Cars: Thinking about getting rid of my BMW

Hey everyone -- thinking about getting rid of my generic 5 series (2016) and getting a Subaru Outback... seems crazy but there's no maintenance and they seem fairly durable. Wasn't a huge fan of the 5 series and have a 911 already as a weekender. What are y'all's thoughts?

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Comments (46)

Jan 2, 2019

Do it! Not many cars are as reliable as an outback, from what I hear. If you have a 911 I'm sure you're doing fine. No need to base a choice off of luxury at the cost of utility. You also have nothing to prove to anyone else, so its totally up to you. I say go for it.

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Jan 2, 2019

If you don't mind swapping a 5-series for a Subaru, then go for it! It's obviously going to be much cheaper to own and maintain than a BMW. I used to own a subaru impreza, and their 4-wheel drive system is incredibly good for the money. So if it snows or rains a lot where you live, that's another plus.

You could also look into the subaru crosstrek, which is smaller and maybe a bit sportier than the outback. You can also try to find a certified pre-owned audi allroad for about the same price as an outback (although it may end up being costly to maintain once the warranty expires).

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Jan 2, 2019

What really drew me to it was the payment was the same and they have a 7 year, 100k mile warranty. Oh and the insurance was 25% LOL

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Jan 2, 2019

I actually know a whole lot about cars, and worked as a test driver for a major German high performance automobile manufacturer for two years.
Honestly if you have a 911, then nothing else will really top it that's cheaper.
Main question here is how much do you like your BMW.
Even if it's generic, the thing is, BMWs are solidly built. For example, driving around curves/highway exits at a high rate of speed seems much more natural to do so in a BMW.
Also the interior quality, such as the materials are of a higher quality.
As good as Subaru's AWD system is, BMW's xDrive is by far the best in the business. There are several videos that showcase the difference.
I've seen from a post above that you're looking at the same payment. Here's what you have to decide, are the maintenance savings worth the compromises in the Outback? If they are, then go for it.
Also from my days at BMW, we used to offer customers the ability to extend both the warranty and maintenance plan for up to 7 years/125k miles for a worthwhile price. Perhaps explore that option with your dealer. Just know whatever price he offers you has a significant room for negotiation.

Also my brother had a high speed crash on a country in 2014 5 series, which is basically the same car as yours (both are F10 LCI chassis). He was lucky enough to walk away from the scene with 0 injuries whatsoever, although the car was totaled. Even though the Subaru is safe (4 star crash rating) the BMW has a 5 star crash rating. Not sure how important that is to you, but definitely worth considering.

Personally, I would not give up the extra luxuries afforded to me in the 5 series for a Subaru Outback for the same money. I'd look into buying the warranty and maintenance extensions.

thots and prayers

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Jan 3, 2019

The other thing about Subaru that worries me is their transmission reliability - they use CVT's in all their models. I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. Too bad, because I really like the Outback. I'm not sure why Subbie chose to put a CVT in all their automatic transmissions.

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Jan 2, 2019

huge car guy... someone just crashed into my 2013 bmw 335is red. hella rare... got 20k for it at 106k miles. about to buy porsche 911 2016 carrea s black edition.

I tuned that bmw 320 stock to 500 hp stage 2.

Jan 2, 2019

I've driven a couple of 335is' while at BMW. those cars are ultra rare for sure.
500 HP is nuts. I have an F80 M3 and the thing is like 450 stock and power is plenty.
Although I wonder what this could top out at.

911s are sick. I'll definitely get one when I can afford one.
Wishlist
-488 Pista
-812Superfast
-F12TDF
-GT2RS
-720S
If I actually break out of poverty-->
-LaFerrari
-Senna/P1

thots and prayers

Jan 2, 2019

new m3s with a tune can easily hit 600 HP.

Jan 2, 2019

sounds appealing, gonna look into it.

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Jan 2, 2019

check this out for you f80. alot of threads and videos on it. GL bro

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Jan 2, 2019

yeah man. im really sad someone crashed into my car... wanted to give that to my son...

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Jan 2, 2019

those are one off, no doubt it was worthy of being collected, driven, and passed down.

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Jan 2, 2019
2and20:

I've driven a couple of 335is' while at BMW. those cars are ultra rare for sure.
500 HP is nuts. I have an F80 M3 and the thing is like 450 stock and power is plenty.
Although I wonder what this could top out at.

911s are sick. I'll definitely get one when I can afford one.
Wishlist
-488 Pista
-812Superfast
-F12TDF
-GT2RS
-720S
If I actually break out of poverty-->
-LaFerrari
-Senna/P1

I'd throw in a 458 Speciale, maybe instead of the 488 Pista, and definitely a GTR R35. I am a huge Ferrari fan and, during high school, I saw often both LaFerrari and LaFerrari Aperta on the way home, as I suppose they were test-driving them.
The real problem with all the cars that you are listed are both the delivery times and the fact that even clients hardly get the 812 Superfast (which is not a limited edition).

Glad to see that there are other people interested in cars and I really envy your experience as a test-driver.

I already planned to drop the first bonus on a drift course in Japan, with the Orange Team, I'm so hyped!

Jan 2, 2019

Agreed 458 Speciale is a must have... I figured I shouldn't be too greedy with my wishlist haha
Damn where do you live bro that you see a LaFerrari Aperta and LaFerrari everyday.

thots and prayers

Jan 2, 2019
2and20:

Damn where do you live bro that you see a LaFerrari Aperta and LaFerrari everyday.

I live in Italy, not that distant from Maranello. I wish it was every day, mostly 1/2 times per week for a couple of years, as the cars were on their way home to Maranello.

If you love cars you should really come to Italy and get to see "Mille Miglia" race: it is a mix of both historical and modern supercars, last year there were a couple of Bugatti EB110, lot's of F40, F50, 355 and also 458, F12, LaF and even a couple of 458 Speciale Aperta, which is my favorite.

2and20:

Agreed 458 Speciale is a must have... I figured I shouldn't be too greedy with my wishlist haha

What's the point of hustling if you don't dream big? Plus most of the cars that you have named have a better y-o-y return than most of the traditional investments.

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Jan 2, 2019

Well said. That explains so much that you live close to Maranello. I've actually watched videos on "Mille Miglia" definitely an event that's worthwhile. You're spot on with the investment potential in these cars. The F12TDF was a 450,000 MSRP car, now worth $1.5 million. The LaFerrari had an MSRP of $1.4 million and are currently trading for $3.6 million and the list goes on....
Although I would daily drive the car if I had one. I just don't have the level of restraint needed not to.

thots and prayers

Jan 3, 2019

If you are GregB.23 you don't have to worry that much, he has like 100+ cars and even if he picks one every 3 days, the mileage won't go up that much, and you can enjoy a wide variety of cars, but the catch is that you need probably something around $30-$50 million for his collection (at historical cost)

Jan 3, 2019

I follow him on insta broski
His specs are insane

thots and prayers

Jan 3, 2019

So do you follow Powerslidelover too? They are friends in real, and on top of having almost any car you dream about, they are really good at playing with them too! I had a friend of mine that sent me a video of Powerslidelover power sliding on a mountain pass while snowing with a Huracan Performante.

(BTW Greg owns a VC fund will soon send a cold email to explore any stage opportunity ahah)

Jan 3, 2019
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So do you follow Powerslidelover too? They are friends in real, and on top of having almost any car you dream about, they are really good at playing with them too! I had a friend of mine that sent me a video of Powerslidelover power sliding on a mountain pass while snowing with a Huracan Performante.

(BTW Greg owns a VC fund will soon send a cold email to explore any stage opportunity ahah)

this dude's instagram is nasssttyyy what the fuckkkk

https://www.instagram.com/gregb.23/?hl=en

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Jan 3, 2019
Isaiah_53_5:

this dude's instagram is nasssttyyy what the fuckkkk

https://www.instagram.com/gregb.23/?hl=en

Greg daily drive most of his cars, including LaFerrari and LaFerrari Aperta, even if I prefer his stories when he drives the MC12 Corsa.

If you want to see someone that drives his car, using it to have fun and not going to the restaurant and then back home, check him out

https://www.instagram.com/powerslidelover/?hl=it
He has also a YT channel with videos of him on his FXX in some European tracks.

(Greg for the track day has a 599 GTOXX, a Ferrari FXXK Evo and a few more of the Corse Clienti program)

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Jan 3, 2019
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Isaiah_53_5:

this dude's instagram is nasssttyyy what the fuckkkk

https://www.instagram.com/gregb.23/?hl=en

Greg daily drive most of his cars, including LaFerrari and LaFerrari Aperta, even if I prefer his stories when he drives the MC12 Corsa.

Ohh ok - yeah I saw that pic of him with the skis on the Pagani. Not much space in the LaFerrari though to bring anything.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Jan 3, 2019

He has like 5/6 Paganis if not more, but that Huayra I'm 99% sure that it's the one used for press/reviews and it's not his.

BTW he has a Huayra BC, a yellow Zonda S Roadster, the Zonda Nero, an orange Zonda S coupe, should also have a Zonda R and probably the Cinque Roadster.

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Jan 3, 2019
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If you want to see someone that drives his car, using it to have fun and not going to the restaurant and then back home, check him out

https://www.instagram.com/powerslidelover/?hl=it

oh ok nice

haha - he got the Lambo SUV in the snow - awesome

These moves are a lot harder than they look - he is a talented driver.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsJCXRcCie2/

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Jan 3, 2019

A couple of days ago he posted like 5/6 videos poking fun at a friend of his which got stuck with the new G-wagon and he was messing around with the Performante, that was really hilarious

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Jan 3, 2019

That's the exit opp to look forward to, Greg's VC fund. Wonder whether he's a user on this site, since he is such an active user of social media sites....

thots and prayers

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Jan 3, 2019
2and20:

The LaFerrari had an MSRP of $1.4 million and are currently trading for $3.6 million and the list goes on....
Although I would daily drive the car if I had one. I just don't have the level of restraint needed not to.

You would daily drive a LaFerrari?

For expensive DD supercars, I'd think something like a Bugatti would be much more comfortable and reasonable.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Jan 3, 2019

Trunk of a LaFerrari - lol

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Jan 3, 2019

If you don't have friends or a family, that's more than enough space if you ask me lol

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Jan 3, 2019
2and20:

If you don't have friends or a family, that's more than enough space if you ask me lol

hahaha

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Jan 3, 2019

Chirons are sick. But honestly I only need whatever fits in the LaF.

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Jan 2, 2019

fuck subarus . what type of 5 series ? if its not a 550i or m5 get rid of it.

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Jan 2, 2019

I'd give you all my SBs for this post if I could.....

thots and prayers

Jan 2, 2019

thanks mate

Jan 2, 2019
adrenalinejunkie:

fuck subarus . what type of 5 series ? if its not a 550i or m5 get rid of it.

no M5 owner says they have a generic 5 series...

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Jan 2, 2019

Do it, BMWs are shite anyway. No reason to blow money if you already have the 911

Jan 2, 2019

Guy's at a hedge fund... doubt a few grand yearly for maintenance is an issue anyways

thots and prayers

Jan 2, 2019

ur right not much. 2018 I changed the charge pipe and water pump which ran me 1k.

Jan 2, 2019

if you want no maintenance and don't care about looks, get a camry or accord.

personally, I'm a big fan of used japanese luxury, you get the looks but you also don't get the maintenance. that said, I'm not a huge car guy so can't speak to performance. just that I like the way my ride looks, feels, sounds, and costs.

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Jan 2, 2019

I fk with hondas.

Car list:
17-20: 2008 Honda Accord - Sold
20-23: 2012 328i m package coupe- Totaled - my fault lol..
23-25: 2013 335is - Totaled - not my fault lol...
25: Buying first porsche 911 this weekend. Will come back to post picture.

Work hard play hard!!!

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Jan 2, 2019

I mean, that's a pretty drastic difference, so it depends on what's important to you. If it's just the maintenance, warranty, and monthly payment, then there are plenty of options including the Subaru.

Why not go for the best of both worlds and get something like a Lexus IS/ES 350. Still get something with some luxury and good looks, but way cheaper maintenance than a BMW/Audi. Price point is slightly higher than the Subaru, but honestly not that bad. Also offer an AWD version if you need it.

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Jan 2, 2019

If you want something German that is practical for commuting from suburbs to 1,0000' sand dunes, I would recommend:

Its pretty low key.

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Jan 2, 2019

I'm not even into pickup trucks yet the 6x6 is on my wishlist. Absolute baller.

thots and prayers

Jan 3, 2019

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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