Is this site slowly dying or is it just me?

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When I was on this site as a student a few years back, this site had tons of new threads every day, and many of those threads racked up with 50+ comments on the same day. When I go on these days, not only does the volume of new threads seem lower, but what I particularly noticed was that there are not as many commenters either.

Is it just me, or is this actually the case? If so, why do you think it is? New kids want to go into finance every year, and a bunch of veterans stay on the site as well, so I wonder what happened. As far as I know, WSO doesn't have any meaningful competition, r/finance or r/financialcareers can't touch this

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Feb 28, 2019

I've been here about five years and haven't noticed.

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Feb 28, 2019

That's because they banned @theaccountingmajor

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Feb 28, 2019

Just you

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Feb 28, 2019

I've been here for about 4 years (under a different name), and it kind of seems like it has. I think this is for one of two reasons:
1) it has deteriorated (more useless posts and fewer meaningful, engaged discussions)
2) previously I was looking for specific topics, so I didn't notice the worthless banter and topics that went unanswered.

To me, it seems like the answer is 1, but this could be an issue where perception skews our view of reality.

There was a similar topic about a week ago discussing a related topic.

Feb 28, 2019

I agree with 2. When I was in college, I'd stumble upon WSO threads when googling for specific topics or I would come to WSO to search for specific topics and would find some gold mine threads. Nowadays, I just come on WSO to kill some time while at work and you just see a ton of the useless garbage threads with rare terrific threads sprinkled in here and there

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Feb 28, 2019

I stay in the off topic section pretty exclusively.

We've lost some big personalities over the years but it's still alive.

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Feb 28, 2019

Well we're not dying but we're not growing as much as I'd like and community activity hasn't grown much in a few years. We had big traffic growth in the 2nd half of 2017 and first half of 2018 (by far a record for us)...but since Google's algo change in Aug 1, 2018, we're back to single-digit % growth on the traffic side with some seasonal dips.

The issue is the site activity and traffic is very seasonal and those seasons are constantly shifting (especially with accelerated recruiting timelines), so it's hard to know if a big rush of activity or traffic is a sign of strength or just timing...

I think I need to do a better job at getting more AMAs and continue to try and engage with the professionals on our platform and off of them to make sure we're doing everything we can to make WSO valuable to the best members (oftentimes certified users)...

I'll come back to this thread and give some more thoughts...I think it's also time for one of my old fashioned "How can WSO improve?" threads :-)

Thanks for the thread,
Patrick

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Feb 28, 2019

Yeah wow, thanks for your thoughts. Seasonality is certainly a big component and I didn't know about the algo change

Mar 1, 2019

Acquire Seeking Alpha!!

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Feb 28, 2019

I wish :-)

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Mar 1, 2019

I'd be curious to hear what average time on the site is?

I bet the average users time on site has increased dramatically

Feb 28, 2019

3:00min in Feb 2019 - last feb 2:48 ...but this isn't necessarily a good sign. When we are getting stronger organic search traffic, that number tends to dip since you get a lot more first time visitors....first time visitors = higher avg bounce rate.

So a lower time on site can actually happen when your overall traffic is much higher...the overall trend over the last 5yrs has been lower time on site as more and more of the traffic (not suprisingly) is coming from mobile (which has an avg closer to 2:14) -- this is not surprising to me.

I'm curious to know why you think the avg time on site would have increased dramatically?

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Mar 1, 2019

I'm looking to delete my account but it doesn't allow me to as it's in the terms and conditions. You should change this...

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Mar 1, 2019

Why are you looking to delete your account?

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Mar 1, 2019

Thanks so much, Patrick. I've seen this suggestion before, but the "combined" threads are extremely brutal and hard to follow (when multiple posts from various years are combined into a single link). Hoping there is a plan to change it.

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Feb 28, 2019

This has been paused...so I wouldn't expect anymore merging for ~6 months to a year. The goal here was to reduce duplicate thread topics and consolidate information on specific companies/topics such that the user didn't have to hop to 5 different threads to get all of the content around that topic (it also has important SEO implications with less cannibalization).

We tried to label and date them to get the order of the comments and make it less confusing, but I think the execution wasn't perfect. I'd love to hear suggestions on specific ways you'd want it to be changed?

Thanks,
Patrick

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Mar 1, 2019

You need an app. Full Stop.

If the only real mobile access is through a janky mobile site, there is intrinsic friction for the users you want most: actual working professionals. If I have WSO up at work and my boss walks by, it doesn't look good. So the only active interaction you have is from college kids with a ton of time who can hop on a desktop. I think that is why the site has moved the way it has: as the web has gone more and more mobile, your quality content and posts have dropped off because the people who provide it just aren't on the site as much. Your power users are people like TNA and skankhunt who chill in other and clearly are in less-intense jobs than the IB/S&T/Buyside world most users want to be in.

Anyway, an app lets working professionals pull you up on their phone without going through desktop. Every time someone goes to the shitter, they are on reddit or twitter or facebook, because those are easy to quickly use. If you make an easy to use WSO app, I really think you will get back the power users who provide the content that all these college kids want.

Mar 1, 2019

I'm a working professional and use WSO from my phone almost exclusively. The website is actually fine. But I'm also the type of person who doesn't use the reddit app or LinkedIn app etc.

I agree that pulling up WSO on your PC at work is not an option, but I'm not sure how many more people would use the site if they made an app. If you want to contribute to WSO as a working professional you'd probably already be using your phone's browser

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Mar 2, 2019

I second that. An app would be GREAT.

Mar 10, 2019

I second the app idea. I had to completely get off WSO on my desktop when I was doing a screenshare with a remote boss when a notification popped up saying "Someone just threw monkey shit at you". Oops.

The mobile website is ok to navigate but I tend to forget about it if I'm not getting notifications and see a visual reminder to login.

Mar 1, 2019

Sounds like some SEO is in order.

Do you advertise? Content marketing with SMEs targeted at college students/young professionals could bring more attention/members to the community.

Mar 1, 2019

He knows how SEO works lol

Feb 28, 2019

Thanks for the suggestion - we are very in tune with SEO since organic traffic is such a major source for us. Here is an article we wrote on Moz on projects that helped: https://moz.com/blog/on-page-seo-changes-case-study
We are actually about to release another article on Pagespeed for Moz and all of the changes we've made to the platform to try and speed the site up (these are still ongoing)...not sure if any of you have noticed, but the site is snappier in the past few weeks and should continue to get faster (especially on mobile).

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Mar 1, 2019

To be fair as well, there are only so many questions that can be asked. And until the industry goes through profound changes, the answers to those questions don't change. People can find old threads, get their answer, and move on without opening new discussions. Could be one of the drivers as well.

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Feb 28, 2019

Agreed - definitely, think this is at least part of the driver...although I don't want to assume that...

Mar 4, 2019

Yo Patrick we need the chatroom back man! lol. Or can we at least get a Slack group going?

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Feb 28, 2019

we have about 80 WSO city specific chats going on through Telegram...sign up here: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/join-the-ws...

Mar 5, 2019

Honestly i think its because you focus on Students. Difficult to contribute if you only experience of finance is reading Finmeme accounts and an undergrad course.

WSO needs to be a place for established professionals as well.

I personally don't post as much as there's very little value add here anymore.

Would find it useful if there was a way to facilitate networking for experience professionals- that's value

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Mar 4, 2019
Lockwood:

Honestly i think its because you focus on Students. Difficult to contribute if you only experience of finance is reading Finmeme accounts and an undergrad course.

WSO needs to be a place for established professionals as well.

I personally don't post as much as there's very little value add here anymore.

Would find it useful if there was a way to facilitate networking for experience professionals- that's value

Exactly. Chatroom/Slack for all us working professionals!

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Feb 28, 2019

New Certified User only chat coming...stay tuned!

Mar 1, 2019

I was considering making a thread about this same topic

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Mar 1, 2019

thats just cause i dont have as much time to shitpost about tinder and liquor anymore
nothing else has changed

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Feb 28, 2019

Goldy, if we can't rely on you for that, what can we rely on you for? ;)

Mar 1, 2019

3 things I've noticed:

1- The mega personality posters' output has diminished or dried up completely. I would get on here every week looking for the latest Eduardo Braverman anecdote, Brady4MVP prestige whoring, or Bankerella rant. We've still got some great names on here obviously, but those guys are all "business", pardon the pun. They give excellent advice, so folks just sort of read and thank them and move on.

2- The politics. I didn't realize how many liberals and in some cases, outright commies, were on this board. Not that there's anything wrong w/ left tilting politics per se, but the critical mass makes for lots of one-sided discussions -usually they devolve into TNA versus an entire board of college kids, Canadians and Europeans-and that reduces the likelihood that any center-right or neutral folks like myself will remain engaged. I've seen people making impassioned defenses of 70% top rates and the Green New Deal (conservative estimate: $93 trillion). How does this happen on a finance forum? It's like my Facebook feed nowadays.

3- Thread churn is quite high. It can be tough to keep up w a thread you may have liked because 20 more crowd it out the next hour. Then you have to do some foraging to find the good stuff, and most of our schedules don't allow for it.

That aside I still get on here at least twice a day just because when something good is up, it still tends to be "pretty good". My faves have been reading lists, AMAs, business/finance news, the threads on perspective and life, and the discussions on day-to-day of specific roles for those of us either lacking exposure or considering career switches/breaking in.

Mar 2, 2019

In general, the site doesn't promote an environment that allows for disagreement and open dialogue. Disagreeing with the orthodoxy means significant criticism from snot-nosed, college kids and those entrenched in the industry, at a junior level, with a narrow perspective. In some cases, holding an unorthodox view means literally being squelched by the site. The political situation is the clearest example.

Conservative oriented threads have been shut down. I've had WSO tell me that posting political threads violates terms and conditions. On the other hand, liberal political posts make the front page. This is just one example. This happens in other areas as well, just in a more subtle way (the way WSO promotes content on front page, the way certain favored posters get recognition from the site by pushing orthodoxy, etc.)..

So when you promote the status quo, you'll get more of it. That's why the majority of the posts fall within the standard narrative. The problem is that the narrative gets boring and it's not very accurate.

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Mar 2, 2019

This happens in the real estate forum regarding RE investment banking VS I-Sales. Almost no one on the RE forum has RE I-banking experience, so they shit on it and say I-sales is the best stepping stone into REPE.

The truth is much more nuanced than that, but no one will listen bc the forum has collectively decided that I-sales is the king of the sell-side real estate jobs.

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Mar 5, 2019

As a pretty damn liberal poster, I think a lot of this is confirmation bias. I would say that the majority of posters on this site are in no sense "liberal" and are very much promoting a very right-leaning viewpoint.

My guess is if you ask someone on either side of the aisle, they'd both complain that the quality of posters is going downhill because it's tilted towards the opposite of their viewpoint. That is human nature.

And you'll have to post examples of conservative oriented posts being shut down. I've had plenty of debates about the relative benefits of affordable housing policy, for example, on the real estate forum, without anything being shut down. Sounds much more like you've fixated on the fact that there is considerable disagreement with what you think "orthodoxy" is, and should be.

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Mar 2, 2019

LOL at thinking this website slants left. It's become Breitbart Oasis.

Also, the reason some "left" threads may stay up is because they're at least discussing macroeconomic transformation ideas, a la MMT, GND, and more progressive tax rates. If Trump ever gets off Twitter long enough to propose an infrastructure bill, I hope we have a long substantive debate about that.

The "right-leaning" threads are mainly trash incels bitching about immigrants because state school kids like me are dinging their prestigious resumes.

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Mar 3, 2019

Because 100% of the people complaining on the internet about AOC 70% tax should ctfu. The reason I say that is because they won't ever make the amount of money to be in tjay tax bracket so their energy should be wasted elsewhere instead of bitching about an issue that doesn't and will never involve them.

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Mar 3, 2019

disagree with point number 2. TNA brings it all on himself by being the resident forum moron, incel, fuckwit and any other insult you can hurl at him. It's not like I even wan't to see him in a bad light, he's a very smart and down to earth guy, however his political responses are just fucking garbage. So is that VT guy or whatever his new username is now. I'm moderate, maybe slightly left. I have canadian citizenship aswell and I've always voted conservative, and hate our fuckwit current PM, but just listening to TNA garbage makes me want to side with the democrats of this forum more often than not. I think what we need is a forum dedicated to ONLY politics, with far stricter enforcement of BRBN (be respectful, be nice) like they do it on Quora.]

In short, TNA needs to act like more of an adult. Hopefully the reasonable conservative commentators start posting their thoughts more often, and not the Trump stooges.

Ty

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Mar 2, 2019

TNA and I have had our differences, but he's done more for this community in a single thread than you have or ever will do. Your short presence on this forum is already a burden.

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Feb 28, 2019
  1. Yes, I think there are ways we can infuse more fun back into the community - on it :)
  2. We've put in some measures that deemphasize political threads on purpose because they typically do devolve into unproductive rants from both sides. That being said, they are almost never locked/banned anymore
  3. We are putting in some measures that will make the default views for "All Recent content" and forum containers highlight the top trending and free premium content that we put out on a weekly basis (podcasts + free webinars, templates, etc). Instead of just a random stream with high churn, this will hopefully do a better job letting more people see/find and go back to the more interesting discussions in each forum or tracker (we also have the ability to bookmark threads and comments, but I don't think it is used frequently)

Stay tuned, we'll get better. Thanks for sticking with us and for all of your contributions.
Patrick

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Mar 1, 2019

I'm kind of new here, but not new to finance. My honest is opinion is that alot of information on here is wrong. Early stage stuff like go to Yale or Harvard and get into the best bank you can is correct. But beyond that, the perspectives on here are often blatantly naive or missing the point on how people really move up in finance, or what skills are valued. I also know of a ton of really great funds I never hear about on here, it just seems like this site has a massive hole in the real information aside from undergrad -> Ib -> lets all try and jam into the same few funds we have heard of.

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Mar 1, 2019

The problem is college kids giving advice

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Mar 2, 2019

Maybe it would help if there was a bigger emphasis put on certifying professional users? Not sure how that would be done, but at least people would have a better idea if they're getting advice from students or professionals.

Feb 28, 2019

Thanks Mike - are you referring to a specific level or sub-industry? We are trying to feature more premium content now with cases and webinars more front and center, but open to ideas on how to improve here.

Mar 2, 2019

Almost 7 years on this site.. I think it's not "dying" per se, just that the userbase is shifting somewhat. Earlier on you had Eddie, APAE, CompBanker, BlackHat, DingDong08 and a couple other heavy hitters that used to really engage with the platform.

Nowadays, these guys are probably more mature in their lives/careers and don't have as much of a need to come on to WSO anymore.. The only problem is, we haven't had any power users like that (aside from trolls) to pick up the slack - all of the juicy information/discussions are all from like 4-5+ years ago. Would be great to maybe get some of the veterans back on the site and potentially try to do something to get more folks to contribute good, up-to-date content.

Echo the point about an app - it's a necessity tbh.

EDIT: another pet peeve is how you can't "follow" threads to get notifications of when new posts come in the notifications bar

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Mar 2, 2019

Agreed, been here for a while and I miss the regulars of days gone by.

Got a real kick out of Uncle Eddie and his posts leading up to the launch of his book.

Mar 3, 2019

you forget the greatest of them all @brotherbear

Ty

Feb 28, 2019

Agreed in some contexts... 1. We've always had super users and the super users tend to be the ones that have the most experience and contribute the most -- I am confident we can get some of these members more engaged, but it won't be easy given our small team and the nature of WSO skewing younger (as it always has)

  1. As far as the mobile app is concerned - we're on it :-)
  2. Follow threads to get notifications? you mean subscribe? We have the ability to subscribe to threads (possible you're on iphone so maybe it doesnt work?)...you're saying this should also give you notifications when you follow it, 100% agree. on this.
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Mar 3, 2019

In a way, the site is also a victim of its own success. There's less need to post a new discussion on how to break into private equity when there are already plenty of threads addressing the issue.

Mar 3, 2019

I wonder if there's a way to attract people to the forum focused on careers / sectors not as heavily covered as IB and PE? I occasionally see RE pop up more and more... and consulting... but I suspect (and people in these areas, correct me if I'm wrong) a lot of these RE/AM/CO threads are largely about how to get in. I suspect they aren't helpful for "now what" (i.e., you're a mid-level VP/Associate D/jr D... how do you get to the next level? What were some performance and political barriers one needs to watch out for to get there?)

I've changed careers over the years, and found WSO helpful for when I was in IB and looking at PE, but now in VC there is a dearth of threads and community (save for @APAE knowing the space extremely well filling in those gaps, and maybe 2-3 others). VC is career that requires professionals to be active in their local and regional networks to build a feedback loop of opportunities, testing your investment thesis, reference calls on firms, etc. But like any other career, I would want a forum where I have some anonymity and can ask someone for advice, without the news traveling back to the local ecosystem (esp if it's quite small). Right now I'm not seeing this available elsewhere either (e.g. reddit - not great).

Lastly... I wonder if there are ways to encourage more female posters/viewership. I think the getting-into-IB and PE posts are all great and applicable regardless of gender, and from a decade-long WSO member, I remembered the forum being a lot more fratty (and sometimes misogynistic) than it is today. But this stems back to there not being a community for people to go to for advice on say how to navigate and move up a largely males dominated workplace. A lot of this help is likely better provided in the form of in-person mentors. But like everything else, sometimes you just want to ask with anonymity.

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Mar 3, 2019

Not a lot of fp&a threads since we are all on the verge of jumping out of a window I guess.

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Mar 2, 2019

Would be cool to see a real estate sub forum for non-institutional level deals, equally for people looking for advice on their first property/side hustle and for those of us who already have portfolios. Biggerpockets is the only RE forum that I'm aware of that caters to this and that whole platform is full of jokers. 1% quality / 99% garbage.

Mar 4, 2019
Peg Leg:

Would be cool to see a real estate sub forum for non-institutional level deals, equally for people looking for advice on their first property/side hustle and for those of us who already have portfolios. Biggerpockets is the only RE forum that I'm aware of that caters to this and that whole platform is full of jokers. 1% quality / 99% garbage.

There are multiple people in the existing RE forum that your post could apply to

Mar 10, 2019

This is a great idea. He's right - currently nothing exists for "real" investors. I'm doing my first multi-million dollar deal by myself and can't find any guidance on the internet. Just what I know or what I ask people. Biggerpockets is for the get rich quick or "no money down" crowd. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Feb 28, 2019

Thanks for the feedback @kanon! Agreed the VC community on here is somewhat light/spotty compared to PE... as far as other posters in other industries, we do try to have AMAs from a wide variety of backgrounds and I think some of these just do not get a ton of attention.

Looking at RE and CO forum containers just now, for example, I do see some recent threads on how to break in, but I'd say that is like 30-40%...there is a lot about specific firms, technical industry questions, etc...

Agreed it would be great if we could encourage more balanced participation -- part of enforcing moderation rules we already had in place has already improved us in this regard (support and mod team is 3x larger than it was just a few yrs ago), but I'm not sure if you have specific suggestions around this?

Thank you!
Patrick

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Mar 3, 2019

Not sure what can be done to be more inclusive or encourage a wider demographic... If you include a section for Women related discussions, it might encourage more women (I'm going to guess younger women that are just starting their careers) to post their queries. But how do you stop troll/idiot comments? (Ones that further make early readers think "yeah... this isn't for me" or "I can't ask a question without getting male ego/idiots") Or, does having a separate forum category in it of itself appear isolating? Might be good to start a separate thread to see how much interest there is first. Women might be going elsewhere for their finance/VC/tech forum needs. I think at least for Tech (some slight VC), Elpha exists (https://elpha.com).

The thing I raised on "I've reached jr VP/D, now what" seems to have appeared in others' comments as well. I've hit that wall here at WSO. And, more specific to me, if you layer on the lack of VC, and being a woman part, there is nothing here for me other than the occasional general discussion. Honestly, I'm really just here to read @APAE's mix drop posts (and previously @CompBanker" when he was around), and I guess now to pay it forward. But to get those mid-level folks engaged, they need to feel they're getting something out of WSO too (not just purely the pay it forward).

Right now I have to rely on local mentorship programs (I.e., you apply to get mentored by senior men/women) and networks. But maybe we can create more of a community of mid and high level WSO users here. Allow for removal of anonymity for actual legitimate professionals here (not visible to college students, and only past a certain title or career development/progression / proven knowledge base) and allow for proper network building amongst peers. I might sound like an jerk here, but I haven't gone to my local WSO events because I am skeptical there are more senior professionals attending, unlike maybe a NY drinks thing. (As in -where's the benefit for me? And - I don't want to potentially be getting drinks with a bunch of kids from accounting or mid office or somewhere trying to ask me "how do I get into your firm" all night).

I see the irony of me talking about inclusiveness in the top paragraph, and then talking about exclusivity in the latter. But mid stage or later stage professionals need to have a reason to network or put time in something... and for me it would be some guidance for MDs/Partners that have made it, and building my network. And for MD/partners putting in their time ... they can't be bombarded by barely out of schoolers, and people that haven't gotten to a certain stage.

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Mar 3, 2019

I tend to agree the site hasn't progressed over the years. I started posting when I had already finished my analyst program, so I wasn't looking for advice on the typical path a lot of kids here seem to like. I came to the site originally because I was a trader and wanted to talk about the markets which is why my early posts discuss emerging markets, as that's what I traded.

I never came here for career advice and am a little perplexed by the sheer number of 'how do I break into IB/PE/VC/MBB threads'. Get good grades, network and apply. If you have shitty grades or went to a shitty school, your path is going to be tough but not impossible. At this point, though, WSO has thousands of those threads. They no longer add value to the site. They actually probably detract from the site. As your user base has matured in their careers, this site has actually regressed in its utility. It's now geared toward kids still in college or perhaps considering b-school for a career transition. I have nothing against college kids, but they don't know anything about finance, so most of them can't add materially to this site. They don't know enough to be able to ask interesting questions, which is why they fall back on asking questions they find interesting. That's why I think we get so many how-do-I-break-in threads. That's what is of interest to them, so that's what they ask.

If you want your site to grow @WallStreetOasis.com you need to more carefully curate your content. I've said this before, but I'll reiterate here: relying entirely on user-generated content is a long-term losing strategy for you in my opinion. I think you need to curate interesting content to drive more site traffic. The career advice stuff is fine, but there is only so much advice anyone has to give on the subjects of breaking into a handful of industries. At this point, I think all of that advice has been given. The new threads on these topics are generated largely due to the laziness of the OP to search previous threads and should never make the front page.

Right now, your business plan relies on users to hopefully generate enough interesting content on their own to drive traffic to the site. But for all the aforementioned reasons, I don't think that's sustainable into perpetuity since the niche you've carved for yourself is too narrow.

If you do not go down the path of content creation, I think you have a couple other options. I'd look at doubling down on the careers aspect of the site. Given that's what a lot of your college-age traffic is geared toward, you might be able to create a reasonably profitable recruitment operation out of your existing user base. Analyst and associate recruitment is a major ball-ache and there are certainly a few banks who use headhunters to handle their intern and analyst recruitment. You don't get paid a lot for placing analysts or associates, but it's still another avenue for monetization.

Either way, you should look to ban a lot of the repetitive threads. I don't know how easy that is to do, but sometimes less is more. Right now, your users are generating too much low-value content--so much so that I noticed it long before the writing of this post. Hopefully, you figure something out.

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Feb 28, 2019

Thanks brother - the advice is very much appreciated!

If you want your site to grow @WallStreetOasis.com you need to more carefully curate your content. I've said this before, but I'll reiterate here: relying entirely on user-generated content is a long-term losing strategy for you in my opinion.

Right, the issue I think here is the format. We've been investing/putting out premium content for years (webinars, podcasts, etc.). I think the problem is that if it doesn't hit an industry forum it's almost like it doesn't exist :-) -- so maybe our issue is just featuring/getting that content into the community as forum topics so that more people see it and doubling down on these initiatives.

I don't think we're going to get away from the fact that WSO is a career-oriented site and a lot of the discussions are going to revolve around breaking in....but I think if we get better at curating and featuring/integrating free premium content into the community, it could change the perception and give more utility to the certified users.

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Mar 4, 2019

I agree that much of the podcasts etc struggle to reach its audience (i still don't know where to find them on this site and only stumble across them because I see the occasional posts on facebook). Maybe you could create a thread with each video which would also allow discussion in the comments below it.

Another feature I thought of is to sticky threads with valuable/interesting content at the top of each industry (possibly with say a week timer) so they don't quickly get lost with the crappy ones.

Also, have you looked at expanding the site to covering daily market news/events? Sites like efinancialcareers (publishes around 5 career-related articles daily) which makes me actively want to check the site rather than if I'm bored and have nothing else to do.

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Mar 4, 2019

It's strange that I joined this forum right now but I guess it's soon enough for me ( I just got into second year of my engineering BS ). btw can you share your experiences like how this forum helped you or link me to a similar thread. I am new and it's way much complicated here

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Mar 4, 2019

IMO trash / repetitive threads need to be deleted. Prime examples here: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/ultimate-gu... https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/how-to-brea...

So much garbage everywhere and basically just need to cull 1) people not doing any research at all and posting repeat threads - fine if somebody says I looked at a bunch of old threads and came to conclusions xyz, but was wondering about abc instead, or if there have been new pertinent developments, asking if that changes anything 2) inaccurate threads or comments where kids still in school or barely out of school are pretending like they're experts for precious internet points.

Also, I feel like the bar for certified professionals should be higher - I feel like you need to first prove that you are making value add contributions to the site for that designation. Sometimes I see people w/ the certified tag giving wildly inaccurate statements. In the 1st thread I linked above, for instance, somehow "Invest in Texas" is certified, yet he's made 2 comments ever and both are trash.

Also, there should be an "expand all" button or option somewhere unless I missed it. I like the collapsed threads most of the time, but sometimes I want to see everything, usually when revisiting an old thread and when it's collapsed you can't ctrl+f the entire thread effectively.

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Feb 28, 2019

Thank you for the suggestions. Moderation and culling is a monster job for such an active forum and I think the team we do have (with the help of the community) does a decent job. There is no way we can stop any/all moronic threads but I think we can find a way to promote the more interesting/premium content to the top of the forums...

How about in order to get Certified you need at least a 5:1 SB to MS ratio and have a minimum of 10 SBs? I think that will be fairly easy to explain/enforce and will prevent just any professional from getting the designation.

Are there other forums that have an expand all button and/or any suggestions on where you think this would be most intuitive for you?

Thanks,
Patrick

ps - we now have filters that make it easy to jump to the top threads by week, month, year and all time. we also have the hall of fame posts...but maybe we need to go a step further and for the top trending threads, bump them to the top of each forum container page automatically...so they don't get lost in the shuffle of lower quality discussions

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Mar 4, 2019

Yeah, I'm thinking those just need to be straight up removed if it is too repetitive or irrelevant.

On certified, yeah, I dunno what the ratio threshold actually needs to be, but that combined with a minimum # of SBs I think is great.

And I'm just thinking maybe like how you have the small +s and -s, have one next to Comment (#) that just says "+ open all" or something like that.

Mar 4, 2019

WSO has always been invaluable to me.

Sure some threads may be redundant to some users, but for new users (like myself many moons ago), I really enjoyed reading every single unique perspective I could find and weighing each of them subjectively. This isn't a real problem.

My only problem, and I don't necessarily think it's WSO's to solve, is that I've grown too senior for 95% of the content that once put me on "the inside track". At this point in my career + 6 years on WSO, there are very few users that post about career concepts that are novel to me. It sucks because WSO has been my greatest mentor from college until recently and I don't know where to have these continuing conversations.

But with that said, I think I'll always be around for the personalities, the community and carthartic writing.

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Mar 5, 2019

^This is pretty much me. Has helped me through thinking through my analyst, associate, and junior VP career, and was like a mentor. Now there arent enough "what it takes to get to the partner" level discussions.

Also, not sure what the content ranking formula is, but it should be like reddit where I see the hot posts first versus the ones with zero comments...

Mar 1, 2019

Sort by hot already exists man

excel is my canvas, and data is my paint - new york - brunch conesseiour - atheist - centrist - ENFP - TCU alum

Feb 28, 2019

agreed on making the hot/trending more visible in the forum containers. We're on it :-)

Feb 28, 2019

new default forum container views live

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Mar 6, 2019

Finance is slowly dying...

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Mar 6, 2019

And I'm thinking this site is dead. The ratio of college kids to real professionals is crazy high.

And don't get it twisted, I'm far from a professional, just no longer in college.

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Mar 4, 2019

A couple of other things I didn't mention earlier.

First is it might be a good idea to move all the recruiting-specific threads to a separate "recruiting" forum category, similar to how all resume reviews are on their own forum. Right now, for example, top threads I see are:

  1. FT 2020 Thread
  2. Point72 Academy Summit Hirevue Invites
  3. Prep for Investment Banking Interviews
  4. Where did you go to school and where did you end up
  5. Feel Like I Got Conned - Small No-Name Boutique
  6. M7 IB Associate Full-Time Recruiting
  7. JP Morgan Investment Banking Junior Analyst Full Time Program
  8. Citi Early ID 2019 Program

Of the top 8, 6 are for recruiting and 3 are for specific firms. As somebody who's been in finance for a few years now, I don't want to even open any of the above recruiting threads, except for maybe the "Prep for Investment Banking Interviews" one. That means only 2 of the top 8 are ones I think could be actually relevant / interesting - pretty bad hit rate IMO for what is compelling to professionals, and professionals are who drive the high quality content and discussion on this site. I think you could keep #3 in the IB forum since that is more broad discussion and not specific to any cycle or firm, but anything that is current timeline, firm specific, etc. should be moved elsewhere.

Second related point is having all the bank reviews and salary / bonus posts as part of the thread feed dilutes what people see as actual content. I think those should be on their own sidebar, similar to how you have the "total avg comp," "popular content," and polls on the right hand side of the page. If you include the WSO Hall of Fame and Skyway Capital Partners Salary & Bonus spots on the page, that means the hit rate for what I even want to click on is only 2 out of the top 10.

Also, IMO you need to move the popular content section up to the top, above the comp / growth / satisfaction / advancement sections and not below.

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Feb 28, 2019

great points.

  1. what do you think of the new default forum container views? higher hit rate now? have you or do you ever use the top content filters?
  2. will have popular content block up to the top again of right sidebar before end of today.

Thanks,
Patrick

Mar 21, 2019

I think it is just you. Everyone been slowly dying since the day they wur born