If you could re-do undergrad, which school would you pick now?
A lot of people regret where they go for undergrad and some people love it. Some people didn't really take a lot of consideration when picking, and some took forever to decide. What went into your minds choosing which undergrad and if you could do it again, would you still go where you are now? Did you take in to consideration which schools were big on recruiting?
I applied to 12 colleges and got into 8 of them. Ended up visiting the 4 best ones i got into and narrowed it down to 2 ivies. Basically it came down to fit, culture, core curriculum, location, class size. Both schools are roughly equal on prestige, academics, and caliber of students, so it came down to the more subjective factors. When you are deciding where to spend your 4 years of undergrad, you MUST visit the ones you are considering after you get in. There's no other way to get a feel for whether you can see yourself being there.
And you chose Penn CAS.
Anyone who does not choose Stanford UG is an idiot. How could you not choose Stanford?
I'd go back in time to high school and tell myself that doors start closing the moment your gpa isn't 4.0 and you don't ace the sat. Didn't have as many chclices as I'd like...that whole pro sports thing didn't pan out.
I fucked up my hs gpa and sat, but zero doors ended up closing, because I turned it around in college. You just have to work harder than you ever have before.
I think these are the schools with the least regrets, and each have their own feel: Michigan, UVA, Berkeley, Indiana, UNC, and Texas.
Agreed! I wouldn't want to re-do undergrad as much as I'd want to re-do high school. I didn't do jack shit in high school which probably closed some doors for me. Now I'm known as the guy who works way too hard
The best party school I could find in a warm climate. Or Harvard.
If I could do it over again, I would have gone to Columbia and sneaked into every Columbia GSB investing-related class I could get into.
Went to a different ivy.
Same school I went to. I would argue that your experience in undergrad is going to be based on the friends that you make and have for the rest of your life. Just going to a target school because it will get you a job in some industry is not worth it to me. I made it in banking and PE and 0 of my classmates went either of those routes so it can be done, maybe not the top group of a BB and then to MF, but I just don't place as much weight on prestige. I would rather be happy than miserable.
Prestige/job opportunity and happiness are not mutually exclusive. By and large, most college kids make friends and enjoy their experience wherever they go. So the way I see it, you might as well go to the one that can open the most doors for you and take it from there.
I'd go to Penn State. Cheap, good teachers, party school, good sports teams, close enough to home, and decent alumni base.
Pepperdine, put my ass on the beach.
There's a part of me that wants to transfer there
I'm curious to visit Pepperdine, my school (East Coast, south of Mason Dixon) had its fair share of model-material girls and pristine beaches. certainly no children of movie stars, but plenty of southern belles in bikinis.
Right on the beach in Malibu can't be that bad. Southern belles are amazing so I don't think you missed out.
I'm from the area - the hotter girls are further south than Pepperdine. The girls at SDSU and, to a lesser extent, USD (not UCSD) are unbelievably attractive. I don't get it. I see pictures of my friends who go to SDSU and I swear they're always partying, and with the hottest girls, it's unreal.
UCSB also should be up there, and USC and UCLA. Shit man, southern California in general just has a ton of good looking people. I'm pumped for the 4th tomorrow, can't beat the beaches on the 4th of July.
Pepperdine is also ultra conservative. There is a curfew every night and its also a dry campus. So socially it is a little restricted. I was recruited to play basketball there but ended up staying on the east coast. Still was one of the prettiest campuses I have ever seen.
Put your ass in church every Sunday morning.
I would have gone somewhere warm. Down south or CA.
Either Stanford if I got in, or same one I went to but I would have tried to make more of it (maybe join a mellow frat and definitely not doing science/engineering).
I wouldn't do it over again, because I loved every minute of college (sometimes to omuch) and it set me on a good path. Great friends, met my wife, solid early career, and at a great MBA program now. I turned down Cornell and full rides at UCLA and Cal for a full ride at USC. I never even think twice about those, but sometimes wonder what would've happened if I hadn't pulled myself off the WL at Stanford the day they sent me a response card...
I went to a state school that's known for engineering (I would say right below Berkeley / Georgia Tech for my field) and studied engineering there. I had lots of fun, probably one of the best years of my early life, but at the time I turned down an offer from Georgia Tech. I saved a lot of money since I paid in-state tuition and a combination of scholarship + working while in school basically meant very little debt coming out of school.
Not really a regret, but I am curious where I would be right now, had I gone to Georgia Tech and studied industrial engineering (my interest now) there. Certainly a lot more debt would have incurred, but I feel like I would have come out of the program as a better-trained engineer... but hard to say.
Just finished my first year at UChicago. Loved it, would not change a thing about it and ended up with a 3.8 after my first year....things might change though when I start my econ major classes :(
I went to a state school with a good football program(Alabama/UGA/FSU) and had a lot of fun. If I could go back and do it again I would either go to the same school, or maybe a school with better recruiting that is still fun. UT Austin, Michigan, or UVA wouldnt be bad.
Only a UGA fan would put those 3 in the same conversation.
I went to a top LAC and did mediocrely. It was a tough school and as much as I liked the liberal arts education, it was very theoretical for me. Nothing was grounded in reality so I never fully found my niche in terms of coursework I was passionate about. I found a great job after and made lifelong friends along the way so I don't really regret it, but If I had to do it again I would probably go to a public ivy/well known public school (Michigan, UVA, UCLA, Berkeley ) type of school and kill it in their undergrad B school. I think I would have enjoyed the coursework more and I think it would have been easier in general.
Makes me look forward to B school in a few years.
Still one year left for me but I can definitely identify with your experience. Thankfully alumni know that " mediocre" at top LAC is still pretty damn solid.
Wouldn't do it again, but if forced to, would go where I went to school. Dartmouth. No regrets, had a great time and made lots of life long friends. Network keeps opening doors as well.
wouldn't change. made some really close friends there.
Would have taken my offer from University College London - not sure what I was thinking at the time - no regrets though, amazing times since.
Edit: Is there a limit to how many undergrad colleges you can apply to in the US?
I didn't work as hard as I should have in high school so my undergrad choices were limited. I wonder where I would be since a number of my classmates ended up at Harvard, Stanford, Williams etc.
No limit, it's a rising issue in the college admissions process. Kids are willing to drop the 50 dollars or so on an application and many of the "elite" highschools have guidance counselors telling their kids to apply to MINIMUM 8 schools. I personally know several people who have applied to over 20 schools. By know means is this the norm, but in prep school culture, I'd say most people are in the 7-13 range.
The friends I have in college right now mean nearly the whole world to me at my private liberal arts school. For a liberal arts school, we are ranked for the party scene while we do good in academics (ranked nearly top 50 of all liberal arts schools). We are a target for big 4 accounting, but no one goes into investment banking.
However, I would choose Stanford as my dream school
Originally was a pharmacy major and on my own since I was 17 so I went to my state school. Wouldn't change a damn thing because I'm happy with where I've been and gone and any alteration of my path and history would change things drastically
I would've went to the exact same school. I would've applied there as a HS Senior though, rather than waiting to transfer after freshman year
I had strong grades and SAT scores but didn't understand the importance of college (no one in my immediate family had gone except for my grandfather). I applied to 2 schools because they were both local - I was waitlisted at a top 20 liberal arts college and went to an unknown local college on full ride. Looking back on it, there are a drove of higher-ranked schools I would have applied to and probably gained admission to.
No change, would have done comp sci along with my math degree.
I go to a top public school (Michigan, UVA, UCB) and I love it. Great academics and an amazing party scene. The only school I would go to over my current one would be Dartmouth.
I played D1 basketball at a state school in New England, great experience. If I could do it again, I probably would go to either Virginia or Michigan, better academics and I could have earned a scholarship after my freshman season.
I went into undergrad choosing between UCLA and Berkeley, and went to UCLA. I would definitely do it again, it was an awesome place with lots of opportunities, and to be honest the Berkeley area just didn't do it for me (still haven't spent too much time there, but I like what I've seen these days). I went to Stanford for grad school which was also a good decision in retrospect, no surprises there.
I will say this -- undergrad education is largely the same across the board, so if you're looking to go to grad school, you just need to go somewhere decent, not the absolute top-notch. If you're smart that will shine through at any school and you'll definitely be able to get into a good grad program.
Went to a top engineering state school. Had I known I wanted to do IB, I would have chosen to go to a top public (UVA/Michigan/IU/Texas).
Interesting question haha.
I would have actually applied to schools.. I only looked at schools that I was looking at for football, I wasn't really concerned with where I went academically though I should have been.
Based on what I know now I would have gone
to either UCLA, USC, Berkeley, NYU or Penn
UNC. Been there a few times and just loved the campus. It was my dream school but unfortunately i slapped my dick around too much in high school and had a sub 3.5 gpa. so fuck me i guess.
less about school, more about major.
Rather than engineering, I might have done econ/finance, and worked to a PhD. I think you can make decent money as an academic in business/finance, but with much better work/life than finance/consulting
I would have just not gone. Sure it was fun, however to me I feel like I wasted 4 years I could have used to do something that I will actually remember for the rest of my life.
I'd go back to UChicago in a heart beat, only because of the friends I made there. It's hard to imagine going somewhere else.
As a Canadian, I wish would've applied to some schools out east. Namely, Queen's, McGill, etc.
Michigan is pretty damn ideal. I definitely wouldn't change my choice or experience at all given the chance.
Everything, from the college town to the business school to the school spirit/sports teams to the party scene, is top notch. I've truly loved college and can't wait to get off the east coast and back to Ann Arbor for senior year.
I'd imagine UVA and Vandy are pretty awesome too.
I would have studied the violin more seriously, gotten into Juilliard at 14, become concert master of the Berliner Philharmoniker at 16, go on tour playing Tchaikovsky at 18, become rich and famous by playing pieces composed by John Williams at 20, break my fingers at 21, become an angel investor and invest in various music tech companies at 22, die penniless at 26.
Cool thread. Went to a mid-size public school (non-target) that you may have heard of if you're a college bball fan. Went simply because I'm a middle class guy whose parents weren't paying for my school and I had a full ride....Didn't know what the hell I wanted to do and didn't know what a great advantage you get from recruiting at even a top public school. So I would've loved to go to a top public school like Michigan or UVA. Although it would have been pretty awesome to go to a private school like Harvard, Penn, Princeton, etc.
Don't mean to hi-jack the thread but what I have to say is relevant.
I made a similar thread about where I should go earlier. I'm entering my senior year of high school and about to start applying to schools. I have a 4.0 GPA with a pretty rigorous course load. I'm valedictorian of my class of 91 (private school), have a 2300 SAT with 760 760 780 subject test scores. My EC's (extra-curriculars) are pretty good (good enough to qualify me for these schools).
This thread is pretty eye opening, especially as I am seeing a lot of Texas. I live in Texas and would be super happy to get into their business honors program. A lot of you guys have said Texas, but are those of you banking in Houston or at the very least would you be okay with banking in Houston? I am also going to apply to USC (hoping to get cost below 10,000 with scholarship) and some ivies. This discussion has really made me want to either go to Texas or Dartmouth because they can both put you in top MBA programs later in life while also offering an awesome social scene. However, this thread has also left me a little disillusioned, without many saying they loved Harvard or other top ivies. Not sure what I'm really getting at, but do you think BHP Texas -> I-banking Houston is a solid route? Is Texas still viable if I don't join a fraternity (dues are 6,000 annually and my parents won't pay for me to be a jack-off).
With those stats you should be getting a free ride to Columbia. Apply to ALL top 20 schools and see where you get in and what the aid packages are, and just bullshit your way through application fee waivers so you can do so for free.
Well no full ride maybe acceptance. Can't tell if your all top 20 schools comment was serious. Do you think I should put aside UT BHP?
Columbia does not expect you to meet any financing through student loans (at least for undergrad), last time I checked anyways. So between your assets and expected family contribution, they will cover the rest. That also holds true for Harvard, if you look at average financial aid packages from top schools it can make your cost of attendance cheaper than attending a state school. Financial aid packages at top schools can be amazing, I had no idea so I never bothered applying when I was your age.
I was serious, get application fee waivers, bullshit/lie if you have to in order to get them waived. Thus allowing you to apply to them all. Why put UT BHP aside? Apply and keep your options open. You could be looking at a 200k education for zero debt (doesn't mean there wouldn't be a cost for your family).
With that said, I would not take out a lot of student debt regardless of whatever schools you got into.
As someone who has gone to Texas and has gone through IB recruiting hopefully I can help out here: I assume by your high school resume you will succeed in college, get the requisite GPA do to IB recruiting, and continue to pursue leadership opportunities, so you are already 99% of the way there. What I would say is that if you want to work in Houston/want to do energy, Texas is the perfect place to go to school. It's a target school for practically every Houston bank, BB and EB, and at least two kids end up at each of like 20 firms.
If you want to do NY IB, then I would suggest going to a school in the Northeast, even though the cost is 4x as much. UT is a target school for very few NY EB/BB offices, so unless you have a network or believe that you have the charisma to network your way in (by no means impossible, there are a lot of kids that do this), it's probably better to play it safe and go to a comparable school with stronger NY target recruiting (Michigan, UVA, NYU) or an Ivy.
To address the other parts of the post: -BHP is a good program to be in but nowhere near an "elite Wharton-level program" that they market it as. Everyone who does IB recruiting for Houston is a BHP student so you basically need to do it to pass the resume selection phase. There are a lot of lifelong friendships to be made in BHP but also a lot of people you wont like. -You don't need to be in a frat to do IB, though there are some firms that have frat cultures (ie. Greenhill Houston recruits a SAE every year). I wasn't in a frat, had a blast socially and did fine in recruiting. -Social scene is indeed awesome. We have excellent parties, a huge outdoor scene, great food culture and bar scene, excellent extracurricular organizations, whatever you could possibly want. -Some very cool student organizations, from student-run investment funds to real-world student consulting assignments to cancer awareness groups that bike 4000 miles to Alaska every summer. You can make your resume shine and have fun doing it.
So if the idea of living in Texas and working in energy is something that entices you, go to Texas BHP. I grew up in Texas and knew I wanted to leave, so having a smaller number of NY firms that would talk to me made breaking into Wall Street pretty tough (I wasn't a ninja-networker, didn't have a mentor for the process). Still ended up in a NY BB, but my friends that transferred to NYU or UVA after their first years said the process was a lot less stressful. PM me if you have more questions about UT or want any advice if you decide to go.
Thanks PIKBIM - I am going to PM to avoid hi-jacking the thread.
no disrespect to Dartmouth but I laughed when I saw you put UT's social scene in the same sentence as Big Green's (Dartmouth sure rages hard but 100,000 people won't be packing into a football stadium every other weekend anytime soon in Hannover, NH). just go where you're going to be happy; it comes down to individual fit. i'm deeply biased because I came out a SEC state school with virtually no presence on the street, the definition of non-target. you can make it from anywhere. have fun for 4 years, meet some pretty girls....and do enough work to position yourself of course
(ps if you go to UT join a fraternity, it will be some of the best money you ever spend. start a business, get a weekend job or knock a bank over. fraternity will make for an ENTIRELY different experience at a giant state school football factory like UT.)
When you say "start a business, get a weekend job or knock a bank over" I assume you saying that in regards to getting the money to pay for the fraternity?
Were you personally in a fraternity? I damn sure want to join one but 6,000 is a lot to make. I am working during the school year but will be surprised if I have enough to pay dues and not cling on to my parents constantly.
yea listen to this guy, he knows whats up guys LOL
UT Austin without a doubt (Great IB recruiting, sports, frat scene, hot chicks and ideal weather/location). Ended up going to a liberal arts college in CA and didn't like it much. Things ended up well as I will be going to UT for b-school ;)
If I had to do it over, I'd probably go to South Harmon Institute of Technology. Or Faber College. Maybe Harrison University.
Lol I guess Hogwarts would be your safety? I hear they'll give you a full ride...on a broomstick.
I was thinking of saying Hogwarts, but it's just not my thing
Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Stanford, MIT, Duke, UChicago, you knowww
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You just named every name-brand college in America......
Stanford or Claremont McKenna probably
Would likely have chosen Notre Dame. Dreamt of going there as a kid, gave it up for financial reasons, and kind of regret it. I had a great time, but I always wonder.
UVA, but first I would have to re-do most of my life.
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I went to Johns Hopkins for its name (I considered myself lucky to get in) and that may have been a mistake because it's a science and IR school. Maybe I should have shot for UPENN or NYU so I'd have on-campus recruiting for financial institutions.
According to Brennan Huff it's not a prestigious school as he smoked pot with John Hopkins, it was Johnny Hopkins and Sloan Kettering.
I went to the right school for engineering/computer science, but majored in business due to my passions. I should have majored in computer science.
I love where I am currently, but being at non-target does have it's drawbacks. If anything, I'd tell my high school self that D1 will not be as cool as you think it will be and your dumbass needs to give a shit about your GPA/SAT.
In short, I'd aim for UMich, UVA, etc.
Deep Springs College
Never heard about Deep Springs until I was already in undergrad at a top private. One of my buddies from Scarsdale said he and all his buddies used to get mailings from them. I guess there aren't a ton of academically high performing Jews who want to go live on an alfalfa farm in the desert for their first two years of college.
Oxford/Cambridge instead of a London uni. And something with 'economics' and/or 'management' in the degree title.
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Ever get the feeling that you're a step behind in life? First, I'd have skipped the military right out of high school and gone straight to college. Back then I had no intention of continuing my education once I was done w/ high school because I hated school that much. A couple years as an Army grunt earning less than minimum wage gave me some much needed perspective. I crammed for the SAT while on active duty and likely did well enough to compete for a slot at some top state schools (UMich, UC-Berkeley, UVA), but had no real clue about the process and was anxious to get home, so viewed it as my out. Ended up at a private tier 3 institution. Fortunately, I only needed to borrow about 20k over my 4 yrs there-but I still wonder what my experience at a UVA or UMich would have been, both in terms of fun/experience and my career. Def. regret not having at least tried.
Wow, my experience has been the exact opposite of yours. I did horrible in school, and joining the military was the best choice I made. I grew up a lot, gained a ton of experience, and am headed to Dartmouth now and will graduate debt free because of GI bill, and still have money left over to finish an MBA debt free too. I guess individual mileage may vary.
Back when I enlisted the Army handed you bet 20 and 40k for school, depending on the length of your enlistment. I left w/ 30k and went to a school that cost about double that because I had no idea what my options were as I handled the whole thing in hasty fashion. I also served in a combat role, so gained very little transferable real world skills.Fortunately, my personal network enabled me to have a pretty good career after I graduated.
Incidentally, I currently attend Tuck, so might even see you around haha. I'm involved in the Veterans alumni group.
I wouldn't change a thing. Ivy league cost while opening SUNY type doors- how can you go wrong? In all srsness though, idk how schools like mine even continue to exist. IMO, there should only be two types of schools out there: the really expensive ones where you're essentially buying your foot in the door, and the cheap ones that will only marginally help your cause. But really expensive ones that aren't even going to do shit? Kind of seems like the market should have flushed that turd years ago. Uninformed consumers ftmw.
Not sure if i would have changed schools, maybe just changed majors/career paths and actually tried harder.
I would have gone to Texas or UGA. However, part of me wonders what experience a small liberal arts school would have been like.
I was going to say I got a free ride based on vet status. I recently ran the numbers for the younger generation so it is all too fresh in my mind and it goes like this:
Enlisted either way you are being housed and fed or paid housing + food allowance while only being taxed on base pay. Currently that means with those benefits you'd be taking home 42-44k/yr. If you went to an in-state public university, you are looking at a total 4yr cost of attendance of roughly 130k which means to get those benefits your post tax take home would need to be 75k.
If you go to out of state, some schools will waive the out of state tuition, Umich, UT Austin. Which if you were out of state and paying the sticker price you'd need 200k to attend. For private schools, if you go to the right ones, their yellow ribbon program + your private school GI Bill tuition rate you can in many cases get a free ride which is 220k worth of benefits. Not to mention that nowadays your GI Bill and whatnot cannot be included in determining your financial aid.
So in those examples, your take home pay would need to be 100k/yr post tax. So pre-tax your income needs to be basically 95-130k/yr for each year you served in the military (if you did 4 yrs). Not to mention you would be eligible for 20k in federal pell grants. Then you can get veterans preference, VA loans, tricare and can collect unemployment upon release from active duty.
Its basically a veritable gold mine. What is sad, is the average payout is actually less than the cost of a 2yr jr college education. And a lot of people come in with less than 10k in student loans... well if you opt for the loan repayment program you give up your GI Bill.
Know thy benefits -- apply them well.
I don't regret a thing after my first year at Penn (dual degree in Wharton and The College). Obviously I don't have to reflect very far back, but I definitely think I made the right decision. Wharton gives you so many opportunities to network, gain leadership positions, and experience the many different areas of business. That, combined with continuing my studies in science, has been fantastic.
Glad you're enjoying Penn. It's a VERY underrated school. Its flexible curriculum and cross-school integration makes it easy for undergrads to pursue studies in disparate fields. Also a good study-party balance.
Thanks! And I completely agree. Penn's dual degree programs really are great ideas, and I'm pretty surprised that not many undergraduate programs like them exist elsewhere (at least to my knowledge). I definitely feel fortunate to be here.
I'd choose Georgetown or University of Michigan. I definitely would like to go back and study for the SAT before taking it.
European here but I would have majored in something more technical (e.g. Economics or Computer Science) and focused on getting into a top Masters earlier on.
First choice would be Princeton. The campus looks like Hogwarts, and the town of Princeton could be mistaken for Europe. Also, it's close to the beach.
Second choice would be Tulane. Pretty good name brand, and four years partying in New Orleans would be awesome.
Looking back at it now, what I most regret about my college experience is not really the university I went to but the fact that I went the transfer route. I let my parents talk me into staying at home for college despite the fact that I had been accepted to a decent university that is known for a great party scene and amazing girl to guy ratios (the girls there are also known for being hot). I ended up going to a local commuter campus, regretted every moment of it and it completely ruined me mentally and academically. I feel like those first 2 years of college have a huge say in what kind of person you end up being.
At that point is when my life started going downhill in so many ways. I went from an optimistic guy with high energy to a depressed 18 - 19 year old living at home with his parents, getting into arguments, and hell even having curfews!!!!
One of the most depressing feelings you can have at 18 is living at home for college while so many others are freshman students living in dorms. I dislike how my parents managed to successfully convince me to commute and it has spoiled my relationship with them to this day because the commuter campus and the college I got into were both among the same price. Then I was also talked into majoring in Biology. The sciences are hands down the worst majors in college because not only are they very difficult, they also yield no promising career prospects unless you go to professional school or grad school.
For the love of god, unless you plan on being a doctor, teacher, or dentist, do not take majors like Biology or Chemistry with a 20 ft pole, you're better off being a liberal arts major because at least you can party and socialize.
I eventually transferred but it is just not the same, cliques have already been established and it is much more difficult to make friends. Regardless of all that, I put myself out there and made some friends. I was proactive, talked to various people, likable, and made a good bit of friends but I was never really a part of any of the social circles to where people would let me go out to bars with them.
My undergrad was known as a party school and was even ranked highly on the list for it but when I was graduating from there, I noticed that the quality of girls declined dramatically due to higher admission standards.
If I could do my undergrad differently, here is what I would have done:
Gone to a typical 4 year public university where everyone is in the 18-22 year old age range, ideally a decent one with a nice party scene to go with it (UNC Chapel Hill for example).
Lived in dorms for the first few years.
Stayed there and made strong bonds with my graduating class.
Kind of a similar position as you, except I barely graduated highschool so I had to go to CC...It worked out in the end I guess because I ended up at a pretty good school (non target) and my job prospects have been good. I still had a lot of fun those two years at CC visiting other friends at their schools, but it would have been 100x better if I was actually living at a college.
As I stated last July..."UVA, but first I would have to re-do most of my life". Going to USC or UT would be awesome too.
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