Are Asian men undesirable?
Are they really at the bottom of the dating ladder, being seen as undateable? If so, why? Are they better off moving out of the country for relationship prospects?
Are they really at the bottom of the dating ladder, being seen as undateable? If so, why? Are they better off moving out of the country for relationship prospects?
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I've got a front row seat to this thread
I wanted to say something snarky but it's just too easy.
Not sure if serious thread...
No way this is a serious thread.
Not sure if serious thread and if serious, you have to be more specific. Are you talking about Asian men trying to date other ethnic groups? Clarify.
@frostfire93 Even if this is a serious thread are you expecting a community of (mostly) men tell you what women want?
Lots of different kinds of 'asian men', no? It's funny seeing how racist asian ppl are (I'm married to one). She always says there are certain kinds she would never have dated, and others that she'd leave me for in a heartbeat... needless to say I don't let her have many Japanese or Korean guy friends.
Honestly, you may find better answers on reddit or any one of the millions of women-centric blogs
Have you ever heard of NOWAG?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NOWAG
I had to look it up as well. No idea how people even think of such terms.
NOWAG: NO ONE WITH ASIAN GUYS??? What an awkward idiomatic expression. Maybe said Asian guys would have had better luck with the ladies if their command of the English language hadn't been so terrible.
Also as a matter of fact, in NYC and the SF Bay Area there are plenty of Asian men in relationships with women of Caucasian and other ethnic groups. Such pairings are hardly a rarity these days.
I mean what exactly are you going to do with any answers for or against?
Great question!
this brings up an interesting debate: who is truly the most undesirable to women? may have Andy create a poll:
asian men (I'm assuming we're talking orient, no exotic indonesians or faux-Asians from Lebanon or something)
vertically challenged persons (trying to keep this PC guys)
fat pale guys who play DND and still live with mom
jersey shore types (steroids, spray tan, overall disregard for sleeves and social norms)
Don Imus
guys who post threads like this
sorry bro, get your confidence up, your circumstances are all perception. sure people are racist and will gravitate towards certain races depending on preference, but seriously, move out of the country?
This is probably because I live on Long Island but somehow these morons usually get hot girls.
Saw this related video a while back:
'still not sure what you are gonna do with this info
Inter racial and ethnic dating is still an exception, not the norm. So is this question are Asian men attractive to non Asian women or do Asian women want Asian guys over white guys? Considering how many people are in the Asian countries I think it's safe to say Asian chick's are banging Asian dudes.
Disclaimer: When talking about the different races of men, I'm talking about the average guy, not the exceptions like the super alpha male or the extremely shy guy.
I'm talking about how other races of women in the US perceive East Asian/SEA men. Are they at a disadvantage simply by virtue of their race?
Nothing much, I guess. I just wanted to know if other people sees things the same way that I do. Does anyone notice how there is so much discussion about Asian women but their male counterparts are largely ignored? Does the yellow fever goes only in one direction?
I am asking both, but in the US, not Asian countries: Are Asian men attractive to non Asian women? Do the most attractive Asian women tend to date within their own race or do they prefer white guys so the Asian men get the 'leftovers'. Is there a huge disparity between, say, Asian women-White men and Asian men-White women pairings?
It's very difficult to be confident when your entire race has been emasculated and portrayed to be hideous in the media growing up.
Yup. The most attractive Asian-American women definitely prefer white guys. It's not even close. The U.S. media's emasculation and dehumanization of Asian men is utterly disgusting, and it has a major impact on their prospects for interracial dating.
As an Asian-American dude who has no trouble meeting and getting laid outside of my ethnicity - you and @"mbavsmfin"'s sentiments are complete horseshit.
You have two choices: 1) perpetuate the stereotype of Asian men 2) man the fuck up (in the literal and figurative senses), and you will have plenty of women to choose from
And if the media has such a negative effect on you, maybe you should stop watching tv/movies (or just quit being a pussy) & watch this every day:
//www.youtube.com/embed/_Gqwi7Y96sk
tl,dr: Your being undesirable has jack shit to do with you being Asian.
/end thread
It's impossible to say, but according to this survey done by one of those online dating sites, the statistics they used show that Asian males were least desirable. YMMV
NOWAG ... YMMW ... Whats with the freaking acronyms, guys??? or should i say WWTFAG??
I'm a white guy with an Asian g/f. She said she's not attracted to Asian guys (her ex was Asian) ... anymore.
I read this three ways ...
...either way I'm getting an Asian man's leftovers (tasty).
Not too surprised by this at all. Asian women in the U.S. prefer white men over Asians by a rather large margin.
What you said is partially true, but if you look at the statistics you'll see that the UN does not approve of such measures. At a first glance it may seem like the right answer but I feel like it's still wrong to choose the woman white.
all about dat weeabo
https://www.google.com/search?q=male+k-pop+star&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa…
What variety of Asian women are we talking about here? There's a HUGE difference from the Far East to the Middle East.....
if you haven't experienced the fertile crescent, you're missing out. Mediterraneans are some of the most beautiful people in the world.
I was talking about East Asian women exclusively. Middle Eastern and Indian women tend to stick with men of their ethnic background. According to studies of dating preferences here in the U.S., East Asian women are the only group of women who prefer men outside of their ethnic group.
That's unequivocally wrong
I personally love Asian men. My roommate is from Taiwan and he knows how to make me happy.
According to WSO folklore, only if the Asian men are wearing HBS fleeces.
Yeah, Asian men are probably undesirable. Seeing as there are barely any east Asian people in the world, it's safe to say that no Asian men are getting laid, with other Asians or otherwise.
Or maybe the OP just has a deformed face and works as a janitor.
How about women from Ecuador? Yay or nay?
Asian chicks are hot.
Most of the gay guys I know love Asian men.
Out of curiosity OP, where would you go if you found out Asian men are undesirable in the US (assuming that's where you are)? To China, a place where because of factors like the one child policy and a preference for male children, guys are facing a real shortage of dateable/available women?
I know a guy with a very specific type - half black, half asian girls. Irrelevant, but interesting so I thought I'd mention it.
All my Asian guy friends are pretty cool so they bang chics of all races and have the pick of Asian chics... being cool (however u define that) gets u laid, being lame (no matter the race) gets u nothing, problem is lame Asian dudes vastly outnumber cool ones (who tend to be viet/ Filipinos). Yes I know making vast generalizations here.
Lots of opinions here...
@OP the line I have quoted above should be your takeaway from this. Period.
I'm gonna agree with @"MBA_Junkie" here. I was on a uni cruise a few months ago in sydney, Those of us that were up dancing and having a good time, didn't have any trouble with girls regardless of race, however the guys is ill-fitting suits sitting down being socially awkward probably had a shit night... Unfortunately for asian males, the awkward group was about 95% asian males and that just enforces the stereotype which can subconsciously influence people
Asian men are pretty undesirable. Its the way we have been portrayed through Hollywood. While Asian women have been portrayed as exotic and such. Look at the porn industry its dominated by white males and you see very few Asian men while you see a decent amount of Asian women.
I think women have an easier time dating out of their race compared to men.
(it is SFW)
Regarding east Asian women's desire for Caucasian males, it probably has something to do with their culture's desire for whiter skin for themselves. Skin whitening in Japan is actually a thing and it's popular, and there's even plastic surgery to round the eyes out. I couldn't tell you the cultural reason behind it (Hollywood, post War occupation and daddy/Stockholm mix? No idea) but it's something ingrained in a decent amount of cultures there. I don't see it in Chinese women as often but that could just be me. And I don't understand it because although I'm married to a white women I find east Asian women extremely attractive.
And I'm shocked no one has just outright said it yet, but the underlying reason there aren't Asian male pornstars is because Tommy Vu ain't no John Holmes.
The skin is only a part of the equation. The U.S. media has portrayed Asian men in the most unflattering light imaginable. They are portrayed as one-dimensional freaks and geeks who look like William Hung, have terrible accents, effeminate, etc. The Asian-American girls who grow up here are inundated with these images while of course white men are glorified as the embodiment of masculine aesthetic perfection. People have said that there's nothing "racist" with someone not finding members of certain ethnic groups attractive, that it's simply a biological impulse, no different than gay men not being able to help their attraction to men. I think that is a deeply flawed analogy and totally off base. I think racial attraction is inextricably linked to a host of cultural, social, and psychological factors.
Who cares Mr. Campbell... who cares?
The desire for skin whitening in many parts of Asia (East Asia, SE Asia, India) is not about looking like white people or being attracted to them. It's old cultural bias against looking like you work in the fields in the sun. European culture has had the same bias eg "fair maiden" = white, alabaster skinned = has been kept indoors, doesn't work, is of the gentle, moneyed folk.
Long fingernails, stupid heels that aren't practical to do work in and other common female fashions are part of the same cultural semiotics, even if we've largely forgotten why we value them.
Eye rounding - probably more general aesthetics than trying to look Western. You might as well say any person who dies their hair black wants to look Asian or anyone getting a tan wants to look African.
@mbavsmfin's view on the source of Asian girl bias against Asian males is more in line with my view.
Good points. I honestly don't think much about Asian cultural stereotypes and biases in the west. On the flip side of the effeminate, goofy stereotype there's also the badass black belt Triad portrayal. In the 80's there was the hard ass Japanese executive, now the scary Chinese businessman.
if race is considered to be a problem in dating girls, the problem is not race at all...
Rofl dude if u find it difficult to be confident because of media portrayals then you're most likely just lame...
To be fair though, there's a 95% chance they're one and the same. Brady, girls just want to laugh and have fun. Literally every guy has access to doing that much. Stop over thinking shit and blaming the media.
//www.youtube.com/embed/PIb6AZdTr-A?feature=player_detailpage
And the Goonies R Good Enough!
I feel bad for dudes who lack confidence, seriously. I'm a jobless graduate livin with the 'rents and I probably slay more in a month than mbavsmfin with his fancy school and job does in a year... CONFIDENCE IS EVERYTHING (just look at Kevin Federline)
Ethnic arbitrage my white bros. You can find a hot assn foreign girl and a work ethic and an engineering degree. American chick's you either get hot and dumb or smart and ugly. Very few in between.
Indian, Asian, middle eastern, all place a high value on education. You find the princess syndrome way less in these cultures. Plus their culture just bakes in this white dude advantage. Fucking skin whitening is rampant. Thank you British Empire Haha.
In all seriousness though, I think Asian dudes do just fine. If anything it is all a complex instead of reality.
Yeah, some Asian guys are nerdy but nothing is worse than the the self-loathing Asian male.
Basically, girls prefer masculine, classy and rich guys. Most Asian men I know are not. The only Asian guy I like is Kimura Takuya, but that's because he looks like a woman. Source: someone who only slept with white guys.
A lot of guys on WSO sure have an Asian girl fetish. OP, to answer your question, the disparity between White Men-Asian Women and Asian Men-White Women pairings is being reduced. And the vast majority of attractive (by society's standards) Asian women will stick to dating within their own race, especially along the coasts where there is a significant Asian population and people there are more comfortable in their own skin. It's nature before nurture, most people will find good-looking members of their own race the most attractive. Or maybe White men and Asian men have different tastes when it comes to Asian women. There is an element of truth to the stereotypes behind the White Men-Asian women relationships. Many(not all) Asian women in this relationship are obsessed with White Men in a dysfunctional rather than healthy way. They are self-hating, they somehow feel rejected from Asian society and they have a sort of hatred for Asian men rather than a true like for White men. I have had friends dating them and have dated 2 of them myself. They repeatedly told me how much they hate Asian men and like White men the most. That's an instant turn-off. I'm probably going to get a lot of shit for this, but for most of these relationships, at least one partner is unattractive. Many White men either have yellow fever, or they settle for the Asian women when they can't get a good White women.
Personally, I don't find Asian women attractive. They are short, and they have no chest and no ass. The average Asian women may be close to the average White women in terms of looks, but the standard deviation for White women is much higher. There will be a lot of obese chicks which bring the average down (due to the diet), but I'll take the most beautiful White women over the most beautiful Asian women any day. There is a reason why most actresses and models are White, whereas the Asian representatives are the likes of Lucy Liu and Sandra Oh. Latina chicks are hot too...
Yes they are at the bottom, shorter, less masculine, small tools etc good luck scoring a beyonce being asian
op all your baes belong to me lmao
The question you should be asking is does it matter?
If you can't change it there's no point in mulling about it. You'll only psych yourself out.
http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg01132004/Casper-29.jpg
Don't knock Starcraft. It is the national sport of South Korea and features among its most accomplished professional players such stunning female fatale as this young lady:
http://sc2.gameguyz.com/sites/default/files/images/20130605061032.jpg
You do know that she's transgender, right? If that's your thing, more power to ya.
http://www.avclub.com/article/how-a-transgender-foreign-hope-is-challen…
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Depends (NO RACIAL) if you mean Asian as in "far east" or India-ish. Forget the PC, you know what I mean.
In which case, yes, probably. But you can always change your own specific circumstances. I mean, I know a short Asian (from Malaysia) bro who frequently gets with hot girls - white, black, etc. Average looks, below average height, but he's got good game/confidence.
I dont think the issue is with ethnicity, but culture. Asian cultures are strick, with a lot of parental control and influence. You do an your told, etc. Having this mentality is tough when you need to hit on women, spit game, etc. In the US, being assertive and independent is encouraged. Skills that you need when seeking a partner. So a Chinese kid raised in the US might do much better than one raised in China.
I've seen a lot of FOB's struggle when it comes to hunting. It just depends on what you're used to. I've been to countries where I night as well stay home and play statecraft because aggression really isn't really going to get you anywhere.
Hit. Nail. Head.
They're usually quiet and obedient. So to get hot girls in their own places is easy as similar, but if they come here then shy or not, she'll be attracted to a white boy with confidence.
I'm still confused. There is a transvestite game player that people are finding attractive? Chick looked like a man when I first saw her. I suppose I should be relieved to find out she is in fact a dude.
This thread is so confusing.
I just Google this man chick. Who on earth is calling herhim good looking?!
I tried to give brandon st randy the benefit of the doubt and thought, "well i'm sure he doesn't know she's transgender." But his insistence that he/she is attractive is downright frightening. He then tries to turn the tables on me by spouting some nonsense.
Man, I'm pretty damm confident that brandon st randy is a short geeky East Asian FOB who wears thick glasses and speaks with a thick accent. Nothing else can explain this.
Some of you guys really need to be more open-minded and get on with the program. Even the supreme court has affirmed gender equality. Homophobia will not get you far in this day and age.
"Man, I'm pretty damm confident that brandon st randy is a short geeky East Asian FOB who wears thick glasses and speaks with a thick accent." Looks like you just described yourself. I am not the one bitching on the internet all day about not being to get laid and blaming others/society/the media for your own inadequacy.
I think that the ultimate and final conclusion from this discussion is that east Asian males have no chance with white US women unless they were raised in the US to be cocky Americans who can throw game. It may be because of their native culture, media portrayal, their height or those shifty eyes, but a transgender gaming geek lights the fire in some people's groins.
Thank you. /thread
Holy shit! She's a transgender? But we shouldn't be too quick to judge Brandon. Many people have weird fetishes. I mean some people like chubby chicks, some like anorexic chicks. Not to mention, many people here have an asian girl fetish, which makes absolutely no sense to me. I mean, who would want to date someone with the body of a prepubescent boy?
Let's put this thread to rest. In conclusion, American born Asians have no problems getting women, no matter what race. FOB Asians, on the other hand, are at a disadvantage if they don't adapt and integrate into American culture. But they can pair up with FOB Asian women, who generally don't like guys outside their race unless they are too unattractive and want to marry up for 'social status'.
If you want to discuss something, discuss this: Has anyone ever managed to get a threesome with twins? That's the dream.
Oh man, this thread is rich Haha.
Filipinos, male or female, have swag. At targets it is multiplied. That said if the pinoy is 5'8" and the Jessica Alba clone is 5'10" or taller it's game over 10 out of 10 times
Why would banging twins be a dream? It's like ordering two steaks for dinner. Mom and daughter would be far more epic.
Probably because the chances of finding twins are low? It's like striking the lottery. I'm not really into older women. How about sisters then? That's like having a steak and rack of lamb.
//www.youtube.com/embed/Dq0BXlTYDrM
Watch out mbavsmsfin, the homiphobia bomb has been dropped. Nuclear PC war has been declared.
This thread just cracks me up haha. Even gay dudes would think that manchick playing nerdcraft is haggard.
I'm pretty sure brandon st randy is gay or transgender. Have you ever seen a straight man only loves (female) prostitutes, not any other types of woman? (Take this as a compliment, most gays are insanely good-looking~~)
Jewish girls will bang anything, but only date Jewish guys. I suppose if you like stuck up chick's you better convert.
Indian and middle eastern women haven't been brain washed by the American PC gestapo yet and usually only date their own race or educated white guys. I personally have a theory that educated ethnic women love culturally sensitive and educated white guys. Why?
1) we don't know or care about caste. 2) we don't need our family to arrange a date 3) we don't expect women to cook, clean, shit out kids and basically be a servant
So the key is to know your shit, be smart and have a god job. And the you can date and slay all the super educated smoke shows
Miss America went to fucking Michigan and studied neuroscience or some shit. Compare that to the rest of Miss American contestants that studied gym class or something and have a noticeable whistling sound coming from their ears whenever the wind blows.
In terms of Indian/Middle Eastern/Asian girls, a bit more granularity is required for a proper explanation. In my view, there are basically three categories:
1) 1st generation 2) 2nd generation or come from a family that has maintained cultural heritage over generations 3) 3rd+ generation or very westernized or one parent is white
All else similar, category 3 will prefer a white dude.
Yah, agree. But the further diluted you get the more chappy western culture invades. Plenty of bimbod out Indian chick's that get influenced by American culture. Might as well date a tanned white chick then. The arb only works when they are relatively unscathed by American culture.
On the Ethnic Arb topic,another great example out there is Russian/Eastern European chicks. You could see a fat, ugly, bald guy who has some money (not even a ton) pulling like a 10 from Bulgaria or something. I mean Russia invented the mail order program haha.
I need a trading desk full of dudes lining up the Ethnic Arb plays. Joining buyers with sellers. Maybe that will be the next hit dating site. EthnicArb.com "For upscale white dudes looking to out kick their coverage with minority women"
is that kind of like trafficking? never understood why these stunning Bulgarian/Russian women would take that trade... I guess U.S. citizenship still has some value.
US men tend to not be alcoholics or wife abusers. Plus they are marrying relatively successful men and moving to the US. This gives them the opportunity to study or basically loaf off the dudes with money. Worst case they go to school or work in a country without corruption and plenty of opportunities.
The "reverse arbitrage" is also true. There are white girls that are smart and accomplished and not completely polluted by western culture for whatever reason, and therefore more open-minded about going out with Indian/Middle Eastern/Asian guys.
Despite the various sociological factors at play, it of course goes without saying that regardless of your ethnic/cultural background, the more confident/interesting/passionate/fit you are the better you will do. Guys who are tall and white do have a genetic advantage though.
Yup. The well-educated and accomplished white women on the whole are more open to non-white guys. I've also noticed that white women in NYC are much more open than their counterparts in Chicago.
Yet another reason why NYC is not a "giant ripoff"
Yah, but educated =/= hot with white women. It its an arb for them since they get more educated and wealthy non white guys. So a busted smart woman could land a rich indian/Asian guy.
All things go out the window though when you have people obsessed with a different culture. I went to UG with a dude who is obsessed with Chinese women and his obsession led him to go down market to satiate his desires. He didn't use his advantaged position to get the highest return on capital.
There is usually an inverse correlation between intelligence/education and attractiveness/focus on appearance, white or non-white.
I don't know, I'd love to see some evidence of an inverse correlation between attractiveness and intelligence. It's commonly believed to be true, but I find it highly suspect. Obviously, if you find someone with a 40 or 50 IQ (severe cognitive impairment), they are generally going to fall in the substantially below average category of attractiveness.
Anecdotally I just haven't come across too many girls who are both extremely intelligent and extremely attractive.
Also, as far as the question of is their racism in dating or are white men preferred dating partners? The obvious answer is yes there is racism.
That being said, women generally exhibit status seeking behavior (or at least low status avoiding). To the extent that white men generally have higher status jobs than most other races, one would expect that white men would be preferred in the dating pool ceteris paribus. Because people tend to help those around them, successful people are more often white than not, and socio-economic groups tend to cluster, white men are benefitting in the dating pool, even if outright discrimination did not exist.
If a female MIT educated engineer was out in the dating pool, it's fairly obvious to most people that she won't be dating ditch diggers, no matter her looks or his race. It is (in my mind) somewhat unlikely that she would date someone like Allen Iverson, even though he is wealthier than others she would consider social status peers, like a doctor or banker. Social status is not just money.
That being said, someone like a Will Smith who is considered good looking, smart, and successful will have little problem pulling a female from any race, even though black men are often the least desirable according to that OKcupid result.
The bottom line: If you are high status, you have a decent chance with females from any race. Clearly, some won't date or marry out of their race for any reason, but that is becoming a smaller percentage of the population over time. More often, there are other more important factors at play besides race.
I agree with your premise but your supporting details neglect to touch on a crucial piece of the puzzle IMHO. Women ultimately judge status by behavior: your behavior towards others, others behavior towards you, and your behavior to yourself. Women ultimately care about your potential to be "successful" in the future, however you define success. Your current looks, current job, intelligence, education, etc are important insofar as they positively affect your behavior and make you more genuinely confident and influence how other people act towards you.
Cause they are unicorns haha
Speaking of unicorns, have you seen this?
There will be men of every race that are culturally sensitive and educated. Most foreign races born in America do not expect their partners to do the following. In fact, many White guys go to places like Asian and Eastern Europe to get a partner to bring home so that she will do those three things for him. In fact, many White American guys actually expect the following of their partners. There is a reason why women's screwed up version of feminism was born in the US.
The first 2 categories would definitely prefer their own race of people. As for category 3, apart from appearance, all else would be similar between them and a white American chick. Why would any half-decent white dude choose them over a white girl (who is not obese)?
To them, it is the ultimate 'exit opportunity'.
I would say that educated =/= hot with all people and women, white or not. It is the busted white guys who end up getting the hot but dumb Eastern European/Asian/Indian/Middle Eastern women too. Many of them are using them to get the green card and/or for social status. And maybe that dude just wanted to reach for 'the low hanging fruit'. The most attractive (and not dumb) people of each race tend to stick to their own race.But Asians/Indians are the most educated race in America. Most of them hold very high status jobs. In fact, they are over-represented in professions like medicine and law. Wouldn't that elevate their social status and make them the preferred race in the dating pool? But other than that, you make very good points.
Lol the cat is out of the bag (no pun intended)
There should also be a stated difference in them looking to date and them looking for someone to marry. In dating status is more about money (although money is a key factor), social value is probably the most important to American women of any race. But when they think about marriage money and being provided things are more likely than not most important.
That's like asking why a guy would prefer a brunette over a blonde...
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