How Cheap Can You Go in NYC?
Assuming 85k base, post tax that's like 60k or 5k a month. I'll need to support my parents as well, which will be the biggest expense after rent around 1000 or so. If I can put another 1000 away that would be great, which would leave me with around 3k. 3k seems doable, don't need to eat expensive dinners every night, or buy expensive clothes. How would you live on 3k a month in New York?
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So, you're looking to live in NYC on ~$4k/mo???
May I begin by suggesting that you get on craigslist and start looking for apartments with roommates way out in queens or way up in the bronx. You might be able to score a room for under $1000/mo. Your commute will be two hours each way though. Oh, that requires ~$150 for a monthly metrocard as well. Then there's internet, cable, your phone, etc. (let's just call that $200)
That leaves you $2650/mo for everything else. That's borderline doable as long as you live modestly. Realize that living alone with a nice commute could knock $2k+ off that monthly general expenditures number, and you understand how things get expensive fast. The average Manhattanite spends something like 52% of their income on rent. (it's a dated figure, but I can't be bothered to look if there's a new one)
I mean it can’t be that expensive. If saving some of my base is out of the cards, then couldn’t I still get a roommate or two and get a place in Manhattan? It doesn’t have to be Manhattan, but 2 hours each way is a bit too much for me.
Make sure you’re looking at gross rent prices and not just net prices. If you’re doing a 2 year stint then your monthly rent will be higher than the net price most of the apartment sites list. Also, 1 bedrooms look to be going for around 3k, in some places 2-2.5k. Studios are around 2. Depends on location as well, whether you want a short commute to work (walking or short sub ride) or you’re comfortable shlepping 45 minutes after a long night at the office. Best way to save money is getting some finance roommates, not going out to eat too much, and skimping on the booze a bit. Also keep in mind the apartment prices are lower than normal due to COVID, so this might be the cheapest it gets for next few years.
find a roomate to split an apt..you should be able to find a room that costs ~$1200/month
$30/day for food is doable (some days will be less, others more) = $900/month
drinks at a bar? That will blow your budget after a few nights out...so pre-game at home if you ever plan to go out...and then drink water at the bar.
$120/month for utilities (internet, cellphone, electricity)
This is living paycheck to paycheck...you won't set aside much....but after 1 year you'll be making more money and then things get much easier. you will have learned how t live frugally, and can save the extra $$ you'll earn in years 2-3.
I'm not sure I agree with your numbers.
Broad conclusion: NYC on $4k/mo is doable, on $3k? better get an in somewhere, or it ain't happening.
Are you working insane hours? If not, living a good bit away from the city is your best bet. And by a good bit I don’t mean something like Williamsburg or Hoboken, but something like south Brooklyn / riverdale / westchester / deep queens / Nassau etc.
The other option, which most people seem to be mentioning, is to split an already cheap room with someone else. This is certainly doable but you could end up living in a pretty dumpy place if you’re not careful.
I don't think I'll be working 100 hrs a week. Probably around 70, sometimes less, sometimes more. Like I said, doesn't have to be manhatten, but I don't want to commute 2 hrs each way. I guess splitting a room is my best bet. Hopefully, it will only be this way for a year or two max, if it lasts any longer then something has gone terribly wrong lmao.
its common to live in either Brooklyn (if you work downtown) or Astoria (if you work in midtown)...~30 min commute and $1200/month is reasonable to rent a room in an apt with roommates.
When you goto the bar, you can always just ask for water and say "i'm dehydrated" and never order alcohol, and nobody will ever judge you or care.
$10 for daily lunch is fine and you have plenty of options...same for dinner...and $3 for a bacon egg cheese breakfast sandwich from a cart was my daily for years.
However, if you ever go out to a restaurant with a group, those will be expensive nights and will quickly eat into whatever savings you might have planned. It is not uncommon to goto a restaurant where the cheapest entree costs $50 and you really can't leave without spending $100. If the group picks a place like that, you really don't have a choice.
This is totally doable....you won't be living in luxury, but its fine when you are young.
You can live on 3k post-tax extremely comfortably in New York if you keep your spending from getting out of control. Just get a few roommates and you can get rent a room in the $1,500 – $2,000 range (for a decent place, you can obviously go cheaper). In the current environment you can get a really nice place for that, or go cheaper if you want. That leaves $1,500 – $1,000 per month for general expenses (conservatively, you can go much lower if you want).
Non-discretionary expenses will be pretty limited. You'll eat seamless for dinner at work, and can bring your own lunch so groceries should be minimal (~$80/week for high quality breakfast/lunch; don't skimp on food quality). Utilities and Wifi should be ~$50/month or $12.50/week. Subway to the office is ~$20/week and you'll take a firm Uber home. That comes out to ~$110/week.
Leaves you with ~$140 for discretionary expenses per week. That's plenty to enjoy a night out every weekend, which is ambitious for a junior analyst. That's not to mention your bonus, which for many is enough savings to free up your whole pay check to live off (unlocking an extra ~$1k/month). Or you can go cheaper on rent if you think you'll be spending more on discretionary stuff.
Bottom line is that budget should not be an issue to living a good life. Not sure what these other posters are thinking is so expensive about living in New York as long as you get a roommate or 2. Definitely don't need to live in fucking Nassau and take a 2 hour train with all your depressed VPs every morning to make it work.
This is more so what I was thinking. I don’t need to live that well, at least not for the first couple years. The extra 1k would be nice, but honestly could save my bonus as well, don’t think it will matter too much in a few years.
I think it’s totally possible to find a place in NYC for less than $1500 a month right now, especially with roommates. I moved into a small UWS 3br with my partner in September with gross rent of $3300 and net of $2950, and since it’s a renters market we negotiated for a two year lease with no rent increase. Clearly we didn’t need a 3br, but since were both at home all the time it’s nice that we both have an office. Renting here does assume you have good to great credit, or a guarantor, and also that you can plonk down (up to) 3 months’ rent when you move in (first, deposit, (possible broker)).
If you manage that, the way I’d think about it is that you have $1500 a month left over in disposable income, or about $50 a day. Is this manageable for you? I think the answer to that question will be different for everyone.
Some basic expenses:
Transportation: $127 a month for a 30-day subway pass, or $4.23 a day
Utilities: let’s say $90 a month (what I pay), $3 a day
Internet: $75 a month (for that WFH high speed), $2.50 a day
Other expenses that will be more variable: renters insurance, health care & health insurance, groceries, bodega sandwiches, digital subscriptions, a therapist to deal with your crushing New York City-induced ennui, etc.
Having roommates or living with an SO again would cut down some of these costs (you can split renter’s insurance/utils/groceries, use your girlfriend’s cousin’s HBO Max account, save on a therapist by talking to your roommate’s cat...)
I always try to add all these things up and see where I’m comfortable. I know from growing up with nothing and still being in my twenties that I’m comfortable living on a bottom line budget of $20 a day after my expenses are taken care of. But that’s going to be different for everyone. So is it possible—totally! But it also depends on what is livable and tenable to you.
Don’t forget also that moving and furnishing an apartment is a) stupidly stressful and b) stupidly expensive. Good luck, and also kudos for taking care of your parents.
Edited to add: I'm assuming you're not paying down any major debts. Add debt payments into expenses if so, or assume your annual bonus will be going towards paying it down.
This is probably the most accurate. Everyone else is being obnoxious with their spend. When I lived in the city I lived in a “luxury” building in FiDi and commuted to midtown. I lived with 3 other dudes in a 3x2 flexed into a 4x2 and it was awesome. The apartment was probably 2,000 square feet and never felt crowded. If you’re working from home, cook instead of ordering and if you’re in the office you’ll get dinner paid for. A metro pass is tax deductible, it will be like 120 as this guy said. If you work late you’ll always be able to take a car home. Nights out can be expensive but don’t have to be. Pregame and don’t buy shots when you’re out. Find the cheaper dives, you don’t need to be going to meatpacking or LES every night trying to chase tail. Focus on work and make the best of these first two years.
Still a student and haven't put a lot of thought into this but it doesn't seem that hard.
For starters, I don't drink. I also don't have very expensive tastes/hobbies (taco bell, the gym and watching sports). Seems like I could easily get away with $40k a year.
Rent - $2k/Mo
Food (most meals will be seamless and eggs for breakfast) - $300/Mo
Clothes (upgrades for professional wardrobe, I wear $5 Walmart sweats) - $200/Mo
Misc - $500/Mo
That's only $3k a month. What else am I missing senior monkeys?
With roommate(s) you could probably swing it assuming rent of $1,500 or possibly slightly less, which is doable. Of course, I think many analysts are currently in a situation of regretting going cheap and having lots of roommates as they didn't anticipate spending much time in their apartment when they signed the lease. Whether you can keep things below $3k will largely be contingent on how much you can expense your employer (rides home at night, dinners at the desk, free or heavily discounted gym membership, etc.).
Don't listen to these people telling you you have to pay 2k plus in rent. Just dont live in a luxury building and you can easily find 2 bedrooms in Manhattan around the $2800-3000 range and thats pre covid. Areas I would suggest looking are LES, East village, kips bay, and Murray hill. As long as you are within 5 min of a subway station you are good. Its a renters market right now you could easily find steals and try to negotiate a 2 or even 3 year lease at these prices. How much clothes do you realistically need. You're going to be in the office for 70 hours a week. Just Cop a couple of suits and maybe some additional suit pants in your rotation since you won't be wearing a jacket most of the time.
I paid $850 for a room in brooklyn with 2 chill roommates. It was about a 10 minute walk to the M station.
I could have easily paid more but I am super cheap.
$4500/m after taxes & retirement contribution
If you can get meals at work and aren’t a big spender on hobbies or going out, definitely doable with the budget you’ve stated.
Couple notes more generally:
Central Park north/Harlem below 125th is a hidden gem. It’s 5-10 mins to midtown if you live on the ABCD line. The food, shopping and night life are decent too. Rent is on par with most of New York, especially in new development, but discounts are not hard to come by. (I am talking about west Harlem).
This man knows. Central Park North and Harlem (west of 5th) is a hidden gem. Not an unsafe area either for the most part despite the stereotypes about Harlem.
I pay $2500 a month for a renovated 1bd/1ba (stainless steel appliances, wood floors, modern bathroom and kitchen) with a gym and laundry room. I can get to midtown in less than 15 min.
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