Jefferies 2022 Outlook

Hey all, current sophomore here. I go to a target for most banks, but not Jefferies, and heading into recruiting, I would love to get a better view on how Jefferies is these days and what their outlook is like. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

 
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I can provide some background. Full disclosure, I currently work at Jefferies after lateraling from a mid-BB as an An2. This is based on my own experience.

In terms of a general firm-wide overview, I think Jefferies is really transforming from a scrappy underdog into much more of an institutionalized bank. Jefferies has expanded like crazy over the past few years through poaching seniors from other banks, and around ~25% of our MDs are in their first year, which is insane. I feel like the general perception of Jefferies still lags a few years behind, and a lot of people don't realize how big of a player Jefferies is now. Last year, Jefferies recorded nearly $1.9B in advisory fees (above Citi and Lazard, and nearly 90% that of BofA's) and $4.4B in total IB revenues (over 85% that of BofA), and Jefferies does it with a much smaller headcount than every BB. I do think Jefferies has largely outgrown the label of being an upper-MM and is now in a sort of a no-man's land (DCM practice and global presence too small to be considered a "true BB", IB revenue stream too diversified to be considered one of the "established independents" like Lazard or Evercore). Our deal flow has also scaled to be too large to be a "true" MM (Average FY-21 deal size of $1.21B, over 102 M&A transactions >$1B in FY-21, and according to our 10-K we completed $380.4B of deals in FY-21). I'm extremely optimistic about our future, and I do think that we'll continue to scale upwards (although we'll continue to be a "jack-of-all-trades" rather than a BB). Our recent partnerships with Mass Mutual and SMBC have really positioned us to expand our LevFin franchise, which is the cornerstone of our IB division. Unlike other banks, especially a lot of balance-sheet banks and BBs, we'll also live and die on our IB franchise, so IB will always be prioritized and grown.

Culture-wise, Jefferies is an interesting bank. Jefferies has grown extremely rapidly through poaching other MDs, and culture is really set by the seniors, so culture across the bank really varies by group and office. Healthcare definitely has a much more blue-blooded culture (top guys are all ex-UBS guys), and even though Lorello is gone, I hear that the strict demanding culture that he set there is still ingrained (although I came to Jefferies at the very end of Lorello's tenure). Tech varies by office, and the other groups are definitely a bit more relaxed. At the junior level, Jefferies culture is definitely very "fratty" and "work-hard, play-hard". Compared to the BB I was at, the juniors I work with now are definitely more chill as a whole and are also a bit more extroverted. 

Experience-wise, Jefferies is sweaty. There's no getting around it; to generate the revenues comparable to BBs with fewer bankers requires more hours and more work at every level. It's exasperated by the firm's growth, as senior headcount has grown rapidly and junior headcount hasn't caught up. On the flip side, junior exposure and responsibility is great. As a junior, you're often expected to "play up", and you'll definitely be getting in your deal reps and modeling experience. Personally, I have far more responsibility now than at my previous BB, and my deal exposure has been far better, especially in terms of M&A deal exposure. Jefferies also rewards you for your work and pays above the street in all-cash bonuses. There is a clawback for associates and up if you leave for a competing bank (not applicable for unrelated exits such as CorpDev or buy-side) though.

In terms of exits, Jefferies has improved tremendously over recent years, but isn't on-par with mid-BBs yet. MF is always a crapshoot, but I know of some people from Energy, Healthcare, and RX who placed to MF in the past. UMM and MM are very doable from nearly every group, and placement largely comes down to analyst background and strength. Placement at Jefferies is not on par with the BB I was at (Barcap/BofA/Citi), but is improving, and unless you're only gunning for MF or the most selective UMM firms, placement at Jefferies is nearly equal with my former BB, holding analyst background and group reputation equal. 

In terms of groups, Energy, HC, LevFin, Industrials, and Tech are the better ones. Energy and HC get the best exits (obviously with an asterisk for Energy) but have the worst cultures. Tech's culture depends on office and are overall quite good (UMM is very doable and lots of people go to reputable MM shops). Industrials has a solid culture and top MM is also very doable, and LevFin has a pretty good and chill culture. PCA isn't traditional IB, but Jefferies poached the ex-Greenhill PCA team, supposedly the best on the street, and supplemented the group with some hirings from Guggenheim and PJT, so PCA should be a strong group, although I don't know anything about PCA.

Of the other groups, REGL is fine (not a super strong group, but deal flow is still solid + you get to work on all the Fertitta deals), C&R is solid but unspectacular, and Media & Telecom should be avoided (deal flow is OK but is the weakest of all coverage groups, and culture set by the seniors is horrible). Two groups to keep an eye out for are FIG and P&U (which technically isn't its own group but is differentiated enough to count). FIG used to be one of the weaker groups, but Jefferies just poached essentially all of CS FIG as well as some seniors from JPM and Barclays, and FIG's already showing early signs of promise (heard deal flow was ramping up rapidly). The P&U team was gutted when most of the seniors left for Cantor in 2017/18, but Jefferies has reloaded with a string of solid senior hires from MS and RBC. The P&U team has definitely established a solid foundation and deal flow has picked up significantly. RX used to be a great group until the seniors left for Moelis, and really isn't a large player these days, although Jefferies did hire two PJT RSSG seniors in 2020. I honestly don't see Jefferies focusing on RX that much in the future, as RX and originating/syndicating loans are essentially opposites and Jefferies is strategically focusing on the latter. Most of their deal flow these days is on UCC mandates.

Since you're recruiting, expect the interview process to be more technical than BB interviews, but definitely easier than EB interviews. If you're interviewing for one of the regional groups, expect the process to be more rigorous. The regional offices kick off in the Spring (not completely plugged in but I believe the offices recruit around April/May) while NY recruits later in the Summer (late July/August). Once again, I'm not 100% sure as I'm not the most plugged in about recruiting, but I believe you can submit up to 2 applications. 
Lmk if I can answer any other questions, but hopefully this post was useful enough to provide a general overview of the firm.

 

Yeah, although I should have used the term regional offices rather than groups in my earlier post. Jefferies IBD has regional offices in SF, Houston, Charlotte, Dallas, Richmond, Boston, and apparently one in LA as well. A number of the niche offices have niche groups, which I believe is part of the firm's strategy to offer sectoral specialism and enable it to build and maintain stronger relationships with clients.

- SF: Tech. A lot of the seniors are ex-CS guys. Deal flow is good there, solid mix of ECM and M&A. Don't know too many people in the office, but I've heard the culture can be pretty sweaty, but exits are solid (UMM PE and growth doable).

- Houston: Energy and a few renewables people. Obviously very strong group, very A&D focused traditionally but also expanding in the other divisions, especially in oilfield services. Also poached an ex-PJT RSSG person to bolster Energy RX, although I'm not sure if he sits in NY or Houston. Sweaty culture but great energy exits if you're into that.

- Charlotte: ADG, REGL, Tech-enabled Services, and C&R. ADG and Tech-enabled services are very strong groups, and REGL and C&R are solid as well. I've heard culture is very collegial and fratty, but hours are pretty tough and all the groups down there grind hard. I don't keep up with CLT analyst exits, but I know a couple years ago ADG sent someone to Carlyle and Tech-enabled services placed their entire class into MM PE, so exits are probably pretty solid.  

- Dallas: PCA team poached from Greenhill. Supposedly a very strong team, although I know nothing about the group or the PCA scene in general.

- Richmond: Transportation and Logistics. Strong in the space, and I've heard culture is great there as well (MDs are supposedly super nice, genuine people, and really set a great culture from the top). The group loves recruiting from UR.

- Boston: Automotive aftermarkets. Very niche group, although they have a solid reputation in the space. Don't know too much about the group.

- LA: Completely forgot we had a group down there. I think it's a relationship office, mostly seniors with a few supporting juniors, and I don't believe that they recruit out of undergrad.

 

Is SA for NY generalist or are do interns have a group placement process beforehand?

 

Any stories about Lorello? I always heard that he was one of the most old-school MDs on the street.

 

Personally don't, but heard from a SVP in HC that Lorello wanted to have access to Bloomberg data from anywhere in the world, anytime, so he always required that someone be on a Bloomberg terminal 24/7 in the office (so analysts would take shifts covering the Bloomberg terminal). Also heard that in the first few years Lorello came to Jefferies, he took attendance on the floor precisely at 9am every day, and everyone from analysts to SVPs would have to be there. From those stories, I have no doubt that Lorello embodied the blue-blooded Wall Street culture of the old days.

 

I followed the CEO on instagram a few months ago. seems like a chill dude. Although it seems like he spends most of his day posting random shit on his story or commenting on other posts. 

 

Wanted to provide some extra color for JEF groups

LevFin: Was the most difficult group to place into for past two years in terms of raw numbers. Hours / culture is considerably better than other top groups within JEF with the same and in some cases better exits, so this attracts a lot of kids and makes it very difficult to get placed there. Very much so a networking game here, story for why LF really matters as well, definitely more than other groups since they are such a unique group compared to other LF groups on the street (hairy, creative deals, true banking/origination group with separate capital markets team, etc). The full blown hardo kids that want to go straight to TPG after two years definitely do pref HC tho. Typical exits are broad given the nature of the product, primarily UMM PE, MM PE, MM or MF credit, L/S HF, and the occasional startup.

HC: Very competitive, but not as competitive as LF since reputation for rough hours detracts a lot of kids. The group is huge and they hire a TON of analysts (more than LF), so if you really want HC it's actually not that hard to place into it from a numbers perspective. Generally, the most hardo kids go for it that 100% will want to leave after 2 years. Excellent PE placement, w MF being relatively common if you want it. You will find a lot of JEF folks will tend to self select UMM for PE. Straight large cap PE exits are the best out of the NY JEF groups.

Tech. Great group that does M&A in house in both SF and NY. SF is more focused on software, hardware and internet while NY is more on TES with CLT. JEF SF has been killing it in M&A and ECM as of late and analysts have gotten several MF interviews and UMM placement. 

M&A: Tough group to get placed in. Good group but honestly overrated imo from an hours / experience / PE exits ratio. The exits are great, but MF will be very rare with hours (along with pretty much all M&A groups) being pretty tough. Part of this is the nature that JEF's top coverage groups run M&A in house (HC, energy, tech), so you will primarily be working on industrials deals on the M&A side (which are still great btw, just tend to be more UMM deal size focused but are growing). Most exits will be strong MM PE shops along with UMM PE sprinkled in. Nearly everyone who recruits for PE will get an offer somewhere out of M&A.

Industrials: It's about everyone's second choice if they don't get one of the above. It's the best coverage group for exits that doesnt do M&A in house. Exits are also very good for PE, primarily MM PE and UMM PE. Very, very solid choice and if you pref them as your first choice and network hard early on you are likely to get an offer unless you suck. 

The rest are smaller but are still solid. FIG is rapidly growing due to senior hires from CS, media is smaller but growing, closed multiple $1b+ deals this year, Power is small, but has killed it this year and is underrated in terms of infra fund placements, Gaming within REGAL is excellent (did draft kings / golden nugget sell side among other large mandates). The reality is that most data on this forum re JEF is quite stale. The growth has been truly explosive across all groups, and it's not just in fees (every bank is growing), it's in market share

 

When should incoming analysts start networking with the different groups?

 

Can you speak a bit more on the regional Industrials verticals in CLT, Boston, and Richmond? Thanks.

 

Any opinion of Jeff HC for associates with senior banking aspirations?

 

You will sweat and sweat hard, but it is a great place for career bankers. The group will give you great deal exposure across all verticals and products. Jefferies also pays very well for performing associates and up, and Jefferies loves promoting its lifers to MDs over people who lateraled to the bank at some point (that being said Jefferies has a slightly longer SVP (or Director/ED) period than some other banks.

 

Does the general Industrials group (excluding the niche sectors in satellite offices) only sit in NY?

 

Yeah I have seen people do it at the end of their summer internship (saw people go from NYC to SF, CLT to NYC). Specially because you are interested in switching to HOU and not out of it, I don't see why you won't be able to do that at the end of your summer. Out of curiosity, why are you super interested in Energy?

 

What's FSG like? I understand it's not exactly like the FSG groups at other banks.

 

From what I've heard, they don't really do any modeling. It's much more of a relationship-based role, and aren't nearly as technical as other FSG teams.

 

Higher than BBs. Some group(s) pay at EB level. Associates+ is top of the street for top buckets. 

Lol Houston might pay top of street but they don’t have a ton of other groups that are really close. 
 

know plenty of guys who have lateraled out for better pay

 

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