If I see another "Incoming IBD Analyst/Summer Analyst" on LinkedIn.. I'll k--l someone

Guys,
This is a serious and sincere plea to any of you undergraduate kids who're using these silly titles on their LinkedIn profiles. Please for god's sake, take this out. It just looks stupid and wannabe-ish. I don't know who started doing this and where, but it's just annoying to see. We get that you've received an IBD internship. We get that you're going to fancy shmancy investment bank. We also get that you worked really hard to get it and now you want to show it off to the world. But please... DON'T do this.

When Should You Update Your LinkedIn Title?

For all you wannabes who don't agree with me, think about the number of times you've come across someone's profile on LinkedIn who has an "Incoming Private Equity Associate at Carlyle/Blackstone/Blah Blah [insert PE fund here]" or an "Incoming Research Analyst at Viking/Lone Pine/Blah blah [insert HF] here". Never, right? Not once? Because its stupid and immature. Its ok if your internship or full time role starts in 6 months. Just fucking wait for it and you can happily update away on Day 1 of your dream job.

But What About Recruiters?

....And finally, for anyone who pulls up the "I'm doing this for recruiters" argument, calm your tits. It can wait. You can start networking with headhunters the day you enter your IB gigs.

Please be mature about this. I beg you.

- JD

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Apr 22, 2016 - 12:41am

Also, I have gotten emails from undergraduate students with the signature saying "Incoming Summer Analyst"... in your email signature?? Really??

But they're usually the people who include their school/major/minor/certificate/whatever-anyone-who-didn't-go-to-your-school-wouldn't-know and also their leadership roles in campus clubs on their signature. Some people just need validation in that form.

 
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Apr 22, 2016 - 12:21pm

In those situations, I give kids the benefit of the doubt -- they're young and probably excited to show others what they've accomplished thus far. I did once receive an email with a legal disclaimer (the ones that go "CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: this email including any attachments is intended only for the use of the individual or entity...") from a college junior. Who was writing from their university email. Where they manually and consciously put that signature in. For every email in our correspondence. That was just bizarre.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 3:21am

Agreed!

"There's nothing you can do if you're too scared to try." - Nickel Creek
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Apr 22, 2016 - 12:14am

Why do you care? With all due respect, you're not a recruiter nor have you fully considered the situation. I personally have no experience with getting early recruiter traction but know a few people who have because they listed they were incoming analysts. The fact is that LinkedIn is a networking and branding tool. To be doing anything less than maximizing its utility is foolish. Getting a passive leg up on your competition is always good.

Also, who in their right mind would list incomming PE/research analyst while they are employed by another firm? Apples to oranges comparison.

However, I agree with the comment that putting silly titles in your email sig is too much. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 5:13am

If life--and perception--were merely a calculus equation to be balanced/maximized, you'd be right.

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Apr 22, 2016 - 3:03pm

The problem for me is what it says to your company: that you're already looking for the exits before you even start working there.

After all, isn't the main point of this to impress recruiters?

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Apr 22, 2016 - 3:20am

I've never really cared about this, nor anybody else should. However, just for amusement purposes, I've actually seen people with "Incoming Spring Week Analyst" titles. "Springs Weeks" is a UK phenomenon, so for those of you who don't know it's basically when you spend 2-10 days at a bank shadowing people, going to presentations etc. during spring time of first year university.

 
Apr 25, 2016 - 2:21pm

Hey man, Don't talk shit about Southwest Dakota State University. It's on the target list; I heard it's a main feeder for some top megafunds...

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Apr 22, 2016 - 3:35am

It's just a way for college kids to boast about their accomplishments. You'd be surprised by how many posts I see on Facebook starting with: "I'm so happy to announce that I will be interning at..." People simply want recognition and social media provides an outlet for them to get it. Those who don't do such things are usually annoyed by those who do.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 4:37am

I can see why it upsets you but let the people enjoy their achievements. It gets funny when, like mentioned above, people put Incoming Spring Week Intern etc on LinkedIn. Or when they use the title for incoming SA in December.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 5:10am

It does reek a bit of insecurity and validation seeking. It's just follow the herd mentality. I also find it a bit strange that people feel the need to put "MBA" or "CFA" after their name. IMO if you're currently attending college and not doing an summer internship, just write "Student at _____ College"

The reason why you don't see "Incoming Associate at _____" is because they're still employed somewhere else whereas many never put school as their title as they believe it should always be something employment based.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 11:20am

SF_G:

It does reek a bit of insecurity and validation seeking. It's just follow the herd mentality. I also find it a bit strange that people feel the need to put "MBA" or "CFA" after their name. IMO if you're currently attending college and not doing an summer internship, just write "Student at _____ College"

The reason why you don't see "Incoming Associate at _____" is because they're still employed somewhere else whereas many never put school as their title as they believe it should always be something employment based.


I have no problem with people who put "CFA" after their names; they earned it and it is no different than people who put "FSA" after their names in insurance. Those tests suck and took up a large part of your life, no shame in putting the letters up you earned.
MBA I agree with you; it is not a degree that has traditionally gotten you letters; it shouldn't now. No masters degree does. It is even more cringe-worthy when you look at their resume and the MBA is from somewhere like "Quendelton State U" or "Degree Mill By Mail"
 
Apr 23, 2016 - 12:43am

GuyFawkes:

SF_G:

It does reek a bit of insecurity and validation seeking. It's just follow the herd mentality. I also find it a bit strange that people feel the need to put "MBA" or "CFA" after their name. IMO if you're currently attending college and not doing an summer internship, just write "Student at _____ College"The reason why you don't see "Incoming Associate at _____" is because they're still employed somewhere else whereas many never put school as their title as they believe it should always be something employment based.

I have no problem with people who put "CFA" after their names; they earned it and it is no different than people who put "FSA" after their names in insurance. Those tests suck and took up a large part of your life, no shame in putting the letters up you earned.
MBA I agree with you; it is not a degree that has traditionally gotten you letters; it shouldn't now. No masters degree does. It is even more cringe-worthy when you look at their resume and the MBA is from somewhere like "Quendelton State U" or "Degree Mill By Mail"

Sil:

CFA, CPA, CFP, etc. are designations earned. I think they belong after a name. I do agree with you about MBAs, though. That should not follow a name.

From perusing LinkedIn, it's pretty individual dependent (those who put the CFA letters after their name if they're a charterholder and those who don't). Some just put it as one line on a resume. Of course, outside of finance nobody is going to know what "Joe Blow, CFA" or "Joe Blow, CAIA" is going to mean. On a side note, I had a teacher in HS who earned a PhD from nowhere important in nothing special and got pissed whenever a student would call him "mister" instead of "doctor." I thought he was just a stuck up douche.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 5:13am

One thing that annoys me is when college students put "President & CEO at (some $50 business they created)"

Or they're part of the school's investment club and their title is "Portfolio Manager at (name of mickey mouse school fund)"

It's just cringeworthy.

 
Apr 25, 2016 - 2:30pm

I did an entrepreneurial thing early in college (yet didn't view it as a long-term thing), and the only fear I had about it was that employers for next the summer might think I did it because I wasn't good enough to get a "real" internship and had to resort to doing that instead. Never bothered calling myself "CEO" or some "head honcho" equivalent though.

For VC's (those who recruit SA's or entry-level analysts) it might be okay, but for those wanting to do IB I'd probably limit something like that to freshman summer, if at all. Somewhat unfortunately, if you don't follow the cookie-cutter path starting no later than sophomore summer they'll just think whatever you did is weird and irrelevant. Naturally the most successful SA candidates at BB's and EB's have already had IB experience.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 3:39pm

That's not bad, that's just boss.

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Dec 8, 2019 - 4:48pm

Do these people not understand that it's obvious that you'll take the best offer that you get?

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Apr 22, 2016 - 10:06am

>Hire a bunch of wannabes and showoffs
>Complain about the fact they are wannabes and showoffs

Something is wrong in the IBD culture.

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Apr 22, 2016 - 10:40am

I can see both sides of the issue. When I first got my offer, I was really proud but resisted the douche temptation. Then people started asking what I would be doing after graduation, and I felt this would just be a good cover. I didn't want people in my network to think I was unable to score anything....

I got an email from HR a few weeks ago telling me to update my title as future analyst, or whatever. So really, it seems like most banks are advocating for people to do it. Not just some point of pride or one-upmanship.

 
Apr 23, 2016 - 12:20pm

This is my situation. I'm graduating in 2 weeks and signed for a job back in October. I don't want to be a try-hard and put anything in my title, but I also don't want my network to think I couldn't land anything.
Someone else made the point that later in life, you don't put "incoming associate at ____" because you currently have a job. People do it in college because they don't have a job yet. I think that's spot on.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 2:15pm

Wow this thread really took off. Its amazing to see people on here think its ok to have one of these titles. Anyway, to each his own. Go ahead and use those titles, no one can stop you from doing so. But no one can stop me from telling you its silly. Be hungry, but be mature and humble about it. If for any reason, an offer does gets rescinded, then you can end up looking like an idiot. May not happen today due to frothy markets but it certainly did during the crisis - its happened to enough of us on this forum. My point to these kids is I don't think it attracts the right kind of attention/validation you're seeing. There's just limited upside to this maneuver and unlimited downside.

For the guy who thought I did this because had a "buyside exit opp", I'm way beyond that bro, I'm not 22. The point there was to really convey I've worked for a few years at different types of firms and I haven't seen this be appreciated anywhere.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 2:36pm

I absolutely want to give credit to everyone whose secured these internships/offers. They've busted their ass to get these, networked like crazy, studied hard for interviews and all that good stuff. I don't want to confuse my post to be a rant about the fact that "you kids are celebrating your offer way too much". Of course they should celebrate. But I think its not the best move to put it on LinkedIn, just appears silly.

Anyway, for all those who disagree, go ahead and wear it proudly. Not trying to pick a fight here. Was just making a recommendation based on experience but what do I know.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 2:33pm

It is more of a update than bragging rights - at least that's why they tell us to do it, believe me I felt douchey putting it up but all my fancy networking friends told me it's the move.

LinkedIn isn't for bragging, it is to stay in touch. The reason I did that once was because: it isn't as if I would email every contact I have and let them know what is going on.

Also you'd be surprised how many headhunters look for that title and reach out to you alarmingly early.

If a "incoming" post on LInkedIn is the most annoying thing you have seen all day, you must be having a pretty good day.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 5:53pm

This. This. This.

Why do people argue with people who are much, much, closer to the mindset of those making offer/ding decisions?

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Apr 22, 2016 - 3:29pm

Incoming summer party analyst here. Should I include photos of sailboat to my CV for prestige points?

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Apr 22, 2016 - 6:01pm

Aren't there any superstitous folks out there? Kind of like when a pitcher is in the midst of pitching a no-hitter and everybody does not dare to mention it. Just my thoughts on this.

 
Apr 22, 2016 - 9:07pm

So true. Why is there so much MS?? I still don't understand why some people do this... I'm an analyst, so I'm not far removed from college days, but I still cringe when I see the "incoming" title. However, it's become so prevalent some people think it's the norm.

Deals / experience matter when it comes to buyside opps, so getting early recruiter traction isn't a good reason to list. In fact, if early recruiter traction is what you want, be proactive and contact the recruiter after you started. And yes, if you want to brand yourself on LinkedIn, feel free to put the "incoming" title up... just keep in mind you may be branding yourself as a tool. IMHO, maximizing the utility of LinkedIn ≠ "incoming" title.

My two cents: If you haven't experienced it, don't list it under your experience... on LinkedIn, resume, etc.

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Apr 22, 2016 - 10:29pm

To be honest, I currently have this on my LinkedIn profile. I start in a couple months and I have used the title to connect/network with some people at the bank who would have other wise not have gotten back to me. People don't really care what you say in a message on linkedIn, they just go straight to your profile and look at your qualifications. (We all do it, just admit it) Having something on my profile that says "Hey, I will actually be working with you for the next two years, maybe I'm worth the time to speak to" helps a lot. I agree with you that 'Incoming Summer Analyst' and 'Incoming IBD Analyst for 2020' are a pretty ridiculous, but sometimes they can honestly help get your name in the door at some places. Just my thoughts.

 
Apr 23, 2016 - 9:32am

I love how people are saying it is a way to "update your status" on linkedin, bro you can wait till you actually start and put the summer analyst title on linkedin then. It is cringeworthy as OP says and it is a way for douchey insecures to social media brag. Social media bragging is an obsession that has corrupted my generation like a bad infection, I can't stand it. I do not have an instagram, I do not have a twitter, I do not snap-chat, I am the only one I know in my age range (22-28) that doesn't do these things. I am a generally private person and these platforms are mostly used for dick-measuring... I am confident in the size of my dick and don't need to compare.

p.s. who the hell decides these "best responses"? Half of them are just awful, how does a "best response" have more MS than Silver bananas?

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Apr 23, 2016 - 2:06pm

dan_yo23 the fact you think your network is judging you for potentially not having an offer while you are still in school says it all. You aren't that special. The people you added on linked-in are not that worried about some student potentially having an offer. They also do not care that you're an "incoming" anything. Once you get on the job use the title, that is it.

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Apr 23, 2016 - 3:13pm

Kids will be kids, man. It's not unusual for people to be insecure or care about the positive judgments of others in their youth. I know I did and still do to some degree. At 21/22, most are still practically babies. For those who are not, feel blessed that you can do things that you enjoy without worrying about what other people want for/from you. Isn't that what it's all about?

 
Apr 24, 2016 - 1:23pm

This is a non-issue. No one I've spoken to (all experienced bankers in LDN) gives a damn about whether you put incoming analyst or not.

In fact, my friends that HAVE put it are getting attention from recruiters.

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Apr 25, 2016 - 5:26am

You're a fucking student, shut the fuck up. It doesn't fucking matter who you've spoken with.

I used to think some of you were trolls, then I realized trolls couldn't act as dumb the way you guys come onto Certified posted threads like this and think what you do is somehow better.

Stop defending what you do. Bottom line, your shit stinks, and a college student like you should stop fanning it. While you're at it, don't forget to ask for that BJ from the shit-tier recruiter that just reached out to you. Yeah, that dude, and the other 25 people in the same firm.

 
Apr 24, 2016 - 6:19pm

A few posters have referred to being contacted by recruiters on LinkedIn.

I hope they realise that the "recruiters" who cold connect via LinkedIn are the bottom feeders in the industry. The type who aggregate as many resumes as they can and fire them out to every job opportunity, hoping something will hit a target.

(In case you think this is a good thing - it is not a good thing at all. It is, in fact, a bad and dangerous thing. Pro-tip - always take care which recruiters you give your resume to and be very explicit, in writing, that no copy should be provided to anyone else without your explicit, written permission. Even then, don't trust recruiters. Perhaps we can start a thread some day about how many recruiters can and will fuck you over as they chase their commissions and how good recruiters are rare and valuable and don't cold contact via LinkedIn.)

Having a recruiter "reach out" to you via LinkedIn due to your incoming title is no badge of honour.

Treating it like a positive is a badge of naïvete.

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Apr 26, 2016 - 5:32pm

In my view, the main dangers are:

  1. Your resume gets heavily shopped to every opportunity, regardless of whether you're a good fit or not. The risk then is that HR departments/other screeners get used to seeing your resume, it gets tired and you get vetted out of roles that you could have been a good fit for.

  2. Your resume gets heavily shopped, word gets around and eventually gets back to your employers, particularly when you may not be seriously looking to move. The person shopping your resume is a recruiter under pressure to builder a network, make budget and desperate to make his/her commission. They'll be happy (consciously or subconsciously) to shop your resume to look like they have quality product in their portfolio, build their network. They'll happily gamble that an employer may like the look of your resume and you may just be interested in that opportunity. They can come back to you and spin it like they found the opportunity first and are bringing it to you.

I'm sure there are others. It comes down to the incentives in this situation. You're putting yourself at the mercy of a broker who is incentivised to sell you ASAP.

Some good brokers will realise that they make the best commissions by selling quality and will be selective in how they shop you.

However, when you're an intern (let alone an "incoming" intern), you are not quality. You are a commodity.

You are a lump of clay with a high opinion of itself which has the potential to be shaped into something decent. Typically, that process takes 2 years at the grad level. That is, we see grads as only breaking even around the 2 year mark, where the value they add exceeds their all-in cost (ie salary, seat, the associated support staff etc).

So any recruiter who is shopping you before you've been in the the job for at 18 - 24 months is not shopping you around the market on a quality proposition basis. They are shopping you as a low quality, commodity product.

Bear in mind that recruiters make commissions based on your salary. So not only are they shopping you as a commodity product, you don't produce much of a price for them.

How do you make revenue off that sort of product? A high volume of transactions, shooting at every target and hoping something hits. So you and the thousands of other "incoming" interns receiving the same pro forma LinkedIn in-mail are just part of a volume strategy.

Why would you want to trust your resume and your reputation to a recruiter with that sort of strategy? How much time do you think a recruiter with that strategy will honestly spend caring about your future when you don't generate much revenue for them?

I'd like to hear from recruiters who "reach out" to interns on LinkedIn but be less than dodgy. It's possible that they are playing a long game and looking to cultivate a relationship that will pay off after a few years.

However, I doubt the great number of recruiters contacting via LinkedIn really have that strategy, particularly when their greeting messages are bland, detail-free pro forma messages.

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Apr 26, 2016 - 7:06pm

SSits:

A few posters have referred to being contacted by recruiters on LinkedIn.

I hope they realise that the "recruiters" who cold connect via LinkedIn are the bottom feeders in the industry. The type who aggregate as many resumes as they can and fire them out to every job opportunity, hoping something will hit a target.

(In case you think this is a good thing - it is not a good thing at all. It is, in fact, a bad and dangerous thing. Pro-tip - always take care which recruiters you give your resume to and be very explicit, in writing, that no copy should be provided to anyone else without your explicit, written permission. Even then, don't trust recruiters. Perhaps we can start a thread some day about how many recruiters can and will fuck you over as they chase their commissions and how good recruiters are rare and valuable and don't cold contact via LinkedIn.)

Having a recruiter "reach out" to you via LinkedIn due to your incoming title is no badge of honour.

Treating it like a positive is a badge of naivete.

All of this. Any time I get a connection request from a 3rd party recruiter from somewhere I haven't heard of with like 10,000+ connections, I say thanks but no thanks. I'd say getting contacted on LinkedIn by an internal recruiter from a (reputable) firm would be a good sign, though. But still be cautious.

 
Apr 25, 2016 - 6:07am

I had never even heard of the concept of "Incoming ____ Position" until I came across it on WSO. It's one of the more ridiculous and embarrassing ideas I've heard so far. I know WSO will supply me with something more ridiculous if I just keep reading.

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Apr 25, 2016 - 12:21pm

Agree with what others have said - it's frankly ridiculous. You're still unemployed and still have none of the skills you'll develop as an analyst.

To those of you saying "I know X people have had recruiters reach out to them" - recruiters emailing you means absolutely nothing. When you have a job you'll have 5 of them email you every single day. Also, what is the advantage of a recruiter emailing you because of an "incoming" status? Are you already looking to leave a job you've probably worked really hard to secure?

There's nothing wrong with being excited and proud of securing an internship / full time job - in fact you should be. However, do realise that to most other people it looks a bit stupid.

Apr 25, 2016 - 12:49pm

One day i'm gonna list myself as "Incoming Managing Director _______, CFA". Haters gonna hate, lol. On a serious note Linkedin is a giant douchebag brothel and yeah I'm a part of it.

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Apr 25, 2016 - 12:49pm

I wonder if WSO has the power to reverse this trend???

Personally, I think it's a bit try hard as well...if the banks are encouraging incoming analysts to do it, then I don't really blame the college kids, but I think there is minimal benefit and more potential harm (kids, take note, if most Certified Users think it looks bad, why would you risk other bankers or your contacts thinking it also looks douchy? Hint: DONT LISTEN TO HR)...

I think once you start and change your status, you will get contacted by plenty of (reputable) recruiters...personally, I wouldn't update my LinkedIn until I was actually working on the job.

The people that are actually close to you (in your network), you should have sent personal thank yous and an update when you landed the internship anyways... so the other people that are "in your network" likely don't care and will have plenty of time to be impressed when you change your title to "Intern at bank"...

This reminds me of some clients we get that over embellish on their cover letters and/or resumes in an attempt to impress. I can tell you that sometimes understating and showing some humility can go much, much further impressing professionals that already work on Wall St.

Either way, I don't think it's a huge deal...just personal preference I guess - I honestly wouldn't mind if I was still in banking. It does give you a little bit of insight into what an intern will be like, right? :-)

 
Apr 25, 2016 - 1:08pm

Three quick points:

1.) The point of a summer internship is to get a full time offer
2.) Those Associates and VPs who think "incoming intern" looks stupid (as well as those who are Ok with it) are the people who will be making FT offer decisions.
3.) Its great that you are an incoming SA at Lazard or Blackstone or wherever, but if you have to interview at Citi for a FT job, it's better to have been a summer analyst at Blair and gotten an offer than to have been at Lazard and gotten dinged. So I would not get excited and put it on your resume just yet-- wait until you get the FT offer*.

*: If we have another 2008/2009, force majeur gets declared on the signaling system. IE everyone knew why a Lehman summer intern was interviewing at Accenture.

 
Apr 25, 2016 - 2:03pm

I think "summer Analyst" is important. Yes for recruiters, but it also says I am FO IBD. Not Operations. Not Valuations. Not some trading support function. I am FO IBD. Those are the only roles I have seen labeled as Summer Analyst, and it is an important distinction, both to recruiters and for potential lateraling after summer.

You probably know better, but at the end of the day, maybe you would be better off if you took a nap. I understand working on the street can kind of make you a little bit crazy about things like this that don't matter or affect you at all.

 
Apr 25, 2016 - 2:15pm

college kids really need to chill out these days...

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Apr 25, 2016 - 3:14pm

So back on HR.

Back in the day when analysts had to walk up hill both ways to get to work, and dinosaurs roamed the earth (and would party at the Pink Elephant), HR used to compile these things called facebooks (lower case f) with resumes, photos, email addresses and contact info, and send out email blasts to the interns. This approach promoted internal networking without external bragging.

It's also helpful to remind people that not everyone is getting an offer and there are some hurt feelings about that, so don't be uncouth. I know HR wants to be cheerleaders for the firm, but there are probably some third or fourth order effects that drive away business and talent.

 
Apr 25, 2016 - 9:01pm

Patrick, I'm not going to say things were better back in the day, but so much of this bullshit never happened. It was far easier to deal with people before Linkdin and social media became such a de reguire necessity. I mean, seriously, I wonder what kids today would say if they worked 10 years ago without a Linkdin. Hell, I remember when cell phones were actually used as cell phones and you couldn't browse the web on them.

WSO will always have some finger on the pulse. It's our job to stop stupidity from happening where we can.

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Apr 25, 2016 - 9:14pm

For the record you guys are misdirecting your complaints. Kids do that, just like they put their their mickey mouse funds experience because that's what makes them stand out in the competition for the recruiters attention.

When top management will tell HR ''stop hiring tryhards and showoff'' then you won't see kids doing that anymore.

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Apr 25, 2016 - 10:15pm

neink:
that's what makes them stand out in the competition for the recruiters attention

Yes, but what type of recruiters?

The most similar situation I can think of is where some young 15 year old girl starts developing breasts and discovers social media at the same time. She posts photos displaying her new endowments on the internet, then rushes to tell her friends about 'all these hot guys' who are now 'reaching out' to her. She relishes the attention.

I'm not saying that these young SAs-to-be will wind up internet-dating a 46 year old guy who lives in his parents basement and will later find themselves chained up in his secret, Cheetos-smeared pleasure dungeon and shitting into an old ice cream container. But the naivete underlying this sort of bragging, and the risks in relishing this sort of cheap/no value attention, is not too dissimilar.

As for the view that one needs to let one's network know - if it's your university network, it's just bragging.

If it's your 'network' in the professional world, generally they do not care. Professionals do not check LinkedIn with anything near the regularity that university kids check facebook. I would go on LinkedIn perhaps once every two months to see how many pending contacts I have racked up, unless it's specifically checking the profile of someone I'm doing business with. Like many banks, my bank has neutered the messaging system within LinkedIn, as that's a compliance issue. I don't bother looking at my feed because it is full of self-promoting shittery from a few of the wide range of people I've met professionally and eventually invited or been invited by. Imagine your FB feed dominated solely by the most crap, chemtrails/anti-vaxxer posting contacts, but instead they are linking to "thought pieces" (or worse, something they just read on ZeroHedge) which demonstrates they are fucking idiots.

Not because everyone on LinkedIn is a fucking idiot. But because those who try to use it as a platform for spreading views etc generally are idiots, desperate, narcissists or some combination of the three. Most sensible professionals just use LinkedIn so others can stalk their backgrounds before/after meetings. Most sensible bankers work at sensible banks which have a media/communications policy which clearly says don't publish shit on any platform in your professional persona without multiple internal sign offs.

As someone mentioned above, once you're working, you'll find recruiters "reaching out" to you all the time on LinkedIn. This is not a badge of honour. It's like being proud that you reply e-mailed to some spam and now get hundreds of CHeaP V!agRA e-mails every day (hey, they recognise that I have lots of sex!).

With very few exceptions, recruiters who contact summer analysts (actual or "incoming") are not the sort of recruiters you want to do business with.

If you get all excited and proud of your achievement when you get LinkedIn in-mails from recruiters who have noticed your "incoming" status and are full of flattering comments about how impressive your profile is - congratulations, you're a dumb mark and have fallen for cheap sales tactics. It's the social media equivalent of a cold call from a boiler room.

On the whole "kids these days" grumpy old man theme - I went to university in an era where there was no social media, barely any cellphones, modems ran on 14.4 and 28.8kbps, you had to wait 5 minutes for a porno jpeg to download and only a few people had e-mail addresses. Our only option for bragging was to tell people individually.

That individual, personal contact made the realisation that we were bragging far more obvious.

Coming up with self-deluding justifications for why this bragging was not really bragging was far harder. Self-awareness was generally harder to avoid and narcissism in oneself was easier to identify.

Social media seems to have made it far harder for self-awareness to pierce the narcissism that a lot of social media lives off. People are far more concerned about looking into the mirror to see the image they project to the world than to self-reflect.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, post threads about how to do it on WSO.
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Apr 26, 2016 - 1:24am

Isn't that kind of the point of LinkedIn, though? Putting up titles that indicate where the person's going to be working, and in what capacity? Yeah , maybe the "I'm doing this for recruiters" argument isn't entirely true, but LinkedIn is the one social media site that people can really use to show off what they've accomplished professionally, right?

 
Apr 26, 2016 - 4:52pm

In all honesty, it isn't as bad to put the "incoming ib analyst" tag on linkedin, although, I personally don't support the idea. What i've seen that truly disturbs me is some people putting S&T trader @ Citi or TMT Banker @ GS in their personal social media profile that they use for casual interactions. I feel like Instagram, facebook, twitter, etc are your social media accounts that should not be tied up or reveal your professional status because that's when you cross the line and begin to become obsessive. People who do this look elitist and pretentious. People need to learn that everyone should not admire you for coveting a highly selective position in a competitive, cut throat industry. Be happy with yourself and acknowledge the good work you've done. Seeking validation from someone is for the weak, and it will hold you back in your career.

Finance
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Apr 28, 2016 - 8:49pm

Dear all Certified Users and everyone who is actually working,

As one of the college students, I apologize for my generation's stupidity--especially on behalf of those who believe cold contact from recruiters is a positive sign when all of you have said that they are nothing but empty oases.

Please do not stop from providing insights to those of us who do respect your time on here and take your advice.

Sincerely,
a monkey trying to be a human

 
Apr 27, 2016 - 5:50pm

Do not see the problem that it makes people look elitist- who cares?

The real issue is that it makes you look like a socially awkward dude that doesn't realize how he comes off to other people. Agree with everything else.

 
Apr 27, 2016 - 6:28pm

Social awkwardness hinders you in terms of career progression and personal relationships. I personally wouldn't want to grab a beer or let alone work on any project with someone whose value was attached to their professional status or pedigree. Having interest and hobbies outside of work are important. There should be more to you than your occupation.

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Apr 28, 2016 - 10:06am

fuckgridlines:

Do not see the problem that it makes people look elitist- who cares?

The real issue is that it makes you look like a socially awkward dude that doesn't realize how he comes off to other people. Agree with everything else.


Im not sure how you get from elitism being ok to not realizing how you come off to others being a problem.

There should be more to you than your occupation, unless you are one of the suckers who work in IBD which makes that impossible

FTFY
 
Apr 27, 2016 - 6:09pm

Why is there so much concern over what an incoming summer analyst does on their free time? I agree that it is a fairly immature but it's really none of my concern or anyone else's.

If an incoming SA put "incoming SA" on their LinkedIn profile, then I'm sure their immaturity will show during the summer. At that point, these kids can be weeded out of the crowd. No need to get all worked up over a kid when you have actual work to do and an actual life to live. On the other hand, if a SA puts "incoming analyst" after securing an offer, then that probably speaks volumes on the type of people that particular bank/group represents.

The bottom line is mind your own business. If you have so much concern over a kid you barely know, you probably don't have much work to do or don't have a life beyond getting worked up a line on someone's LinkedIn profile.

 
Apr 28, 2016 - 9:49am

h3dgehog:

Why is there so much concern over what an incoming summer analyst does on their free time? I agree that it is a fairly immature but it's really none of my concern or anyone else's.

If an incoming SA put "incoming SA" on their LinkedIn profile, then I'm sure their immaturity will show during the summer. At that point, these kids can be weeded out of the crowd. No need to get all worked up over a kid when you have actual work to do and an actual life to live. On the other hand, if a SA puts "incoming analyst" after securing an offer, then that probably speaks volumes on the type of people that particular bank/group represents.

The bottom line is mind your own business. If you have so much concern over a kid you barely know, you probably don't have much work to do or don't have a life beyond getting worked up a line on someone's LinkedIn profile.


I would just point out that while outside of work, it affects your team.

Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but let me sketch out the potential problem:

First order: kid puts "incoming analyst" on his profile.
Second order: his classmates who didn't get offers feel bad; your team gets associated with a douchebag or looks like douchebags in their minds
Third order: his classmates later graduate and succeed elsewhere
Fourth order: when you are trying to get business from those classmates in five or ten years, or trying to recruit talent, they remember how your team made them feel.

I think you have a point that it's outside of work but Id just point out that it still affects how people perceive your firm and your team to an extent.

 
May 2, 2016 - 5:20pm

whiterabbit:

I saw incoming president of xxx club at school. You'll never guess how far will this trend go.


I don't think I understand. So these 'incomings' haven't even gotten full time offers yet? I mean, because if they did then I could at least make sense of it-- everybody in that class can see who else is going to be in the same division, they can network between each other, etc., but you make it sound like these people don't even have a position offered and are basically putting 'aspiring x' as their job title. That's more concerning!
 
Apr 29, 2016 - 2:57pm

I put it as my title BC I want my future colleagues to accept my invitations on linkedin easier when I add them for networking purposes before internship starts. Is it that WRONG?
People who work in IBD or trading do not have much time to view your request. They will probably just ignore it if your title is student at xxx university.

 
Apr 29, 2016 - 3:47pm

Wow... This is a really long thread for something that started out as good advice from Certified Users.

Incoming Analyst is already pretty bad, but incoming SA is just ridiculous and looks toolish. You could easily just mention that you'll be joining so and so bank for full time in your email or message, or that you'll be a summer colleague if you really can't wait that long to connect when you're actually an intern... Though it does look like you're trying to set yourself up for something else before even starting your summer and being focused on landing the offer or getting to know the bank you'll be at.

 
Apr 29, 2016 - 5:45pm

I started this as a serious discussion, and its unfortunate to see some of the justifications from undergrads that have it on their profiles. They're so bad, it's ridiculous. Anyway, there's no point ranting on about it further, I've made my point. Once you guys actually join the workforce and have been working a few months, you'll soon realize yourself how silly it was. We can only advise and we mean well, but if you guys don't want to take it, don't, no one's forcing you to.

 
Apr 29, 2016 - 10:11pm

OP is just calling it like it is. And him stating his track is simply so younger posters (many of whom are likely targeting BB-->PE-->HF) are aware that this person is speaking from the perspective of others like him who 1) have been in young monkeys' shoes, and 2) are now sitting on the other side of the table and are the very associates/VPs that are screening young candidates (re: the gatekeepers).

If someone from the industry/sector you eventually want to be in is telling you the shit you're doing is stupid, then it's pretty safe to say that it's valid advice and you should stop doing said shit.

 
May 1, 2016 - 2:48am

I take it to another level.
If you take a look at my LinkedIn profile you will see: Lieutenant to MD of ER @ BAML

I am disgusted by you treacherous old baby boomers who prey on the youth. I am coming for your chair and I am very hungry. You best defend it with your life instead of wasting precious time (which you don't have much of) in order to criticize the future.

What concert costs 45 cents? 50 Cent feat. Nickelback.

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May 1, 2016 - 3:38pm

This thread is funny.

I can see why people would say that updating your LI headline to say "Incoming Analyst at ___" is douchey.

In the tech sector, particularly as a software engineer, it's almost necessary to update the headline. I signed an internship offer in early November of my junior year, and I updated my headline only after quite literally getting several LinkedIn messages a week from various tech recruiters asking to have a phone chat about their company. That's just the way things work in software engineering.

 
May 1, 2016 - 9:56pm

I had no idea this creates such a negative perception in the eyes of Associates/VPs. I made my LinkedIn title Incoming IB SA simply because everyone else at my school does -- I thought it was normal. After reading this though, I changed it to "Student at XX." Thanks for posting this OP, I didn't realize it seemed so douchey. Hopefully no one in my group saw my old title, haha.

 
May 2, 2016 - 11:42am

Commented on this already about how putting 'incoming analyst / SA' etc on LinkedIn is pretty stupid, but seems there's a lot of students talking about how 'recruiters are reaching out to them' or its for 'networking with people in the team they'll be joining'. Let me explain what (at least for me) I think when various forms of connection come in and what recruiters do.

  1. Random student / "incoming intern" adds me on LinkedIn - If you're actually joining my group, I'll probably leave it until you actually join and get to know you. If you're a nice person and good at your job, I'll accept. If not, I probably won't be seeing you again so I'll just leave it. If you're not joining my group or firm, it probably gets declined. I have so many other things going on in my life which in all honesty puts your LinkedIn request to the bottom of my priority pile.

  2. Random student / "incoming intern" emails me - If your email is over-keen and asking for loads of detail, it goes in the 'to do' folder. I will have genuine intentions of getting back to you during my next quiet morning, but inevitably it gets forgotten. You follow up a few times (no more than once a week) and if I'm in a good mood I finally reply with some helpful information. If I'm in a bad mood or didn't like your email, it moves from 'to do' to 'Deleted'.

If you send me a very brief (2-3 sentence) email saying you're interested in learning more about the job or are starting something soon and want to meet for coffee or a beer, I'll reply straightaway. If you're a nice guy and not cringe-worthy keen when I meet you, I'll be happy to answer any further questions you have or help you out. If you seem like a socially-inept try hard, you won't be hearing from me again.

  1. You suddenly get recruiters wanting to 'reach out' or 'keep in touch over the next 12 months'. These recruiters have the ominous 500+ connections and are very vague, something like "your profile fits well with the type of roles I recruit for". These people have a massive database of everyone who ticks their boxes and for every job they get in, they ask every single person they have connected to so they can get a shortlist of 10-25 to send to their client. These recruiters are not contacting you because you are special or impressive, they just want to fill spaces in potential interview slots.

TL;DR - If you actually want to help your case with someone in the industry, be very brief and ask if they're free for a coffee or beer. Offer to pay and graciously accept when they insist. Buy the second round of beers. Recruiters are bottom-feeders and don't care about you and them getting in touch means nothing.

May 2, 2016 - 6:30pm

Just FYI, some banks have linkedin groups for summer analysts, and they ask us to update our linkedins so we could get approval to join the group.

I doubt all banks do, the one I'll be joining for the summer certainly did though.

 
May 2, 2016 - 7:28pm

I'd be very, very curious to know which bank does that... Is this BB? Upper-tier MM?
When I did my SA, HR had the complete list of all incoming interns and invited us automatically to the Linkedin group.
Btw I agree with everything said above: I cringe every time I see the "incoming SA," just because it sounds very toolish and insecure. Update that profile when you're a few weeks in on the job.

 
May 2, 2016 - 8:19pm

It's BB. Everyone has their own experiences with their different SA programs depending on their bank and year. Not all BB does it the same way nor do banks never change the way they do things.

We were given links of the linkedin groups and we had to ask to join the groups on the webpage.

I do agree with you that sometimes people are doing it to flex, but this does not necessarily apply to some.

 
Jul 1, 2016 - 4:21pm

I don't totally agree with this post.

I was one of those 'douchey kids' who posted 'incoming analyst at X'. A part of it was, as people talked about, to 'verify status'. At my school, all of the prospective IB kids know each other/judge each other, and nearly everyone posts 'incoming summer analyst at X' when they get the offer - it's just a social construct from that perspective. Also, yes, that does include an incoming analyst at Blackstone.

Also, "I'm doing this for the recruiters" is a valid point. I didn't do it for the recruiters - I did it because 60 other kids from my school were and I wanted to prove that I was good enough to all of them, as vain and silly as that is. But, before I started for the summer, I had 2 PE recruiters - a small (~1bn fund) and a megafund reach out to me via linkedin to set up interviews. That wasn't the intention, and I wouldn't have imagined that could ever work, but, from experience, it did.

Also unexpected - just having the "incoming analyst at 'prestigious bank'" had numerous club promoters reaching out to me via linkedin, offering me spots on the guestlist. Not that any of that is worth that much, but, if putting a silly title online means I get a few good nights out of skipping the line at clubs I wouldnt have even bothered trying to get into otherwise, I say there is some value in that.

 
Jul 5, 2016 - 6:13am

PirateBanker1:

I don't totally agree with this post.

I was one of those 'douchey kids' who posted 'incoming analyst at X'. A part of it was, as people talked about, to 'verify status'. At my school, all of the prospective IB kids know each other/judge each other, and nearly everyone posts 'incoming summer analyst at X' when they get the offer - it's just a social construct from that perspective. Also, yes, that does include an incoming analyst at Blackstone.

Also, "I'm doing this for the recruiters" is a valid point. I didn't do it for the recruiters - I did it because 60 other kids from my school were and I wanted to prove that I was good enough to all of them, as vain and silly as that is. But, before I started for the summer, I had 2 PE recruiters - a small (~1bn fund) and a megafund reach out to me via linkedin to set up interviews. That wasn't the intention, and I wouldn't have imagined that could ever work, but, from experience, it did.

Also unexpected - just having the "incoming analyst at 'prestigious bank'" had numerous club promoters reaching out to me via linkedin, offering me spots on the guestlist. Not that any of that is worth that much, but, if putting a silly title online means I get a few good nights out of skipping the line at clubs I wouldnt have even bothered trying to get into otherwise, I say there is some value in that.

Are you retarded? The reasons you gave are exactly why people are saying not to put the incoming' title. It only matters to people who don't matter.
 
Aug 14, 2016 - 4:45pm

reminds me of the group of 1 day "internship" participants called Inside the Industry at JPM HK on facebook basically its just an invitation to see what analyst do for a few hours and have a chat with some MD's and these guys made a facebook group named Inside the Industry JP Morgan Hong Kong 2013 LOL and the group was on invitation only hahaha

 
Nov 29, 2016 - 12:41am

It's like people who put "CFA Level I Candidate" lol.

Paying for a CFA exam doesn't mean jack, you gotta pass it first.

"Be the Disruptor, not the Disrupted" - Clayton Christensen
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Dec 21, 2016 - 2:43am

let's not discuss whether it's silly or smart to put " incoming xxx" on linkedlin. The reality is, you search "incoming investment banking summer analyst" on linkedlin and you see 100+ aspiring investment bankers doing that..............you have to admit it has become a trend, for some reasons...

 
Dec 24, 2016 - 2:11pm

It isn't even just IB.. kids in marketing, consulting, and Big 4 accounting do it too. At my school pretty much everyone who has an accepted offer does it, and a quick search on LinkedIn shows at least 500 "incoming SA/intern" titles.

 
Dec 26, 2016 - 11:23am

I totally see where you're coming from and pretty much agree, but it might just be a generational thing. I know at my school it's sort of just something people do when they are done with recruiting and we joke about it becoming LinkedIn official. I don't know if everyone is putting that much weight on it or taking it too seriously, but if 90% of your friends have put it on their profile, it just seems like a very normal thing to do.

 
Jan 2, 2017 - 2:24pm

Hey everyone, I have a related question. I thought I'd just post it here. What's your take on posting your GMAT-score (especially if it's high like 750+ range) on your resume or linkedin? I've been checking out quite a few resumes of target grads in top PE associate roles (TPG, apollo, etc...) and quite a few of them post their high scores on linkedin. What do you think about this?

Array
 
Jan 2, 2017 - 3:17pm

Sounds like you ONLY think that that line is there to impress but perhaps there are instances where some readers find it helpful because it points to a certain direction that junior is embarking or that the junior already has a firm commitment from somewhere making that statement in fact factual. sounds to me you are picking on your underlings. if your boss boasts something, do you equally call him out without hesitation like: hey, i know you have more money than i do. shush. easy does it.

i think that may do your boss some good.

 
Jan 2, 2017 - 4:14pm

I agree that it is ridiculous and emblematic of the worst of "The Track" mentality, but I think people need to realize that with corporate recruiting starting earlier and progressing quicker, students might feel like they have to do even these little things or somehow risk losing out. It's all about personal branding nowadays, even for bankers.

Saw a profile for a UK full-time analyst who listed every high school achievement individually (i.e. MUN award, president of a non-profit club), random week-long internships he had in high school, and every Spring Week he was invited to (including ones he didn't attend). His profile was a top 100 viewed for students in the UK.

Gimme the loot

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Jan 3, 2017 - 8:25pm

For me it just comes down to the fact that they are taking credit and pounding their chests by putting that on their profile when in reality they have essentially done nothing of value to earn their spot. Congrats for sucking less than your competition during your internship or in FT interviews. Recognize you know very very little and have a steep hill to climb to be successful and have some humility.

 
May 13, 2017 - 11:45pm

Completely agree with most of this post and see how silly it does look. I have wondered though, what about not putting it as your headline but putting it in the experience section?

For example:
Headline: Student at ___ University
Experience: Incoming Summer Analyst at ____" ...(and NOT doing the "update my network" thing)

Reason I ask is that I have heard multiple people say their response rate has increased significantly when networking within and outside their banks.

 
Feb 1, 2018 - 6:32pm

This even drives me crazy and I'm in the same stage as all these "M&A Incoming Investment Banking Summer Analysts". Is this a result of the insecurity that social media brings out of people? Seriously, makes me worry for future generations and their mental health.

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