Proctor & Gamble Brand Manager: gotta have one. Senior consultant at McKinsey: gotta have one.

On Wall Street and in finance you don't, and they especially know and recognize that the Wharton undergrad degree in Finance is as good or better than most MBAs and advancing on The Street with a Wharton undergrad degree in finance is purely optional and your personal choice to have flexibility to leave Finance entirely someday.

But if you're sure Finance is your future, you can't argue for an Amherst bachelor's on career grounds. (I have my own opinions on whether a Wharton business degree makes for a "well rounded person" and whether I would want my son to do that, but that wasn't the question.)

 

You're missing the biggest reason why you should choose Wharton: the network. Amherst is an amazing school, don't get me wrong, but when it comes to business, especially finance, I would say that only the HBS network rivals Wharton's. At the junior level of finance Amherst and Wharton may be equal, but as you move up, finance becomes much more relationship-driven. The easiest way to connect with someone is if you have something in common, and if you're a finance grad from Wharton, you have something in common with many people in finance.

 

Wharton. Run those numbers again on basis that Wharton has 500 kids per class. Obviously you have a couple engineers and ECON college kids take some of those spots but all thinks considered Wharton / Penn would provide greater exposure to IBD.

You also have some kids from Penn that are going straight to PE and very very few going straight to HF so I think you'll be exposed to more aspects of finance. Also consider that GS / MS's main competitor for new hires is not JPM or other banks but actually MBB so you have a ton of opportunities there. I think if you bucketed your jobs as top tier jobs whether that be IBD + PE + HF + MBB / Class size, Wharton probably comes out on top.

I actually hate to admit this. I was Penn undergrad but liberal arts. I just saw it first hand and was able to leverage Wharton's network with all the on-campus info sessions / recruiting.

For the record Amherst is a great school and if playing sports is a big deal to you, that's a big decision. Depending on the sport though, I imagine you may be able to walk on or get recruited at Penn.

 

1) You haven't gotten into both yet, so this conversation is pointless.

2) You and every other poster here so far are idiots. Amherst and Wharton/UPenn both offered DRAMATICALLY different college experiences. One is a liberal arts college in a very rural area in MA; the other is in one of the biggest metros in America. One recently banned Greek life; the other has a vibrant - albeit exclusive - Greek life. One is undergraduate focused; the other prides itself on its graduate programs (MBA/law).

The type of students both attract are very different, and you need to take this into consideration. Amherst is a fine school and anyone who says you can't catapult Amherst into high finance and thrive using its small but incredibly close knit alumni network (seriously, LAC alumni will jump in the front lines for fellow students) probably has no idea what they're talking about or are incredibly narrow minded.

The point is to go to a school you think best suits your academic, social, and extracurricular interests. At the end of the day, the kids who are killing it at school are the same ones who kill it in recruiting - there's a very casual relationship there. Visit both schools, do some research, ask yourself some tough questions.

 

I'd go with Amherst, depending on the sport, srs.

Only because your college life at Amherst is going to be AWESOME being an athlete and assuming you'll be able to hold the work load really well. Just know that going in you, you're going to be at a disadvantage recruiting wise, but if you know that day 1... you can mitigate for that with networking and building an impressive financial presence at your university.

Everyone here is going to say Wharton, but that's because they care more about the end than the means. I'd say that you can achieve the same ends, but with a much more enjoyable means to it going with Amherst.

LAC's also have some of the finest, promiscuous women I have ever met.

So my 2 cents.

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Ahem, peasant: P(Acceptance to Wharton and Amherst) = P(Acceptance to Wharton) x P(Acceptance to Amherst | Acceptance to Wharton) = P(Prety low percentage) x P(Pretty High Percentage) = P(Pretty Low Percentage).

Kids these days failing to do conditional probabilities smh

 

I have a 36 on the ACT and am valedictorian so I think I have a decent shot at both since I would be supported by the coaches.. and lol I visited Amherst and I defintely missed seeing the abundance of fine, promiscious women.. However, its actually right down the road from Umass, Mount Holyoke and Smith, so the male: female ratio in the area is literally like 8:1

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