Obama's birth certificate is fake

"Was the Kony phenomenon created to take fire away from the fact that Obama is not an American citizen?"

Bullshit. I have been in touch with some of the folks at Invisible Children for the past year and they did not anticipate the virality.

On the other hand, I'm surprised the birth certificate forgery issue hasn't received the attention that it deserves.

What's ironic is that both Obama and McCain weren't born in the US.

You're trolling, right?

I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but that is farfetched.

Wow, an Arizona sheriff "found" his birth certificate to be fake. That is just wild. I mean, when a random Arizona sheriff questions the validity of a public official's past, you listen.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out why this Arizona sheriff is so legit and why he was investigating this in the first place.

Of course, who else can you trust but the good ol' folk in Arizona?

If you go on his website, he posts "mugshot of the day". Yeah, this guy is ridiculous and a grade A wacko. People like this are why there is so much animosity towards law enforcement.

lol.... mugshot of the day, that's really weird if you're supposed to be a sheriff.

So this guy wasn't actually assigned to do this? He just did it because he felt like it? That doesn't seem like he may have had an anti-Obama bias in the first place at all...

Yea, Arpaio is a douche. That doesn't mean his investigation doesn't have any substance. IF they actually uncover something worth going to trial with, then this makes the news.

1st of all, really? Anyone still believes this BS?

2nd of all, even if it were true, who gives a shit? Does anyone here really care if a president was born in the US?

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All the proof I need to have is that the governor of Hawaii was campaigning with McCain during the 08 election. If that shit was fake it definitely would have gotten leaked then. Fucking idiotic shit to be concerned about in the first place anyway.

this was a kind of ill response though LOL:

https://twitter.com/#!/BenLaBolt/status/175315677375234049

Maybe you're not too familiar with US history, but none of our founding fathers are US born.

That's a cool story, bro, but we're not talking about the founding fathers, we're talking about the Presidents of the US. All of the Presidents before Monroe were born in British America and were living here when the country was founded.

Yeah, but some people realize that some laws are unnecessary/fucking stupid. These are US laws, not the ten commandments.

I bet you think a couple of responsible adults deserve jail time for smoking a doobie too, huh? I mean it is the law...

Because that part of the Constitution was what made the US what it is today...

Oh seabird..

I wish there was a way to completely invalidate the Obama presidency. I think his election was a combination of populist backlash, a favorable socioeconomic background, and the best fundraising effort ever seen in a US election. He has effectively demonized my profession, and has steered the country towards the European welfare state model (because it is working so well over there).

But, I really doubt that this is legit. Consider where we are reading this: pravda.ru? If this was real, the WSJ would have it plastered all over the front page.

Arpaio has more clout than the average sheriff, but still isn't exactly an authoritative source. If it was something as simple as a forged document, I am almost certain some think tank would have noticed.

Ok, firstly, the reason the US born requirement was put in there is our early ancestors were afraid of the British taking back control of the settlements. Is that really something that worries you?

I bet you are also a strong supporter of the third amendment. I am so glad we continue to have that law, I just had soldiers try to quarter in my home the other day, but luckily, since it wasn't wartime, I could point at the amendment and send them away.

I just said I wasn't Christian, you don't have to convince me...

I think you understand the point I was getting at

I'm surprised this whole Obama thing is still going on. I mean, seriously? I'm not a big fan of him, but if you don't like the guy, hate him for a legit reason. This is just like the fall of 08 when actual conservative journalists from publications like the weekly standard were critiquing him on his economic and social policies. Meanwhile, FoxNews and idiots on the far right are only talking about Bill Ayers. Never mind the spending and his liberalism..."this just in, Reverend Wright hates America". But then again, middle America loves this bullshit.

And honestly, if the foreign birth was true, do you really think the government, congress, any private and public agency would go along with the Inauguration? Don't you think they would look into that shit? Imagine a couple of days before inauguration day...

low level government employee: Look senator Obama, hate to be an asshole, but you were born here in the US...right? senator Obama: yes, in Hawaii low level government employee: cool thanks, ya know, I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask. senator Obama: it's alrght

And if the foreign birth is true, someone tell Schwarzenegger, cause now he's got a shot.

Oh, and Pravda said it was forged.....so case closed

Is Pravda still an official publication of the Communist party?... I am sure this source is trustworthy, that's why I did not even bother to open it...

Hi my name is DRX and I am a douchebag and I think I can just ignore laws I don't like.

It's easy to adumbrate reasons for why the US might want to keep its restrictive Presidential eligibility laws.

The native born law exists first and foremost as a basic security measure. While once it was applied in order to counteract British influence, now it counteracts the world's. The law is a natural bulwark against international espionage and domestic sabotage. Our politicians have shown time and time again that they are vulnerable to outside influence. Lobbies of both corporations and foreign countries exert massive pressure on Congress, and as a result sometimes upend public interest. The President being born in the US, in addition to the a priori public expectation that he be raised and reside in the country, serves as a defense against country-crushing conflicting interests and dual alliances that can arrange from foreign governments, who themselves might have nearly unlimited resources. Even if a President were suspected to serve another master, the mere fact he was raised and mostly lived in the US would gift law enforcement and intelligence agencies increased ability to sniff out when and where and how he turned.

Also, the fact the US political system requires politicians to gallivant their patriotism is also an informal way of separating the wheat from the chaff. A politician that loves his country is less likely to purposefully undermine it.

Aside, there is also the age law (I think..) which stipulates must be X old to run for President. This qualification protects against the 25 yr. old College Republican or Kony 2012 crowd winning the Presidency after a tidal wave of populism and ruining the country. I liken it to finance or law: you want the partners running the firm because they have experience and understand the business. Analysts or associates are tireless workers but still only babes.

First off, the sheriff was petitioned by a couple hundred local citizens to check into it. They raised the issue over the legitimacy of Obama's birth in the US and expressed concern that he shouldn't be on the 2012 ballot if he didn't meet the criteria. I know a lot of people will want to hate on the sheriff, but in some ways, he is actually just doing the work for his constituents...through a non-profit, nonetheless, that raised money via donations (so, no cost to taxpayers).

I'm not saying there is any validity to the birth certificate investigation, but I think it's a legitimate question, regardless of what people's motives are. It's the law, it is what it is until it's changed.

And I'll openly admit I'm not a fan of Obama. I consider myself a patriot and I do take issue with folks that rub elbows with the likes of Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright and the others that he has associated himself with that say disparaging things about this country and often come across as anti-American. I guess it bothers me when the POTUS has close affiliations with those types of people.

I also take issue with the lack of attention that some of these semi-serious issues get with the mainstream media...so I'm less quick to call the private individuals that investigate these things 'nutjobs' because they should be looked into, an answer found and the case closed.

Again, I don't care for Obama and his policies, so admittedly I'm probably biased, but he has had one of the weirdest presidency that I've known of. There has been so little information about this guy running for president. In most cases you find people that used to hangout with the POTUS when he was in high school or college, old girlfriends, photos, etc...but none of this has ever really surfaced with Obama. I don't know, maybe it means nothing...but it just seems weird. Add in the fact that he took so long to release a birth certificate, which may seem to be a bit unreasonable to some but doesn't strike me as a huge request...and that he's reportedly spent a good chunk of change keeping his college transcripts a secret, etc. and all of that just plays into everyone's questions about his citizenship, etc. Why throw fuel on the fire??

Regards

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@cphbravo I would disagree that there was very little information available about the guy. He had written his first book that describes his early life up to entering Harvard Law School (Dreams of My Father, 1997). Then, because he delivered a good (some on the left would call it similar to speeches MLK would give) speech at the Democratic National Convention in '04, rumors and whispers began circulating that he should run in '08 and the news began reporting more about him. So I do think that the info was available but I don't think many people knew at the time to look apart from people who actively followed politics.

That is weird that there hasn't been many old friends, fellow students, etc who have come forward and talked about him before all of this, but whatever. As for the transcripts, I really don't see why he hasn't released them. After going to Occidental, Columbia, Harvard Law, all of which allowed him to be a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago, I'm going to assume he's smart, so why not release them?

As for the birth certificate, I guess he hesitated for awhile because he felt, you start with that, then they'll ask for something else and before you know it, you're constantly playing into their bullshit. Maybe he felt it was so ridiculous, he didn't have to respond, so he just ignored it.. Maybe he thought "no one has asked for anyone else's before me....why am I different?" And frankly, and please correctly if I'm wrong, I'm going to assume that the government looks into whether someone actually can be the president. There must be some kind of system in place that researches potential candidates, performs background checks, finds records to see if they are eligible for the job. And yes, even though I believe the birther stuff is complete bullshit, Sheriff Arpaio is just doing his job, even if the task at hand is ludicrous.

This thread is why I am consistently too embarrassed to vote Republican.

Obama didnt release his birth certificate because the GOP going nuts over it makes them all look like idiots. The fact that this is still talked about is insane.

what this boils down to is that a lot of rednecks don't like the negro presidente and they want to de-legitimize him any way they can.

come on, at least we can say that all presidents have been at least half white since 1788.

How is this news... I thought we covered this.

O. M. G!!!! ITS OFFICIAL... that some fucknuckle russian website reported that Obama's birth certificate is fake based on the observations of an Arizona sheriff without any qualificaitons to judge whether or not the certifiate was a forgery.

oh and also Kony is also involved somehow!!

Mitt Romney's father was born in a Mormon colony in Mexico and John McCain was ACTUALLY not born in America. Why aren't these issues? Why doesn't fat-faced Arpaio go investigate that??

Anyone who believes Obama was born outside this country is a moron.

This issue has been put to bed with beyond the shadow of doubt proof in the form of a legit birth certificate presented to the entire world for scrutiny. Why would I believe Sheriff Joe was the only guy to spot the forgery when millions of others agree it is legit?

The types of no-nothing dingbats who repeatedly spread this garbage - Trump, Palin, Joe the Plumber - are embarrassments to the Republican party and our country.

Regarding Obama’s birth certificate. Yeah. It is disgusting that even such an easily discoverable poor lie still works as intended for the coverup.

But that is what the United States has become and has been for many years. Their lies do not even have to be good enough to really convince without it being able to be known that the lies (official stories) are obvious bullshyt, yet they still hold sway and work as desired and intended for those who want or need the coverup “official” stories (that those of us who aren’t stupid know are lies). That is what we have had for a long time, and it has only gotten worse over the years. That is the reality that we live in now.

Now what are we going to do? Raise awareness? Most people don’t even want to know the truth when it is so big and bad and ugly that is rocks their world / shakes up their world view so much, so significantly, that it is hard to handle / hard to bear. Many people will ignore the truth as too hard to bear, and will, in fact prefer to believe the more comfotable to believe falsehood/lies, rather than the truth, instead. Face it. That is also true. I know. Many of you do, too. Many don’t.

And for those many that don’t, what goes with it, is that they do not want to know, and would ignore the truth if faced with it, or if it was presented to them, anyway. They already have. Now what? What next? Things probably get worse. Human nature has a lot that is not so good.

Obama has not done differently than most politicians in liying. Lying is so common among politicians, it is what it takes to get there, and they just get used to it. What would be ridiculous to the point of being totally asinine is if anyone was so naive as to believe politicians are honest and do not lie. So, face it. Yes, Obama’s birth cetificate was a fake, and that many know it, has made no difference.

That point is common among many other significant issues as well. JFK assassination. 9/11. War on terrorism. Our monetary system including the FED and the IRS. Bad laws and plans for a bleek future of worsening circumstances and conditions deliberately meant and intended to happen at some future time. And so on.

It all can be easily ridiculed as sounding silly or stupid or crazy, which means nothing as to whether it is true or not. Something can sound unbelievable, and yet still be true. People need to get a grip on that, and not allow shallow ridicule to force them to believe that something cannot be true because of superficial ridicule that it sounds unbelievable. It just means that the bigger and badder a thing is, the easier it is for people in power to get away with seriously wrong things, because it sounds and seems unbelievable. JFK “conspiracy theory nuts”, 9/11 “Truthers”, “Birthers”, “Tax protesters”, etc..

Why aren’t people taught such things as “the Hegelian dialectic”, and the principle of “divide and conquer”, etc.? Crises are deliberately made to happen, so that resultant changes involved in supposedly “solving the crisis” also happen as intended. “The Pentagon Papers” proved to us the fraudulent nature of war as far back as Vietnam. Politicians are corrupt sellouts who act with duplicity and are fully cooperative with the NWO agenda. Look at so many bad laws in place that if used in the future would change our way of life very significantly.

Now, that it is too hard to be consciously aware of those facts, proceed to willfully ignore it all. Most people actually prefer their own ignorances as being more comfortable instead of the cold hard truth. What you will get from most people is them treating you like you do not know what you are talking about if they do not know what you are talking about.