Dress Shirt Collar Type

Hey Guys,

I'm working in S&T at a BB in NYC this summer. Given that I won't need to wear a tie, what type of collar should I go with in my dress shirts: a collar that is button-down or one that isn't.

Here are the three examples I'm debating between:

Ainsley Collar:
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Supima-Cotton-Non-Iron-Slim-Fit-Ainsley-C…

Point Collar:
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Supima-Cotton-Non-Iron-Traditional-Fit-Fo…

Button-Down Collar:
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Supima-Cotton-Non-Iron-Slim-Fit-Button-Do…

thank you!

Comments (106)

May 8, 2013 - 5:27pm

Definitely not button down, way too informal (for interns at my office at least). I like the Ainsley one.

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May 8, 2013 - 5:50pm

First see how the shirts look without a tie. If the collar spreads out too far (since you have no tie to keep it together), it looks like shit.

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May 8, 2013 - 7:00pm

It depends on your face type. I'm usually a spread collar guy

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May 10, 2013 - 1:47pm

No problemo

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May 10, 2013 - 1:48pm

You should wear or not wear spread collars based on your face and jaw shape. They aren't inherently "better" or "higher brow"

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May 10, 2013 - 1:51pm

What face and jaw shape suits them best? Tbh I have to admit that (although I'm pretty fashion conscious) I hadn't even considered that, because I think they look awesome.

May 10, 2013 - 1:52pm

I have an oval face shape and can supposedly wear any type of collar ha. Question remains valid. Seems like I have my answer though, sounds like they're fine.

May 10, 2013 - 1:50pm

Doesn't matter, you will never look as good as me :)

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May 10, 2013 - 2:05pm

Do not buy Ben Sherman. If you make the mistake of buying Ben Sherman, do not wear it to work.

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May 10, 2013 - 2:06pm

If its Macquarie, those guys always came off as bros, so just stay away from skinny ties/flashy suits/bling watches and you'll be fine.

May 10, 2013 - 2:07pm

meabric:

If its Macquarie, those guys always came off as bros, so just stay away from skinny ties/flashy suits/bling watches and you'll be fine.

You should kinda stay away from those anyhow...

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May 10, 2013 - 2:08pm

Thanks guys, appreciate the advice. I'll be in the US for the fall semester on exchange and am leaving a bit early and heading right to my internship in Sydney so have to do all my clothes shopping in NYC...I'm planning on buying suits from Suit Supply and shirts from Charles Tyrwhitt(?), shoes, belts, socks and ties etc from wherever. Do those sound like fair places to go, or should I look elsewhere?

May 10, 2013 - 2:13pm

No. As long as you don't wear whimsy ties, a four in hand works fine (maybe with an extra turn). Definitely a sophisticated look, unless you wear crazy spreads. Full windsor can scream wannabe (depending on the whole outfit and style of the person).

May 10, 2013 - 2:14pm

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May 10, 2013 - 2:23pm

Definitely go to suitsupply. I have 3 suits from there and Ive gone to bespoke tailors and they have said the quality for the price is astronomical. One of the guys was even worried that if older people catch on it will significantly ruin their business

May 10, 2013 - 2:24pm

That's a pretty impressive testimonial- thanks for that. I was thinking of buying CT shirts and possibly suits if on sale but may just go to suit supply regardless now- would you say suit supply is superior to CT suits at a better price?

May 10, 2013 - 2:26pm

I generally only wear cutaway or spread collars. I think they look the best, IMO.

May 10, 2013 - 2:29pm

+1 CT. Quality is obviously not extraordinary at this price point, but compared to the usual warehouse crap stuff it's really decent.

I'm not sure if the shirt in question has a shirt pocket... if so, I'd pass.

Speaking of the face type ... In my book a moderate spread fits all types. If someone has a very round face it's still a round face, even if the person wears a point collar. Sorry. Wearing an extreme spread might be counterproductive, yes, but apart from the well known RL cutaway there are not too many in this category.

May 10, 2013 - 2:30pm

mg0815:

+1 CT. Quality is obviously not extraordinary at this price point, but compared to the usual warehouse crap stuff it's really decent.

I'm not sure if the wso/" target="_blank" sl-processed="1">shirt in question has a wso/" target="_blank" sl-processed="1">shirt pocket... if so, I'd pass.

Speaking of the face type ... In my book a moderate spread fits all types. If someone has a very round face it's still a round face, even if the person wears a point collar. Sorry. Wearing an extreme spread might be counterproductive, yes, but apart from the well known RL cutaway there are not too many in this category.


keaton collars on the RL shirts might be a little too extreme for some, but i personally think they look dope if you can pull it off. i think udeshi cutaway shirts are cool as well, but your MD would probably think you're retarded.
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May 10, 2013 - 2:33pm

Contrast Collar (Originally Posted: 11/20/2013)

are contrasting white collars and blue shirts OK to wear to an interview? At a formal place, informal place, both, or none? Or do I risk looking like a big wannabe?

May 10, 2013 - 2:41pm

My thoughts as well.

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May 10, 2013 - 2:43pm

LBJ's hair:

Contrast collars are never ok in any setting.


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May 10, 2013 - 2:39pm

I loathe to say it, but it's really for the geezers only. Younger guys come off as kinda cheesy. Personally, I hate this rule because I like contrasting collars, but I wouldn't do it on the desk or anywhere else.

May 10, 2013 - 2:50pm

turtles:

Really not appropriate for lower-level employees. One summer, an intern in my group came into work wearing one and was teased about it non-stop. Ended up leaving in the middle of the day to go home and change.

Somehow I don't believe this at all.

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May 10, 2013 - 2:51pm

To me, the only time contrasting collared shirts are okay are if you: A) are in UK, B) are >= 60 years old. Please don't embarrass yourself. Don't do it.

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May 10, 2013 - 2:54pm

^ all the above is true and relate to. But I also feel its perpetuating a myth if you havent ever worn one yourself. Even if you saw others do it and haze them for it, it takes personality and.. mm balls. I worn one to the desk one day, with cufflinks and red tie and no one gave me shit over it ( I may have been the unspoken joke of the day) but no one dared say anything to me. I think it just really takes confidence and personality to rock ANYTHING. btw.. 2 yr analyst.

May 10, 2013 - 2:55pm

I feel like contrast collars are what you wear when you're 14 and want to "feel like an adult," not what you wear when you're actually an adult.

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May 10, 2013 - 3:00pm

As long as it isn't a popped collar...

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May 10, 2013 - 3:02pm

90 percent cut away

Those who can, do. Those who can't, post threads about how to do it on WSO.
May 10, 2013 - 3:04pm

+1 SB! Good call.

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May 10, 2013 - 3:08pm

Remember when he stabbed that guy in the neck with a pen in Casino? What a flick

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May 10, 2013 - 3:11pm

Most of my shirts are Spread and Forward-point, but I like Button-down best.

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May 10, 2013 - 3:14pm

What collar style for my neck? (Originally Posted: 09/09/2013)

I am ~180 pounds, 6 feet tall. I have a skinny neck and large adam's apple. Should I be looking to buy more Ainsley or Point collar styles for my dress shirts?

Sorry if my question seems silly but the site hasn't led me astray yet in terms of fashion advice. I will be buying both styles, but what would best accent the features of someone with a skinny neck?

Thanks for any help y'all can offer.

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