Rock Bottom but ain't giving up

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Hey guys,

I graduated from non-target college (Baruch College) last year majoring in Finance with Economics minor. I have a GPA just below 3.0. I enjoy finance industry, especially capital markets. It's been a year, yes, a full year since I've been applying for jobs. I used LinkedIn, Indeed, and applied directly. To some companies like BoA I've applied for 20 positions. I have gotten only 3 phone interviews from no name companies, and guess what? Even I couldn't get a job at companies that no one heard of.

That's not all. I've been living inside my Toyota Camry for 10 months. It's been exactly 10 months. I'm a 6'' tall guy sleeping on the backseat of Camry. Winter has been severe but summer is worse. I have lots of student loans, credit card debt, personal loan, car payments to make so I decided to cut on rent to save myself from bankruptcy. Shower at the gym everyday and workout. Lost 60 lbs and gained decent amount of muscle. That's pretty good. For work I've been delivering food with UberEats 7 days a week. It was making about 700-800 a week but it got slower lately. I guess people don't order food much during the summer. It got worse and I made 500-600 for 7 days of work.

It doesn't stop there. I've been parking at Vince Lombardi Service Area in New Jersey and sleeping in my car there. Nobody bothered me, a sheriff knocked on my window once but he understood. Yesterday 6/2 Vince Lombari service area was closed. Turns out they closed it for renovation and it's gonna open next summer. Now I don't have a safe place to sleep in my car.

I have read dozens of books about trading, economics, investments, algorithms and stuff in that spectrum. I love reading and am a self improvement freak. At first I was applying for trader roles only, after not successful attempts tried to apply for equity research analyst, then any kind of analyst (financial, credit, anything). Right now I'm lost. Is my resume bad? I don't have an experience in finance but how do I get an experience? Do I have to knock on the doors to ask for a job?

If anyone knows someone hiring in finance please help a hustler out. I'm good at math and numbers, enjoy doing research, solving puzzles, and have a quantitative mind. Can code on python little bit and enjoy anything that involves logic.

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Jun 3, 2019

Message my inbox with your phone number and let me know when you're able to speak tonight between 8pm and 9pm.

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Jun 4, 2019

This is awesome! I hope you guys got in touch and you were able provide some help to him.

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Jun 4, 2019

Yes--we were able to connect yesterday and putting out a few feelers on behalf of him.

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Jun 7, 2019

Guys, this is a great example of how good it feels to help someone when they need it. It's this super hero skill we all have to change a fucking life. We should all do it more. This isn't charity; unless the guy is lying he just needs someone to open a door for him. It's like the great joke from Chris Rock:

"I'd always end up broken down on the highway. When I stood there trying to flag someone down, nobody stopped. But when I pushed my own car, other drivers would get out and push with me. If you want help, help yourself - people like to see that."

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Jun 3, 2019

Keep hustling champ, wishing you nothing but the best. Please keep us updated on your journey and don't give up.

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Jun 3, 2019

Love this post.

Best part - you never once said "poor me".

Not sure where you're located but I'd be happy to be of assistance if possible.

"Out the garage is how you end up in charge
It's how you end up in penthouses, end up in cars, it's how you
Start off a curb servin', end up a boss"

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Jun 3, 2019

I went to college in NYC but currently living in New Jersey, right next to NY. It's easier to do food deliveries on a car. Plus I dont get tickets.

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die

Jun 3, 2019

"...this is the kid, calls me 59 days in a row, wants to be a player. There ought to be a picture of you in the dictionary under persistence kid."

OP, I love the hustle and ability suffer. You remind me of myself at the same age losing tons of weight trying to subsist on my ideals. But listen, Bud Fox, if you want to be a player you need to take that grit and grind down different obstacles. And learn some Tai Chi, not everything can be defeated with brute force.

Here's probably what it gets down to, Are you;

  1. Working very hard to get someone to give you a job?
  2. Working hard to unearth opportunities?
  3. Just delusional because the economy seems to be bursting with jobs?

Solution #1 is (mostly) linear but it starts with a much better GPA at a much better school. It's linear but requires a tremendous amount of work and early maturity (something I never had).

Solution #2 is the fail-safe because everyone can apply and there are gobs and gobs and gobs of opportunity, and that's just in America. But the path is uncertain and unknown and non-linear.

There's an old saying that if you want to get hit by a car, you need to go play in traffic. Its true. You've got to get out of your own head and into someone else's.

Send me a PM with your (anonymous and detailed) personal balance sheet and I'll give you some advice on working out those debts.

Best of luck.

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Jun 4, 2019

Army -> MBA ->IB/MBB and it will get your life back on track buddy

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Jun 4, 2019

The below 3.0 GPA will ding you from most automated resume screeners...you will need a personal connection to get past that automated screener from almost every large company. However, people have solved how to do this.

All is not lost...this is where networking comes into play. There is a great networking post on this site that describes how to go about the coffee chat to network your way into a job.

Go read This Post About Networking

It goes basically like this
1) use linked-in to find mid level people (associate/VP and above) to reach out to and ask to have a coffee chat about their career and for some advice. Reach out to hundreds of people this way (1 per firm at first...you want to avoid appearing to be a spammer)
2) most will ignore your request, at the coffee chat...but some will accept. Try to keep it to around 10 minutes...and in that 10 minutes, ask about what they do on an avg day, what skills and abilities they think makes for a good member of their team, and where they see the need for more people in that part of the industry.
3) thank them for their time, and ask them if they can think of someone else you should talk to who is in a position where they need more people, to get another perspective on the industry. (this is the ask, you are essentially asking for a referral)

4) contact the referral, and tell them so and so suggested you reach out to talk about the industry, and would they have time to sit down for a chat over coffee.

This 2nd referral is where you ask similar questions to the 1st, but because you came in from a personal referral (psychological pressure), you can then ask at the end if they know of a need for junior members on a team, could he/she help you get an interview / introduction to that team.

While the 1st time you do this might not yield fruit...with 10+ of these types of networking attempts, you most likely will find people you mesh well with, who will push for you to get a slot for an interview.

The more openings for the type of role you are looking for, the easier this will be.
There aren't many openings for junior trader roles, so this does not seem like a great idea for you to be pursuing. However, IB analysts quit every year to pursue other roles (IB for 1-2 years --> hedgefund / PE analyst/associate seems to be the typical route...which means IB analysts are always leaving...so there is a pipeline of constant hiring). You might not be able to get into GS or JPM this way...but the middle market should be a reasonable path....and will still pay 90k+ per year to start...with much higher pay as you get beyond the 1st year analyst.

i would also suggest searching for jobs in tech companies like Twitter, Amazon, etc. They are not all hardcore C++ programmers....tech companies need sales reps, and all sorts of other roles that you have never heard of...and tech pays better then most industries (my friend who does marketing used to make 80k/year working for NYTimes at 28 yrs old, and then got a job doing the same exact thing at twitter, but got paid 200k)

just google it...you're welcome

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Jun 4, 2019

I'd bet serious money on you. Right now may suck, but it's clear you have another level of determination. Once you get your break in, you'll be wildly successful.

I'm rooting for you!

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Jun 4, 2019

Have you thought about reading the Bible? Give God a chance, since you've tried almost everything else.

That said, you have a compelling story. What's your total debt balance? You should consider applying to a pre-experience, graduate business school (MSF/MIM). They'll appreciate your adversity and it will give you another shot at improving your profile and at recruiting.

Good luck!

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Jun 4, 2019

Have I consideree Bible? Or course within 10 months of living in a car I've considered nearly all religions but I knew that wouldn't help. It'd only help spiritually/mentally.

Instead of that I started eating one meal a day (mostly canned food, spend about $5 a day for 2000 calorie meal) but enough nutrition and fasting for 23 hours. It helped me to lose lots of weight and get into shape (even building muscle now). Also fasting is super good for mental health. That shit keeps me positive and sharp. On top of that add gym everyday. That endorphine rush after workout makes you feel undestructable.

Instead of Bible I'd suggest anyone to read Peak Performance. It gives an equation: Stress + Rest = Growth.
I think religion is good but to keep it real we all need to improve both physically and mentally.

Little bit of grind and hustle is all what we need.

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die

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Jun 4, 2019

great response

WSO's COO (Chief Operating Orangutan) | My Linkedin

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Jun 4, 2019

...

just google it...you're welcome

Jun 8, 2019

Very impressive could you please tell me what you typically buy with $5 to get 2000 calories.
I try to maximize my calorie to dollar ratio because I typically burn all my calories in a given day.

Jun 4, 2019

Stay strong OP! Keep hustling!

Greed is Good!

Jun 4, 2019

while i know many people will look down on this...if you have not already, you should goto a govt benefits office and get an EBT (food stamps) card.

we all pay taxes so that people in your situation will have a safety net...its not meant to forever..but until you get on your feet..and there is no shame...this is why we pay taxes...to help people in your situation get out of that situation.

just google it...you're welcome

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Jun 7, 2019

Dont do this. Admission of defeat. Keep struggling. You'll breakthrough and have the best "when I was your age" story to share in later life.

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Jun 7, 2019

As you say this from your million dollar manhattan condo.

Jun 7, 2019

Being humble (and mature) enough to ask for help is far from "admitting defeat." Actually, it's a leadership quality. How can you lead, or move upward, if you're hiding under pride.

How many business ventures have failed due to one or an entire team of people afraid of admitting defeat? Please. Pride over progess is a fucking epidemic. While I get the overall message in the post, this ideology is exactly why so many people have festering resentment that bleeds over into their career, personal life and health. Need help? Ask. Defeat is a mindset. Forward mobility requires action and that is what OP is doing--taking action. If gov't assistance is part of that equation, so be it. More money saved that can go toward things necessary for those upcoming interviews.

That said...

OP, we salute you. As someone who has been down and stared off that cliff of hopelessness, I commend you. Do your thing. Great things are turning. As long as you keep the mindset I've seen in this post, it will work out swimmingly for you. Probably better than you imagine.

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Jun 4, 2019

If you really want a job quick, try applying for Sales Development jobs in software sales.

They'll pay you 40-50k base salary and all you do is cold call all day. total comp 50-100k.

They'll take almost anyone with a college degree who can hustle. If you still want finance at least at that point you can troll networking events in NYC.

If you are serious let me know I can put you in touch with a recruiter.

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Jun 7, 2019

I'm looking for people like this in my own company - any idea where to look? Base is 30k with commissions $54k to $90k a year, we're in FiDi in NYC, and we're a bootstrapped start-up

Jun 7, 2019

Everyone is trying to get them so they are hard to recruit. 30k Base won't get you much in NYC.

My best advice is to allow remote. You can get some guys in lower COL areas who think 50-90k is a fortune.

However if you're looking for an AE let's chat.

Jun 4, 2019

If you're open to other industries, as someone already mentioned, definitely start applying to tech/startups. Several of them don't really care about your GPA as long as you can show you can contribute and have a logical mind. And especially for the non-engineering jobs, if you're a hustler (evidently) that's a positive sign! I'm currently at a FAANG; shoot me a message if you'd like a referral

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Jun 4, 2019

I went to Baruch, class of 2018. One year out just like you. PM me I'm here to help, if it wasn't for people helping me out I'd be in rough spot myself, I'll help you anyway I can. #Baruch

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Jun 5, 2019

Hey man. WSO is not allowing me to send more than 1 PM a day. Can you PM me your email?

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die

Jun 5, 2019

PM me was in your situation a few years ago. Shoot me your email in PM and we can set yup a time to talk.

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Jun 5, 2019

Mkay, so my prior is that your post is a prank and IRL you are employed and not homeless etc. But on an off chance that it's not, we can talk.

Jun 5, 2019

Technically I'm employed - I deliver food and get 1099-misc. Make peasant wage.

About being homeless. I dont think I am. I have a car and I choose to sleep in it. Is it comfortable? - no, but it's worth to sacrifice my comfort to protect myself from bankruptcy. I too want to maintain a good credit and buy a house someday.
I'm too leveraged at this point and can't afford to pay a rent. Maybe getting a car wasn't the best decision since car payment and insurance costs same as rent. But since I have it I decided to use it as my home (temp).

So when it all comes together I'm just someone who's hustling and trying to save the sinking ship. I think life is fair, we fuck up few things here and there and pay the price later. Life ain't all sunshine and rainbows, you should know it better.
Overall my experience is positive. I've learned a lot so far, developed a lot of grit, resilience, and became much stornger (physically and mentally).
Remember: Stress + Rest = Growth
WSO is not allowing me to send PM's. I think the limit is 1 or 2 per day. I'll try to PM you when I'll be able to.

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die

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Aug 21, 2019

why do people doubt this sitution? or think that absence of family support /any support is not plausible, during tragedy or trauma or simple hardship? It's so funny that so many people seem to think that this doesn't exist.

As one who has proven themselves in terms or academia, ambition, and hustle... yet has been in situations that could be considered much worse than this, I'm just like, why is this so hard for people to believe? My response is to a post above.

Furthermore, this thread is from a couple months ago. So I sincerely hope that your situation has improved, and you are moving forward, to where you should be / belong.

Jun 5, 2019

Op...do you have family you can stay with while you hustle looking for a job? Also...dont limit yourself to finance and nyc. Lots of fortune 500 companies in flyover states that want young grads willing to live in iowa or nebraska. Id consider it. Perhaps take a road trip to oil country....can make a great living out there

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Jun 5, 2019

Literally. With this guy's hustle, he could easily be a killer at an insurance company or agricultural firm in places such as Des Moines, Omaha, Kansas City, or Minneapolis.

"Work ethic, work ethic" - Vince Vaughn
Jun 5, 2019

A friend of mine lived in his truck for a couple of months too. Joined the Navy and they paid off his student debt. Got out after four years and now he's doing an MBA at a big state school. Future looks pretty bright. Also keep hustling. Best of luck.

When life gives you kefir and flour, make some blins.
Jun 5, 2019
Bill Ackman:

Hey guys,

I graduated from non-target college (Baruch College) last year majoring in Finance with Economics minor. I have a GPA just below 3.0. I enjoy finance industry, especially capital markets. It's been a year, yes, a full year since I've been applying for jobs. I used LinkedIn, Indeed, and applied directly. To some companies like BoA I've applied for 20 positions. I have gotten only 3 phone interviews from no name companies, and guess what? Even I couldn't get a job at companies that no one heard of.

That's not all. I've been living inside my Toyota Camry for 10 months. It's been exactly 10 months. I'm a 6'' tall guy sleeping on the backseat of Camry. Winter has been severe but summer is worse. I have lots of student loans, credit card debt, personal loan, car payments to make so I decided to cut on rent to save myself from bankruptcy. Shower at the gym everyday and workout. Lost 60 lbs and gained decent amount of muscle. That's pretty good. For work I've been delivering food with UberEats 7 days a week. It was making about 700-800 a week but it got slower lately. I guess people don't order food much during the summer. It got worse and I made 500-600 for 7 days of work.

It doesn't stop there. I've been parking at Vince Lombardi Service Area in New Jersey and sleeping in my car there. Nobody bothered me, a sheriff knocked on my window once but he understood. Yesterday 6/2 Vince Lombari service area was closed. Turns out they closed it for renovation and it's gonna open next summer. Now I don't have a safe place to sleep in my car.

I have read dozens of books about trading, economics, investments, algorithms and stuff in that spectrum. I love reading and am a self improvement freak. At first I was applying for trader roles only, after not successful attempts tried to apply for equity research analyst, then any kind of analyst (financial, credit, anything). Right now I'm lost. Is my resume bad? I don't have an experience in finance but how do I get an experience? Do I have to knock on the doors to ask for a job?

If anyone knows someone hiring in finance please help a hustler out. I'm good at math and numbers, enjoy doing research, solving puzzles, and have a quantitative mind. Can code on python little bit and enjoy anything that involves logic.

Keep grinding hard, work until you dont have to introduce yourself. Looking at your track record, you have the determination and success to do well. Push yourself and go beyond the mile. Keep doing you!

Jun 5, 2019

I wish you the very best of luck and I commend your hustle. Feel free to PM me if Treasury/IR interests you (in NJ).

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Jun 6, 2019

Interested mate. In which city is it? I'm unable to send you PM since it's limited to 1 per day. Can you PM me your email and details of the position? Thank you

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die

Jun 5, 2019

Wish I could help but it awesome to read all of the willing and helpful responses. Another idea, OP did you think about temp agencies? Funds/Banks etc use them and you can get paid and your foot in the door that way. Can network and tell your story that way while being paid. It might be admin work/tech/compliance whatever, but its something.

Good Luck

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Jun 6, 2019

It's a great idea.
Temp-to-hire is a good way to get started.
We hired a couple of support admins from the temp pool at the ibank before.
You can tell from their attitude on the job within an hour who was a hard worker taking their job seriously, and who wasn't.
And those that were serious we tended to hire.
Admin work wasn't glamorous but gave them a starting salary, savings, a solid finance brand on the CV, and a chance to try to level-up through interviews internally and externally.

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Jun 6, 2019

I sent out my resume to few temp-to-hire hire agencies and it's been months. I have no clue why nobody reached out to me yet

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die

Jun 6, 2019

Maybe it's because I'm not an American that I lack a romantic view of your struggle. To be frank, the fact that you are delivering food for a living, and sleeping in a car, after graduating from college doesn't really impress me. Why don't you just get a job, any job, to build some work experience on your resume and get into the normal 9-5 routine. There seems to be this idea that it's finance work experience or bust on this forum. I worked a boring sales job in my first year out of college and studied for CFA level 1 at night. I dreamed of being an equity analyst and it all seemed a million miles away from cold calling weak sales leads. But, that work experience added to my CV and showed a future employer that I could thrive and survive in the corporate world. My advice is to give up this romantic idea of struggling and get a real job in any industry you can. There are 24 hours in a day and if you don't waste 6 of them watching TV like the average American does, you can learn or study for whatever you want whilst puting a roof over your head. Good luck.

Jun 6, 2019

The issue is money. Getting any 9-5 job and doing food deliveries make around the same. Transitioning is the issue, like when you start working you get your first paycheck after a month for example. I'm covering all my expenses with my paychecks and it wouldn't make sense to get another job that pays the same. Unless it's in the finance industry that will give me experience. And I'm currently applying to all of the jobs that I see on linkedin and indeed, even no name companies. Got nothing so far.

It might sound weird but I love hustling. It develops a character and build you and your persona. It might seem too romantic, naive, or sentimental to you. But it's about love, it's about striving, and it's about getting where you wanna get. Maybe I read too much underdog stories or watched Rocky movies when I was a kid. But success isn't cheap.

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die

Jun 8, 2019
Bill Ackman:

Getting any 9-5 job and doing food deliveries make around the same . . it wouldn't make sense to get another job that pays the same. Unless it's in the finance industry that will give me experience.

This doesn't make sense to me. Working in an office job where a college degree is either required or preferred is lot better for your resume than delivering food.

Another thing that doesn't make sense to me is the part about making less $ with Uber in the summer due to fewer food orders. Aren't most Uber Eats drivers also Uber drivers? Obvi not a central point but I found that odd.

If you feel you're a good fit for coding, there are a lot of good programs now that will teach you for free and help you get a job. You only pay tuition later if and when you find something, and it's a % of your salary. Lambda School is one that I know well, and I've heard of others like App Academy and Udemy that are probably good too.

Jun 6, 2019

This is inspiring. I wish you a lot of good luck, and PM me if you just need someone to talk to.
I don't live in USA so have limited network, but always here for talking/support

Jun 6, 2019

BTW I second the idea of just taking a feed-me job in the interim.
I graduated top 2% in my class from Berkeley - honor roll, leader scholarships, etc.
I thought as a kid getting into a good school and crushing it would be a cinch to a good job.
Nope.
Economy collapsed and I was dead broke, negative cash in bank.
I wanted to be in consulting or IBD, but couldn't get the offer.
I ended up working at nights at a casino, so that my days were still free to do interviews and networking.
It was not as bad as I had thought.
I got health insurance, a comped meal, and was paid decently ($15/hr when min wage was $6).
Working at the casino was one of the most fun jobs I've had to-date, and taught me people skills.
And hustling during the day was invigorating (except for the lack of sleep).
Get yourself a feed-me job though, so that you're not sleeping in your car for pity's sake.
Don't look down on the feed-me job.
There's honorable ways of making a living out there, and they don't preclude you from going after your dream job.
There's plenty of waiters, baristas, and night-shift workers that make it eventually.
In my case, night shift was key, as it kept daytime free to interview.
And don't give up on your dreams! Ever!

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Jun 7, 2019

Echo this. After getting shit-canned in 2009, I worked as a bouncer for several night clubs and strip clubs in NYC. Sure, it was demoralizing, to go from traveling for road-shows with management to throwing out drunks pissing on themselves and getting paid with envelopes filled with cum-stained singles. However, it let me interview and network during the day.

And let me tell you this - it built character, and the ability to deal with conflict. When my boss blows up on me and starts screaming, I am barely affected. It pales in comparison to having to deal with some assholes trying to swing a beer bottle into your grill.

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Jun 12, 2019

Can you share some more about your story post-2008? I understand that a lot of finance professionals were canned after the economy went to shit, and I'm interested in those perspectives of those traders/brokers/bankers who went from the top of the world to no income.

Jun 6, 2019

I think you can also try to pick up finance-related side-hustles.
In PE, there's always the need for slide monkeys, people to help put together capital-raising DDQs, build financial models, write PPMs, and write up investment committee memoranda.
Hell it's what I do now, but there's always overflow work I shunt off to virtual assistants in the Philippines.

Come to think of it - Right now I'm looking for someone to help me with real estate development financial models.
I can send you some templates, and if you can do a decent job of it, I'll pay you a good starting salary to help me.

I'll PM you and see if you're down for earning some $ for an honest day's work.

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Jun 6, 2019

Have you tried applying to coding bootcamps?
Many of those charge 0 tuition, and take a cut later from your salary.
You're in NYC by the sound of it.
Find a nice friend who will let you crash on their floor for a few months, and write them an IOU for paying them back rent once you get a job.
Get a part-time night job for now, to save up some $.
Apply to coding bootcamps.
You already know some Python and have a logical mind - that will help you.
Some of the graduate salaries from the boot camps don't seem bad.
You can combine that python with some of your stats and finance background to do a data science job.
That can be really applicable in finance.
Later on in life you'll be able to use those programming skills.

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Jun 6, 2019

I actually got myself in a coding bootcamp in May but wasn't able to attend because of the hours. It was 9am-6pm everyday. Tuition was 16k, deferred until I get a job, then 10% each month from salary. That wouldn't let me to work, I have bills to pay and the only reason I'm sleeping in my car is to pay bills and keep a good credit. I loved coding when I was in high school and have good fundamentals. Coding is basically same on every language, idea and logic follows everywhere, just writing syntax is different. I really wanted to do coding bootcamp or masters in financial engineering but at the moment I can't afford none of them, even a room. All my wage is going to pay for my expenses, car, insurance, gas, loans, credit cards etc...
And it's been so long that I don't even mind sleeping in a car. Summer is hot and humid, that's making my sleeps very short but it's ok.

It's been a long journey but I still have more juice to squeeze. I'll keep this thread updated

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die

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Jun 7, 2019

If you have some cash, get Security Guard license and go work for a night club or bar doing Security ID checks. Pay starts around $12-$15 + tips if you do a good job.

Pays well enough that I know some folks who works 2-3 days a week for a whole weeks worth with tips and networks M-F daytime.

No pain no game.

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Jun 7, 2019

Yes, definitely look to apply to bootcamps like Lambda School.

Jun 7, 2019

I think the path is clear. Get some money together, get the coding class done, and save some $ thereafter. You can always go to business school later. But for pity's sake stop sleeping in your car.

Jun 7, 2019

Have you heard of Gary Vee(Vaynerchuk)? I'm pretty sure if you got a hold of him he would use his massive network to find a place for you to crash. He just did that for some kid in San Antonio that wanted to move to LA for film. Gave him $1000 for a ticket on his live Q&A and suddenly gave him a huge network of people trying to help him out. Gary's all about hustle.

JUST DO IT. Don't let your memes be dreams.

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Jun 7, 2019

When the final Season of Better Call Saul has run out, this story would be good script developer material. Folks will be jonesing for this kind of stuff.

In any case, when you get to this point, it's time to try consulting. The private-placement world waits for you with open arms.

Jun 13, 2019

I would love to try anything at this point. Is your consulting group looking for hustlers and grinders?

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die

Jun 7, 2019

Ain't giving up for real and ain't complaining, just toughing it out.

Jun 8, 2019
xWallStreet:

Suicidal and broke for years, but ain't giving up for real and ain't complaining, just toughing it out.

Yeah, I feel ya buddy. It's a hard world out there. It really is.

Jun 8, 2019

Nothing against the world, just my personal mistakes and their results.

Jun 7, 2019

Hi, just wondering did you manage to get any leads? If possible could you share you CV/LinkedIn privately?

Jun 7, 2019

If you'd consider non finance opps I'm at a large tech Co (one of the big social networks). Message me on here and we'll get your resume in for some jobs if you find something you want. I went finance > my own company > large tech co. Couldn't be happier with the move. Seems like you could be great in sales, sales engineering, bd, or account management

Jun 7, 2019

I'd love to work for large tech even not finance roles. WSO is not allowing me to send PM. Can you PM me your email?

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die

Jun 7, 2019

Wanna work remotely? And partner on a new fund?

Jun 7, 2019

Hey man,

Sorry to hear about your current living situation, but everyone appreciates a grinder and you will make it I'm sure as you seem beyond determined.

I'm in a similar work situation myself (11 months trying to transition, also in NY), been knocking on doors, cold calling/emailing and buying an egregious amount of coffee (could probably own a majority stake in Starbucks by now), but you just have to keep hitting the pavement. I've made some great connections, some that led to promising opportunities that have fell through, but great connections nonetheless. I am still in contact with people I met a year ago and they've definitely been beyond helpful in the process, you just have to keep moving forward as only a small percentage of your shots are going to fall. As long as your mind is right, everything else is temporary - don't take no for answer and try to grow with each knock to the jaw.

Keep your head up and keep on keeping on brother.

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Jun 7, 2019

Hey, I run a firm on Wall Street and we're looking for sales guys - it's not exactly glamorous and it's not the prettiest part of finance but it's not a chop shop, and we don't do loans - please PM me your number and I can tell you more about it

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Jun 7, 2019

I will work without a salary, just make what I earn for you.

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Jun 7, 2019

I run Discretion Capital - can't link to it apparently nor put my email, but the Googs should get you there. Email me - my first name at the domain - with your resume and we can chat

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Jun 7, 2019

I will work without salary remotely.

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Jun 12, 2019

I've emailed. Not if my emails are going to spam directly. I've been coldmailing a lot

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die

Jun 12, 2019

Nothing in junk. Try again? I have an accept_all email rule so if you guess wrong it will silently kill it. My email is einar at Discretion Capital dot com

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Jun 7, 2019

Definitely feel for you and keep up the grind. How many jobs are you applying to and how realistic are you being? I've seen this happen with a few friends and they have been applying to positions that are way out of their league and it's not surprising they spend so long out of a job.

Since the GPA isn't a big selling point, I would suggest getting any job you can related (even if remotely) to the industry, make connections, work hard, and then try to apply to roles closer to your interests once you have some solid experience.

Jun 7, 2019

Just gonna throw it out there, but on the expense side of things it may be worth looking into relocating. NYC/NJ is very high up there wrt rent, daily expenses, etc. If it's financial services you're set on, some place like Salt Lake could be interesting, big hub for back / mid office, nature, significantly cheaper rent etc.

Jun 7, 2019
Anon1254:

Message my inbox with your phone number and let me know when you're able to speak tonight between 8pm and 9pm.

Keep hustling, brother. Good things come to those who work hard and want them the most, and I can tell you're hungry for yours. You've got this!!!

Jun 7, 2019

Message me your number. I can probably help you out with advice. We will set up a time to speak.

Jun 7, 2019

Sounds like you neglected coursework and securing internships during college, but that happens. Not the best start but not the end of the world. The 'why' doesn't matter, albeit I'd be curious to know what woke you up, but the important thing is to tackle your situation in incremental steps. I can relate, as I was fired from my IB role and ended up self destructing, in a homeless shelter, burned all my bridges, etc. Going from BB/EB IB/S&T offers to the desperate streets was devastating and I admit I didn't have half your attitude. I crawled back to direct investing and Rx, but it took 5 yrs and 1-2 folks to take a chance. I would echo others' sentiments re remote work, sales gigs, night gigs, saving up, getting in front of startups, renegotiating terms on some of those debts, etc. Once you have something interesting to speak to, you leverage that by active networking (cold-emails/cold-calling/even approaching folks properly). Networking is the wild card and you'd be surprised how open adcoms/partners/MDs/execs are to adversity and struggle. With 1-2 decent projects and a coherent/inspiring story you'll be well on your way to the next step. I would remove GPA from the resume and change dates to reflect years not months. Maybe you leave the daytime open for networking as others have mentioned. I would def PM the PE fellow who mentioned he outsources work related to diligence forms and PPMs. And follow up with the 10+ opportunities created from your thread here (that was a great idea). All it takes is one person to vouch for you to get the balling rolling and I can say that from similar experience.

Jun 7, 2019
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