How have ivy league colleges changed in the last decade?

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I can't believe time has passed by this quickly, but I entered college about a decade ago. I know that since then ivy league admissions has gotten even more selective. I'm curious to hear from some of the younger folks on here about student life at the ivies. Are students more competitive? Has it gotten tougher to land good jobs or get into elite grad schools? I've heard several people complain that ivy undergrads have too many smart kids and that it's no longer the bastion for rich wasps who want to relax for 4 years while playing lacrosse.

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Sep 8, 2010
jjc1122:

it's no longer the bastion for rich wasps who want to relax for 4 years while playing lacrosse.

too many asians, those days are gone

Sep 8, 2010
BigBucks:
jjc1122:

it's no longer the bastion for rich wasps who want to relax for 4 years while playing lacrosse.

too many asians, those days are gone

nailed it. these days i imagine the only schools that could possibly be described that way are the far less selective and more obscure colleges like trinity college in CT, W&L, hampden-sydney, bates ... As i've said before, the concept of waspiness is all but extinct now.

Sep 8, 2010
prospie:
BigBucks:
jjc1122:

it's no longer the bastion for rich wasps who want to relax for 4 years while playing lacrosse.

too many asians, those days are gone

nailed it. these days i imagine the only schools that could possibly be described that way are the far less selective and more obscure colleges like trinity college in CT, W&L, hampden-sydney, bates ... As i've said before, the concept of waspiness is all but extinct now.

Hampden-Sydney doesn't really stack up with the other schools you mentioned.

US News Ranking Acceptance Rate

W&L 14 19%
Bates 21 27%
Trinity 36 41%

HSC 111 56%

Sep 8, 2010

I think it's best explained by Mr. Alonzo Harris: "We don't roll like that no more. Now we use this. (points to side of head)"

Sep 8, 2010

Very competitive. I have cousins who went to Princeton and Harvard with 1400s. I don't think that is even possible now as people are studying harder and longer for the SAT. People are also applying to more schools. It is not rare to apply to 12-14 schools. I got rejected from the big three, Harvard, Yale and Princeton, and decided to forgo Cornell and Brown because their prestige has slipped. Nowadays, when you are talking about Ivys, you are only talking about Harvard, Yale and Princeton. This is interesting to think about since SAT scores have dipped overall.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

Sep 8, 2010

^^haha, gotta love ignorant college kids.

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Sep 8, 2010

I think the mentality of "I have to go to Harvard, I have to go to Yale," etc. Has changed, at least in someways. I had friends that got into both of those schools and elected to go to UVA or Georgetown because they valued the combination of prestige and sports, social life etc. Maybe not in the last 10 year but certainly in the last 50 its not uncommon to get a fantastic job with great pay from a 'middle of the road' school with the right grades connections etc. Not to mention that, at least in the office/group I work with, having one of those names on your resume does provide any sort of benefit of the doubt etc. I may be a newer guy in the game but I feel like a Harvard grad and a UVA grad are fairly similar just with different high school grades.

Just my 2 cents thats probably worth even less.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Sep 8, 2010

Globalization is basically a euphemism for Asians. 10 years ago there were not that many foreign cultures within our university system. There are so few top tier institutions in China, India, Japan, etc... that all of those students try to make it to the United States now. Those demographics have become very overrepresented at some of the top schools. These days, if you're a young white male even a 1600 SAT/800 GMAT, experience, recs, GPA, etc.. will not be nearly enough when you're competing with the Far East cultures.

Sep 8, 2010
kingtut:

]These days, if you're a young white male even a 1600 SAT/800 GMAT, experience, recs, GPA, etc.. will not be nearly enough when you're competing with the Far East cultures.

Huh?

Sep 9, 2010
Nikkisixx:
kingtut:

]These days, if you're a young white male even a 1600 SAT/800 GMAT, experience, recs, GPA, etc.. will not be nearly enough when you're competing with the Far East cultures.

Huh?

I was rambling and started to talk about b schools.

Sep 8, 2010

complain that ivy undergrads have too many smart kids and that it's no longer the bastion for rich wasps who want to relax for 4 years while playing lacrosse

--->> how the F is that a bad thing? people are complaining that it's more meritocratic and fair ?

Sep 8, 2010

Irrelevant. I'm talking about colleges with preppy, silver spoon east coast white kids. Point is you're not really a born and bred, traditional aristocrat if you work hard enough to get into harvard.

Sep 8, 2010
prospie:

Irrelevant. I'm talking about colleges with preppy, silver spoon east coast white kids. Point is you're not really a born and bred, traditional aristocrat if you work hard enough to get into harvard.

Hmm, strange that you find this disconfirming evidence irrelevant when YOU were the one who introduced the demographics of WASPY Liberal Arts Colleges to the discussion in the first place.

Sep 8, 2010

foreign students are just better at math(only thing that means shit in college ) that is why they get accepted more
lets be honest shit taught in highschool in us are joke compared to iran

Sep 9, 2010

^^has to be a joke...

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Sep 9, 2010

Unfortunately it seems as though the IVY league schools are more or less going away from a classic WASPY American institution to a 21st century melting pot full of robotic Asians. Dont get me wrong I don't have much against Asians, it's just that many of them are boring as fuck to hang around with, and stick to themselves for the most part.

My GF's sister is a typical case. Stuyvesant Asian nerd who along with all her friends is going to these ivy schools. I've seen some of her friends they have the personality of a TI 83+. Speaking of STUY, has anyone seen the demographics lately? its heaven for a guy with a mild case of yellow fever.

Anyways, I've been a product of Public schools all my life so I have nothing at stake with HYP being less prestigious or whatever. Being good at math is one thing, but this country needs to groom future leaders, and not followers.

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Sep 9, 2010
Guest1655:

Unfortunately it seems as though the IVY league schools are more or less going away from a classic WASPY American institution to a 21st century melting pot full of robotic Asians. Dont get me wrong I don't have much against Asians, it's just that many of them are boring as fuck to hang around with, and stick to themselves for the most part.

My GF's sister is a typical case. Stuyvesant Asian nerd who along with all her friends is going to these ivy schools. I've seen some of her friends they have the personality of a TI 83+. Speaking of STUY, has anyone seen the demographics lately? its heaven for a guy with a mild case of yellow fever.

Anyways, I've been a product of Public schools all my life so I have nothing at stake with HYP being less prestigious or whatever. Being good at math is one thing, but this country needs to groom future leaders, and not followers.

The amount of stereotyping against Asians on this board is quite astounding and ignorant. I sometimes feel like you guys grew up in a trailer park in the deep south, whose exposure to minorities has been quite limited.

You assert that asians only stick with other asians. This is true for virtually all ethnic groups. Like it or not, people are tribal and want to hang out with those who are like them. If you really think whites are different in this regard and go out of their way to become friends with blacks, asians, latinos, etc., then you are completely mistaken.

Yes, there are a lot of asian math/science geeks at top schools. But there are plenty of others who excelled in other areas, like music, community service, leadership, etc. Since you went to a public college you probably didn't get that much exposure to well-rounded and accomplished asian-americans.

This country is changing. Get over it.

Sep 9, 2010
jjc1122:

The amount of stereotyping against Asians on this board is quite astounding and ignorant. I sometimes feel like you guys grew up in a trailer park in the deep south, whose exposure to minorities has been quite limited.

You assert that asians only stick with other asians. This is true for virtually all ethnic groups. Like it or not, people are tribal and want to hang out with those who are like them. If you really think whites are different in this regard and go out of their way to become friends with blacks, asians, latinos, etc., then you are completely mistaken.

Yes, there are a lot of asian math/science geeks at top schools. But there are plenty of others who excelled in other areas, like music, community service, leadership, etc. Since you went to a public college you probably didn't get that much exposure to well-rounded and accomplished asian-americans.

This country is changing. Get over it.

I am currently growing up in the deep south... if you call Houston that.. exposed to many asians, im black, some of my best friends in HS were asians. Many of them left to UT (here in Texas no one wants to spend ivy league money when UT is like 8k per semester), some to the ivy league. I can tell you that some of my asian best friends are the extremely nerdy and are not what one would call "socially conscious". Since HS however I have made not 1 azn friend, they stick together in packs, MORESO than usual with any other race, especially indians.

p.s. whats funny is the guy that left to Wharton was probably the chillest/coolest asian I hung out with, while the ones that went to UT are no where near what one would define as cool/sociable.

Sep 9, 2010
jjc1122:

The amount of stereotyping against Asians on this board is quite astounding and ignorant. I sometimes feel like you guys grew up in a trailer park in the deep south, whose exposure to minorities has been quite limited.

You assert that asians only stick with other asians. This is true for virtually all ethnic groups. Like it or not, people are tribal and want to hang out with those who are like them. If you really think whites are different in this regard and go out of their way to become friends with blacks, asians, latinos, etc., then you are completely mistaken.

Yes, there are a lot of asian math/science geeks at top schools. But there are plenty of others who excelled in other areas, like music, community service, leadership, etc. Since you went to a public college you probably didn't get that much exposure to well-rounded and accomplished asian-americans.

This country is changing. Get over it.

Believe me i got a lot of exposure to well-rounded,diligent,accomplished,successful, and beautiful Asian-Americans like yourself.

Sep 9, 2010

During my time at Penn, I noticed the girls in the classes below mine getting progressively hotter.

I don't understand the Asian-phobia on this thread. There are more Asians now than there were 50 years ago, but you can say that about any minority group. I met right-brained, outgoing people from all ethnic groups at Penn - they're not all math geeks.

The main purpose of elite schools is to bring together future leaders so that they may network and generate synergy with one another in future endeavors. The decline of WASP dominance at the Ivies is a natural consequence of leadership becoming racially integrated at every level. You will have people who are introverted science-types - from all ethnic groups - because those people are going to be leaders in their respective fields.

The chief asset you attain through an Ivy League education is your network - if you believe otherwise, you're missing the point entirely. That is something that has not and will not change.

Sep 9, 2010

^^^^ Asian in the thread

Sep 9, 2010
Anthony .:

^^^^ Asian in the thread

Yes I am. Asian-American men are the most discriminated group in this country. Ignorant buffoons think it's ok to spout off racist and ignorant comments about us.

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Sep 9, 2010

I think more schools carry the Ivy league cache. I also think there is more diversity. I don't see the big issue with the influx of Asian students (Chinese and India). If anything it is great. I couldn't think of a more wonderful first experience for a fresh immigrant then to come to the best universities this country has to offer.

As far as competition, there is more to business school than just perfect GMAT or SAT scores.

Sep 9, 2010

Relax man, I don't think being stereotyped as good in mathematics and going to top schools is such a bad thing.

I am sure black and mexican individuals would contest your statement lol

Sep 9, 2010

IKR Anthony, jjc1122 that statement about being the most discriminated group in America is terribly misguided.

Sep 9, 2010
BigBucks:

IKR Anthony, jjc1122 that statement about being the most discriminated group in America is terribly misguided.

Asian-American men don't get affirmative action. It's a fact that we are held to a much higher standard when it comes to admissions at elite schools, both at the undergrad and graduate levels. And on a more societal level, the media loves one-dimensional portrayals of Asian-American men as either math geeks or kung fu masters. Furthermore, it's somewhat socially acceptable to make fun of asians. If someone said anything disparaging about blacks, you better believe that they would get punished in no time.

Sep 9, 2010

The FOB's are inclusive and nerdy, but lets face it, English is a very hard language and when you come here for the 1st time it isn't always easy to make friends with people in totally different cultures. If you stuck me in China for school I am sure I would probably seek out some Americans to hang with.

I think Indian students probably have an advantage since they come from a former British colony so things are not that foreign to them. English is very common also which helps.

Asian and Indian people get picked on. They don't get stereotyped. The big difference is negative connotation.

I have a lot of Indian and Asian friends and the 2nd generation ones tend to be just like American kids. The ones right off the boat add a lot in opening your views to other countries and different foods, etc. They influence us as much as we influence them.

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  •  Sep 9, 2010

People are going to be the same regardless of races. One of my friends is Chinese, 5' 4", and has a fifteen inch spiked orange mohawk (very outgoing). Another is a pretty big nerd who is white.

In my experience, it is the people who are not natives of the U.S. (or another English speaking country) who have the hardest time having friends across different races. I am pretty sure it is because of the language barrier (for example, immigrant Asians would rather just hang out together speaking their native languages rather than struggling with their accents trying to make other friends) and not due to the pigment of their skin.

Sep 9, 2010

so because you dont get affirmative action due to the competitiveness within your own race, ur discriminated against?... if you want to talk about one dimensional portrayals go watch anything from Tyler Perry or BET, they have made pidgeon-holing black men/women into an entire/highly profitable industry. Ppl say disparaging things about black ppl all the time, idk what punishment you're referring to (Michael Richards go to jail for spamming the word nigger?). Difference between asians and blacks is when someone is stereotyping you they're saying you're great in school, especially math, when someone is stereotyping blacks its that we are great at gangbanging and selling drugs. You tell me which one is worse.

Sep 9, 2010
BigBucks:

so because you dont get affirmative action due to the competitiveness within your own race, ur discriminated against?... if you want to talk about one dimensional portrayals go watch anything from Tyler Perry or BET, they have made pidgeon-holing black men/women into an entire/highly profitable industry. Ppl say disparaging things about black ppl all the time, idk what punishment you're referring to (Michael Richards go to jail for spamming the word nigger?). Difference between asians and blacks is when someone is stereotyping you they're saying you're great in school, especially math, when someone is stereotyping blacks its that we are great at gangbanging and selling drugs. You tell me which one is worse.

I believe that affirmative action is racist, because it applies a different standard to people based on their ethnic background.

Blacks get tremendous institutional support for their causes, ranging from the NAACP to jackson and sharpton, to the media, and the Democratic Party.

Sep 9, 2010
jjc1122:

I believe that affirmative action is racist, because it applies a different standard to people based on their ethnic background.

Blacks get tremendous institutional support for their causes, ranging from the NAACP to jackson and sharpton, to the media, and the Democratic Party.

most democratic party policies are adressing our whole country, not just blacks, and is far more geared towards economic inequality rather than racial inequality, it just happens that there are far more poor blacks / hispanics than whites/ asians. the NAACP is a historic organization, but im sure there is an organization for the advancement of asian-american "causes" so I dont see your point. The NAACP is just more prominent due to history, as well as the fact that the american population is 2% asian compared to 12% black. As for affirmative action being "racist" that is up for much debate, I think it has more to do with that whole there are more poor blacks/hispanics than asians/whites, and if you didnt know.. poor people tend to do more shitty in school.

Sep 9, 2010

Italians get shit on, look at super mario brothers !! I am not a mustached plumber!!

Who cares, relax. It is all in good fun. Calling Asian people nerds and good at math is a lot better than the negative statements some people make about Muslims, Blacks and Hispanic people. Stop crying in your milk because 50% or more of all the top schools are Asian and Indian people (I refuse to call Indian people Asian regardless of the fact that it might be true).

Asian women are hot, probably the best import from that area since chinese food LOL

Sep 9, 2010

Yeah, when I see an Asian person on the street I don't think anything negative. Thats how you can tell when stereotypes are good or not.

Asian people have good PR people, really pushed that image nicely haha.

Sep 9, 2010

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Sep 9, 2010
trackstar2k2:

Affirmative actions isn't racist, the quota system is.

Poor people do worse in school because they don't have the make up to do well - that's why they are poor.

People who don't study do poorly in school...done. People who don't have the proper guidance/advice do poorly in life.

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Sep 9, 2010
trackstar2k2:

Affirmative actions isn't racist, the quota system is.

Poor people do worse in school because they don't have the make up to do well - that's why they are poor.

yea they are using non target make up such as L'Oreal, Covergil and Avon. Only the elite of the targets use hard cover , Chantecaille and Mary K

Sep 9, 2010

what do u mean by not having the "make up" to do well?

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