Anyone else hoping Trump will win?
So, Biden is basically a dementia-ridden puppet for the radical left, who are desperate to abolish the police, raise taxes to fund obnoxious socialist programs, and curtail the right to free speech — the one right that makes us all American. Futhermore, not only is the Democratic Party the party of deception, subversion and racism, but its key leaders have also embodied segregation and bureacracy — qualities one would think are reviled by the left. The left's anarcho-communists have been granted now, in the spirit of radical chic, a platform through which they have advocated for the pillage of police departments, courthouses, and other critical utilities; the murder of hardworking police officers intending to help the populations that now are so ferociously assailing them; and worst of all, the ushering in of a new socialist era. Simply put, the Democrats are not fit to run this country. Unless the Trump and the GOP maintain their grip, our country is descending into some turbulent, Chthonic times.
To be frank, I think the world of finance (and the markets at large) will be fine regardless. Not my personal opinion, our lord Kevin O'Leary said this the other day. The fear mongering of Democrats "coming for you" isn't really true. It's not like if Biden wins, they're gonna send in Elizabeth Warren to steal your shit. You're gonna be fine regardless. What's best for finance in my opinion is to have a stable long-term outlook for the economy. I don't think that'll happen till COVID is gone - and Trump doesn't seem to care about COVID as much as he should. The "other" side isn't the "enemy" -- we are all Americans before we are Democrats or Republicans. Fear mongering is not a policy. Have you thought about what Trump's second term agenda is? Right, he doesn't have one...
Well said
"here here"? rofl - did you decide to state your location or is this roll call
lol - its 'hear hear'
Couldn't have said it better myself.
warren and bernie are proposing a wealth tax that goes after net worth, not just income...that is literally them coming to take your shit
joe already promised to be the most "progressive" candidate and is working with bernie
Obama was thought of as a progressive too, look how that panned out. At the end of the day, the minimal change that Biden will achieve will mostly mean nothing. He won't set timelines that are nowhere near as near as the ones Bernie/Warren would set. I remember when Kamala Harris said she wanted to get medicate for all done by 2030. Is that radical change? Cause to me that's you saying "I want to get X done by a time when I don't even be in office".
Also, even if they could possibly pass a wealth tax (which they can't), they definitely aren't going after stackinracks's pathetic pile of stuff. They're going after the extremely wealthy.
Lol like the 2017 Republican tax law that capped state and local tax deductions at $10,000 for federal tax returns? Point here is that republicans raise taxes too. In this case for wealthy homeowners in CA, NY, and NJ. Google the SALT tax
I am a Trump supporter not because of his personality, but simply because of policies. This is binary - there is no "3rd way" here. For all of Trump's clear faults which I will not dispute, he gives me about 80-90% of major policy initiatives that I believe in. Joe gives me virtually none. It is that simple for me.
Joe WAS repeat WAS a moderate for most of his career. He has since walked back, reversed on virtually every major position he has taken. Many commentators have said that he is just posturing, and he will flip back. The huge difference is that the democratic party writ large has shifted left dramatically, and the people who will fill roles throughout the government will be MUCH more leftist than during the Obama era.
That means massive undoing of the significant and highly pro-business deregulation that Trump as promoted, the end of our energy dominance and worse, continuing the absurd narrative that the US has somehow gone through a time warp to Missisippi of 1956 in terms of racial equality. See NYTs "1619" insanity - this will soon be part of History Text books in public schools.
This administration will not be kind to high income earners....Wall Street in particular. There is a reason that Obama/Biden presided over the slowest recovery in post-War history. Progressives are disasterous when it comes to the economy. Bill Clinton was great once he dropped his progressive ideas and got the economy roaring.
Buckle up - it ain't gonna be pretty.
You could have saved yourself a lot of time and just came out and said it - you would prefer to live in a state with no taxes, in which lower income citizens lived and died like animals, as long as you can keep an extra dime in your pocket.
Moreover, conservative deregulation almost inevitably leads to an economic crash, which liberal Presidents and legislatures then need to spend years fixing and building back from. The two major economic crises of the last fifty years were the savings and loan crash and the Great Recession. Both of those were directly the fault of Republican policy making and fiscal initiatives. The third, stagflation in the 70s, was also in large part attributable to Nixon's imposition of price controls in 1971, though I'm inclined to give him a pass on that since it was part and parcel of de-linking from the gold standard.
So again, why are Democrats so bad for the economy? Republican administration is good for the wealthy, not at stimulating economic growth. There is a massive difference. Though since most people posting on these boards are wealthy (comparatively speaking) or expect to be wealthy soon, there is a massive conflation of what's good personally and what's actually "good".
Trump doesn't have a second term agenda....according to your own logic, that's fine. Nothing will change.
Either stick with your thesis that it doesn't matter who wins or just say that you're pulling for Biden.
Also, I don't think anyone believes that overnight this country will fall apart. It will be slowly whittled away administration after administration. I'm not so concerned about the next four years....that's very short-sighted. True nothing much will change. I'm concerned what the next 30 years look like.
The complacency of the ruling class in one post.
Reality in the other:
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/china-u-s-worlds-trading-partner/
It's actually really bad that you can afford not to care about the general direction of things, because they are moving in a direction that is not good for you, but slowly enough that you don't notice.
Very spot on.
Well said. I'm not particularly excited for Biden/Harris but I'm sure as hell more comfortable with those two than fucking 4 more years of Trump/Pence and all the evil shit they've caused. That Administration has been nothing but incompetent since entering the office in 2016 and they've only gotten worse.
Neither Biden nor Trump have any clear platform at all. I honestly don't think much will change regardless of who wins. All I know is, this COVID pandemic will be over on November 4th, and for that I am grateful.
I'd say that Biden has a clearer platform than Trump. To the extent that any of that will get done... that's another story.
Have you ever even visited Biden's website? It's filled with rigorous and detailed policy stances.
Gotta stop watching Fox News man.
Even Trump is recommending this these days...
All the polls are tightening up and we haven't even had a chance to see Biden's dementia brain debate yet.
At least he can drink water and walk up a ramp.
That's because the democratic party strategy for Biden is to say and do as little as possible pre-election and post election.
Right... because it's not like Trump's America isn't roiled by protests. Not like Trump's America doesn't literally involve unidentifiable federal agents making completely illegal arrests, not like Trump's America isn't allowing deadly viruses to spread in the hopes that it will infect and kill political opponents. I mean, imagine how much worse it could be! You're taxes could be 5% higher! The horror!!!
I can't understand Trump supporters who point to footage of the protests / riots across the country and say, "This is what a Joe Biden presidency would look like." MFer this is from Trump's America LMFAO.
Lmao Trump's America. "We can't commit riots/criminal acts with impunity, this is really Trump's America"
The reason they say that is because its literally only happening in democrat run cities...
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You're correct. Violence from the Left will continue until they get what they want. I'm actually a little scared to see Trump win. There will probably be violence and a temper tantrum on an unprecendent scale to protest such a democratically decided outcome.
If you want less violence but worse policies, definitely get Biden into office asap.
Lol. You forgot Trump's shameless favoritism. Guy literally criticizes anyone that criticizes him or looks better than him. Dude is a terrible leadership figure.
If the US didn't have the checks and balances working, Trump would've been a dictator.
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yes. Tax rates are king for me. Trump 2020
Comrade, that must be some strong stuff you're smoking. Biden nailed his speech last night and trump is slurring words virtually every time he speaks. trump has demonstrated his incompetance this year in a disasterous way.
Not really, Biden had that pre-recorded. It's not hard to appear sem-competent when the DNC 2020 Broadcast lacks the pageantry of a live audience and most of the event looked like a dated youtube vid. Additionally the first and second days of DNC 2020 were down 25% and 48% from 2016. The DNC's message is not working and Biden is going to get bullied in a debate.
I mean, this pretty much sums up Republican politics in 2020, doesn't it? Not "Biden doesn't have any policy positions to advocate for/defend." Not, "Trump is going to run circles around Biden in a debate." Just "Trump is going to bully Biden." No policy. No civility. No thought that what matters in electing a President (or anyone) is soundness of judgement, moral character, intelligence, or clear vision for legislative achievements. Just "my guy will give your guy a wedgie, so lets elect him."
Fits in pretty nicely with the average intelligence and ethical values of most conservatives. Just a bunch of idiots looking for a boot to lick, and be thankful for the privilege.
BIG RATINGS FOLKS.
Even if we continue confusing Joe Biden's well-documented stutter with an actual mental impairment, it seems like Trump's interests aren't actually aligned with the well-being of the country. I'm sure some professionals in public markets my love that Trump increases volatility and creates more opportunities for mis-pricing, but anyone who has to close deals must be frightened of that same uncertainty over another four years.
In what world does someone stutter and say "I love kids jumping up and down on my lap"
Biden or Trump, I don't really care.
What's certain is that I don't like Kamala, she's too far on the left for comfort......and way too close to actually becoming the president.
If Biden ran with literally anyone else, I might've considered it. Fiscal policy is of utmost importance to me. Probably more so than anything else, which is why I'm considering DJT.
This. All Biden had to do to secure a win was to find a left of center VP with policies similar to him. Even his advisors kept pushing for him to not go with Kamala or any far left types. Yet in his old age he made a stupid pick that could cost him the presidency. To me his bowing down to the socialists/Marxists of the party really highlights his old age decline. Was actually considering Biden earlier on but now it’s Trump all the way.
You may not like Kamala but it is only your opinion that it was a stupid choice. Many others feel differently. And that is okay, not everyone has to have the same opinion. Nearly nine out of 10 Democrats approve of Kamala Harris as their party’s vice presidential nominee, and she is more popular than presidential candidate Joe Biden among women, young voters and some Republicans (turns out "tough on crime" prosecutor is not a bad word for people in the suburbs who are not in a twitter bubble), according to a@Reuters /Ipsos poll.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-harris-poll-exclusive/exclusive-harris-could-help-biden-with-women-young-voters-maybe-some-republicans-too-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKCN25901M?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=twitter
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kamala-harris-receives-strong-marks-joe-bidens-vp/story?id=72338996&cid=social_twitter_abcnp
Since when was Kamala too far left? Biden stayed clear of Warren to avoid being too "far left".
People need to look up what "Socialism" and "Marxism" actually mean before they label someone. It's like calling Trump a Fascist.
It's genuinely frightening how many Americans genuinely think Joe Biden is a "communist"
I didn’t call Kamala socialist. I was referring to Biden giving ground to Warren and Sanders (he even considered them both as VP candidates) and AOC.
What is your issue with her Fiscal policy? U.S. debt has increased $5 trillion under Trump so he's not who I'd point to as "managing money well" (also see the numerous failed businesses he's had despite his enormous head start).
The Dems are not going to steal your money and we'd finally have someone half sane representing us on the world stage. The biggest problem I have with Trump is that he has unilateral control over U.S. nuclear weapons, likely can't comprehend the consequences of using those weapons, and won't listen to experienced military leaders.
The Dems may be the biggest wimps on the block, but they're going to at least be reasonable leaders.
I want Trump to win because I'm a nationalist who wants to see the neoliberal order destroyed. Trump isn't really the best guy to do this, but he's better than Biden. Every second spent discrediting institutions such as the media, intelligence agencies, academia, and entertainment are wins in my book.
Hey I'm actually really curious, but why are you hell-bent on wanting to dismantle the neoliberal order and globalism? I always found it fascinating running into people working in finance who say they are against neoliberalism when it's just another term for economic liberalism/free-market thinking. Are you genuinely against capitalism and free markets or are you basing your political alignment on some different, esoteric definition of neoliberalism?
But if you're for breaking down institutional capacity, you might literally be a fascist, in which case your stance against neoliberalism does make sense.
Edit: The above post is clearly referring to the classic definition of neoliberalism, and not the newer blanket term for the left. You don't call the left the "neoliberal order" - this phrase is pretty much exclusively used in an economic context.
Most people don't know wtf they are talking about.
They like to throw around terms like "Neo-liberalism", "Socialism", "Marxism", and "Fascism", but if you ask them what they mean, they can't answer. Why? Because they don't know jack shit.
Globalism: doing business with Fascist China (CCP) and Iran
Leftism: see Portland, see Kenosha, see the US university system
The Train: vulgar celebrityism that governs from the mainstream left of center aka Trump
I've never considered myself a nationalist, Id love to say I'm an Adam Smith Liberal as you describe. But If Trump admin is gonna get hard on Xi, anyone that recognizes the threat the CCP poses to the world is jumping on The Train. BTW, Hong Kongers fly US flags because they recognize that "America First" is their alternative to Davos.
HYP boys, get unbrainwashed. I thought your Chairman of Chemistry getting arrested for being a Chinese spy was enough to get you on The Train.
yet you work in mergers and acquisitions? lmfaooo
No chance. I was hard red until 2016. I’d take Mitt Romney in a heartbeat, but Trump is uniquely unqualified to be president and, as far as I can tell, has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. It’s crazy how many people I know who considered him a laughingstock in 2014 but rode his dick in 2016. FWIW, I’m still active in local YR, so I’m not a leftist by any means. In times of crisis, we need a leader, not an insecure man-child
Biden’s old, no doubt about it, but he’s at least as coherent at his current age as Trump’s ever been. I’m going to swallow my pride again... hopefully after this whole shitshow is over the Republicans can get their act together and keep my taxes low with a modicum of self respect
Respect your open-mindedness
I mean, as a non-American I really don't understand why people always choose their side and vote republican/democrat no matter the candidates or policies. It's a very black and white view of the world. In this case Biden is by far the better candidate. You guys don't realise how America looks right now to the whole world? Everything Trump does and is allowed to do is embarrassing
This. I’m a Republican, but have never supported Trump winning the office (although, I also wasn’t a fan of Hilary). I don’t mind Biden, but he’s definitely not a preference. He’ll be far better for our country than another four years of Trump. The ideal situation would be to elect Biden for one term to right Trumps wrongs. This will also give the Republican Party some time to get their shit together and find a decent candidate for 2024.
If Biden is capable of undoing all of Trumps wrongs, why not just give him another term in 2024.
This also doubles the deadline for the GOP to find their Ace in the hole
This.
This a 1000 times.
On a similar note, I absolutely FDR's unchecked expansion of the US government that now haunts us. If I were living in that era, I would have been a strong critic of FDR. But I would've voted for him because he probably would have been the only option to lead the US successfully through WW2.
This. Mitt Romney just ran 4 years too early...
McCain too. Would have loved to see a McCain v. Trump showdown in 2016. And if politics fail, put them in the Octagon and let McCain wipe the floor with that pussyboy draft dodger. "Grab 'em by this motherf$#er."
You lost me at "coherent at his current age". Biden has blatant signs of dementia.
From a European perspective, I just don't understand how some Americans say Biden is somehow related with far left in Dems or actually one of them.They really have no idea what it is it seems. Republicans with Trump went just crazy for the last a few years (which hurts US interests a lot as well I think.) nothing like Bush era Republican Party which was much better. I think it’s clear that Biden presidency would not be very different from Obama era in terms of its direction. People say Trump is great for the economy. Well maybe for the short run but if you mess up the US democracy, institutions, social issues and many more, in the long run the economy will also be negatively impacted. I understand the previous election (Hillary was the worst ever) But I would be very shocked if Trump gets reelected in November.
I do like Trump and would vote for him but not for the reasons you listed.
What could you possibly like?
Trump for tax purposes. In an insanely blue state anyways...
I wish we had the option to vote for a more moderate Republican
Bill Weld? lol. Personally, I'd wish we'd give more support to Rand Paul, incredibly underrated politician today...
Trump in a landslide 2020.
The court is already stacked for the conservatives for years to come. This isn't a year where republicans need the president for the SC and tbh I doubt most republicans would even want a 6 conservative justice court, I'd imagine they'd have some very unpopular regressive opinions.
Why do you want a conservative SC Justice?
Talking about politics?
***snore***
https://outline.com/kdfTdh, Larry Hogan- a GOP Governor's (so little to no bias there and his state has been doing okay, so he is not looking to shift any blame) criticism of Trump administration in handling of the pandemic. Of course, it is ridiculous for any one person to be responsible for more than 170K deaths, but can the administration and leadership in DC take some responsibility, just a little bit? Is that too much to ask for?
Who let Sean Hannity have a WSO account?
Biden has a comprehensive plan for his presidency. Trump absolutely does not. His ego is enough for him and his stupid stans. I am utterly sick and tired of his personal-agenda; firing officials to keep himself safe, downplaying the severity of the virus and forcing places to open to dress-up the economy for November. Hopefully, Biden wins and the Republicans can nominate a qualified candidate in 2024.
Conversely, I am very scared of how close Kamala Harris is to presidency. Way, way, way too far left for me.
If you actually believe this crap, you're a goddamn moron.
You’ve lost your damn mind, bud. Do you think it’s even remotely acceptable for the president of the United States to announce that he will bomb 52 cultural sites of another country? Do you think it’s acceptable for the President to tweet on the hour like an internet troll regarding voter suppression, boycotting businesses who do not agree with his jacked up policies or political views? Do you think it’s ok for the president to initially ignore and politicize the most serious threat to public health in the last century? To bash anyone and everyone and leave you with no ability to discern truth from fiction? This guy is truly dangerous to the republic and may not leave willingly and you think this shit is a game? This is third world dictator strongman tactics. Go read a fucking book.
If there is one thing I have learnt from growing up poor and now working in finance is that the rich will always find a way to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat regardless of who is president, while in contrast, the poor will always find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory no matter who is president.
The people I know who are successful have been successful throughout the Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump administration.
The people I know from high school who are still poor today continually blame Trump yet they were poor during the Obama presidency as well. Unfortunately, reality is that the poor continually find ways to be overly emotional about things. Hence, they will lose regardless of who is president.
If you are a loser in a capitalist country, then you will probably be an even bigger loser in a socialist country. The grass is not greener on the other side.
These people can move to Sweden or Denmark but will still be poor and useless despite the welfare and socialized heathcare.
This. The only thing successful people need to guard against is catastrophe. We're significantly more likely to have major problems with Trump than with Biden. That's all you really need to know.
The “billionaire” who hides his tax returns.
The “genius” who hides his college grades.
The “businessman” who bankrupted 3 casinos and lost over $1B in 10 years.
The “playboy” who pays for sex.
The “Christian” who doesn’t go to church.
The “philanthropist” who defrauds charity.
The “patriot” who dodged the draft. And attacks dead Veterans and their widows.
The "president" who supports protesting, then gases and attacks innocent protesters.
The “innocent man” who refuses to testify.
The "honest" president, who insults the constitution, with republican senators who support his every action!
If you're a conservative, you should be ashamed of your president.
I'm ashamed of the Republican Party in general. Moreover, I'm ashamed of all the politicians in Washington.
Democrats aren't far away from having their own Trump...
“Innocent protesters” ....lol.
The vast majority of the protest have been peaceful. there are some People that are not peaceful at some of the events. If you don’t like protests, I have some bad news for you about free speech, the founding of the United States, and basic civil liberties. I’m more than happy to recommend totalitarian regimes where you can go live however.
My 92 y/o granduncle with dementia is more coherent than Trump.
But besides that, how can anyone look at/listen to Trump, an think "yup, that's my guy" ?
I can understand if you're 13 years old and enjoy him for the edgy laughs, suffer from borderline retardation, or just happen to be in the 0.01% that might benefit from one of his policies...but other than that, there are no excuses. He's the polar opposite of everything America stands for.
DELETE ......
Had a dream Gary Cohn beat Biden in November lol.
The reality is Gary Cohn has already won this one regardless.
OP, you need to read a little deeper into things, you seem utterly clueless about what's actually going on.
I have a feeling 2024 will be a wild one whatever happens. Huge charisma void after Trump on the Republican side and on the Dems the charisma void is already clearly here (which is why they rolled out way way past his prime Biden). Seems unlikely much good will come out of the next 4 years regardless of who wins, expect more and more protests and a lot of extreme candidates in 2024 (on a spectrum from Tom Cotton to AOC basically).
I wouldn't discount the far right or left in the coming years. Stuff is very clearly falling apart in the US right now and corporate grift and lobbying has gone full short-term greedy. It's all becoming way too obvious for there not to be an impeding reaction.
Trump 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032.......
I wish Biden win the presidency, and Republicans keep the senate. If better, Republicans win the house as well.
Honestly, Biden is the most moderate Democratic candidate, his VP pick, not a good choice for me (Still far left), but not so bad compare to Warren and Abrams. I wished he could choose Klubuchar over Harris. What I am worried about Biden is his health status, if VP has to step up, then it is disastrous. Biden is not the problem, Far-left dems are. NYC shooting cases doubled in June and they want to defund NYPD. That's why I don't want a sweep.
The problems Trump has are incompetent, dishonesty, and shortsighted. All these problems are shown during this pandemic and the trade dispute with others (with his allies). He is not the right president for 2020, but he was right for 2016. Maybe he is a part of the reasons for current politics unrested. However, political unrest and scenario (policy, political-correctness) during Obama's term was the reason why he was elected. But anyway, Trump changes the GOP, GOP needs to figure out what they want, what is their agenda, and who should be the next presidential candidate. For the long term, I hope Paul Ryan steps up and competes with Mike Pompeo.
American politics started to polarize since Obama's term. Both parties want to impress their own based and don't give a shit about the people in between. So gov lacks stable, continuously, long-term strategic and pragmatic policies to fix its problem. The policies swing too much. I think we really need a public debate about police, race inequality, education, immigration and other social issues. Maybe I am too ideal, but I think that is the right thing to do.
You guys don't seem to care about anyone except yourselves. Immigrants, African Africans, people affected by the pandemic because of that baffoon's lack of leadership. Fuck you, trump supporters. You DO deserve trump. 4 years and I thought you all would've learnt a lesson
doesnt joe wanna increase long term cap gains tax to normal income rate? everything else aside, i'm not gonna support someone who makes it harder for me to buy a house or something worth liquidating my portfolio for
At least as long as I have been paying attention to politics, there have never been so many prominent democrats in finance. Both Bain Cap and Wellington donated like 98% to Democrats last cycle, and if you looked at Pete B.s bundlers list it was all either tech or hedgefunds/PE funds.
A lot of big firms with institutional clients do not like populists because they are unpredictable and stoke uncertainty, which can fuck with their mandates or even their client relationships as a whole, and Joe Biden is a hell of a lot more predictable than Trump.
Note: When I talk about company donating x money I mean their employees. Companies can't donate money to campaigns.
Well, yeah. Most finance professionals are the coastal elite Trump so firmly hates and were negatively impacted by the tax plan due to high state taxes.
All these limousine liberals commenting is hilarious. Biden has been in politics for 50 years and he has done nothing, you think that is going to change automatically in his dementia-state? Kamala will be handler and will quickly be running the show. Go walk around these cities and see what a Kamala presidency would bring - drugs, crime, homelessness, violence, marxist ideals - but more importantly, taxes on all your assets. The wealthy will move all of there stuff offshore, mark my words.
This is a really embarrassing thing for you to write, given that you seem to go to UChicago based on your comments on other threads. Your critical thinking skills are pretty pathetic if you're unironically saying things like, "not only is the Democratic Party the party of deception, subversion, and racism."
It's impressive that you manage to jerk yourself off with your unnecessary verbosity ("granted now, in the spirit of radical chic" lmfao) despite writing one of the stupidest paragraphs I have had the displeasure of reading. Get a grip bud.
You can insult Biden's mental health and not talk about Trumps? Maybe you have issues too. I cannot think of anything worse for this country than four more years of DJT. Glad to see you bought into the fear-mongering that has been going around. There is a word for people like you.
nah dude. I need Biden to win, given that I am an international student (you know what I mean lmao).
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