Sick of being Beta
Studied my entire k-12 without even thinking of getting pussy because I was a 5'10" 100 lb Asian nerd. Enter lower tier Ivy League school (think, Dartmouth) and actually start hitting the gym and weights thanks to my friends. Go to 160lb and become actually good looking and social. Had a nymphomaniac (and actually good looking) friend who was a girl and actually offered to do me, but I refused for unknown reasons even to me. Have multiple make out sessions with random girls at parties but they go no where. Leave college a Virgin and enter a small micro cap equity HF working under a single PM who came from a mega fund. My work is 30 minutes near my parents home so I save rent/food/utilities and so far in one year I've saved up 65k (my salary is 100k+ defending on performance). Work has always been stressful (since it's hard to find value in this market), and I lose 40 pounds. I literally regressed back to how I looked in high school. So here I am, living at home, with money nothing better to do with, living the same life over and over. Don't have any friends near home. Don't know any girls. Worst part is that I'm worked so hard I can't even find the time to go to the gym. What do I do to change my current situation?
You make so much money tho. Why u complain?!?
You can't miss pussy with money
What's the point of $$$ if you can't even use it properly?!?
Bro. Buy a squat rack, plates, protein and creatine. Do your research and give it one year of consistent dieting and lifting routine. I promise you will get a good physique no matter what.
Build some muscle, go out to clubs and flash your money or some shit. The girls will be all over you since 51% of them go for the biggest wallet
Might want to check out APAEs thread. Trust me man, don't give up, eat surplus calories and hit the weights. You have a solid gig so focus purely on that and getting fit, chicks will come once you get some confidence. I mean sure you may never score 9's & 10's, but honestly who cares as long as she's a 6 and cool its all you really need.
I'm literally thinking of hitting the gym. Good idea even if it's 2 days a week (the weekends) ?
StrongLifts 5x5. Buy a squat rack and plates.
Yeah a 5x5 is the best bet. Try and go three times a week, lift heavy (depending on your max etc) and you'll be set.
Go check out bodybuilding.com for more info.
Follow this mans advice.
All jokes aside what are your hours like?
7am to 7 or 8ish pm Monday to Friday. I'm so exhausted on the weekend that I just sleep in like 15 hours each day
Get a car, get a gym membership, start going to the gym right after you finish work. If working tires you out this much, it means you are physically less than fit.
Sorry to say- you're making excuses. You're so tired because you're not working out. There is plenty of room in that schedule for a solid 4-5x a week workout. My day is 4:50am- 11:30 pm. I workout 6 days a week (5:30am). If you don't eat right (high protein and enough food) then you're going to continue on this path.
Man the fuck up and get to the gym daily bro, some people work real hours.
You're making excuses for yourself. 7 or 8pm? What do you do when you get home, watch tv, waste time? Go directly to the gym everyday after work, no excuses. You'll get in a habit of it and start to feel bad/guilty when you don't go.
I don't remember anyone who tried to get pussy in kindergarten. Probably because when they found out the kid did that, he got sent to a psychiatric hospital. But with that info, you now know you're not so far behind.
Point was that I was such a fucking nerd back then
I know, I was just trying to exercise my sarcasm muscles
You should take protein supplements and eat really good food packed with carbs, let your boss do the stressing--just do the work--and hit the gym often.
Like I don't even get it, how can you perform when you're stressing? I'd be too distracted to add value. Fuck it, smoke some weed on the weekend or something. It's not even your money, you'll earn your pay regardless. As long as you're objectively executing whatever strategy your boss asks of you, it doesn't matter. Maybe the fund closes down, but that won't be your fault. Just work hard, do your best.
Not scared of fund closing (my boss is a fucking investing genius who's annualized 15%+ a year net of fees on 2/20). I'm scared I'm not good enough to survive past year 2
Step one is to move out of your parent's house. Spend money and do what you want, not what your mommy advised you to do.
Probably the best advice but my folks won't be happy
The folks probably don't put a lot of weight into being ripped and getting mad chicks either though
This, right here - exactly the words you just said - are why you're beta.
Until you understand that an adult has to make decisions other people won't be happy with, you're going to be a beta bitch.
Girls - tiny little women who are 4'9" and weigh 100 pounds - break up with gigantic, tattoo'd, muscle-head jocks who look like Schwarzenegger in Total Recall, and they fear for their lives because the dude might come to kill them.
And you can't even break up with mom.
Start putting your life and priority before those of your parents
Ok, so?
I really don't understand, I was the top of my class and had the best pussy at Varsity!
Varsity what?
Man, you need better physical shape. Limit yourself with work at least 3 days per week. More over you can use weekends for gym. But what is more important start eating healthy food. Regarding pussy, you defenitly need more experience. Check our this one, I am doing this project for guys like you (this is not advertisment).
wtf kind of scam is that
u should go after the asians. asian females are the most money - oriented. forget backs, they only care about "game" and "moves." White women, you are forget until those bitches hit 30. Then they become like the asians and only care about money.
In my work, the women think I have a big position because I get to travel a lot and work closely with the executives. Its amazing how those bitches go after me. I'm currently fucking a lawyer.
What do you do for your job?
Maybe I should join Tinder?
If you haven't joined tinder, yet, it's worse than we all thought.
Why?
Definitely join, but you're way, way more likely to score by going to bars or clubs if you're not aesthetic.
Where do you live? if you live in NY, LA, CHI, BOS, do this:
find out the 5 best clubs in the city. you can do this by searching instagram and evaluating the attractiveness of girls that tag themselves there...
find out who promotes these clubs, usually its the guy outside with a clipboard not dressed like the buff security guards...
start talking to him. Come off as very confident but not cocky and respect them as the gatekeeper to a new life that they are. They deal with assholes all day and their job sucks but it has its perks. Somehow explain your situation, something like 'hey man, just moved here and wanted to check out this place out. Can you help me out, i got a hundo."
after he let's you in, your goal is to get in, get the job done, get out, say thank you. go up to groups of girls, say you're there with friends start talking. if they ask where your friends are make something up. "I have the same question, I'm here celebrating my gay buddy's birthday and last time i saw him it looked like he met his future husband."
get their numbers coming up with a plan for later that night or tomorrow. doesnt have to actually happen just enough to get their numbers. BOOM, you now have girls to talk to.
thank the promoter on your way out, say it was awesome, you'll be back, and ask if you can get their number for booking a table. that's how they make money and you'll be able to text them ahead of time now.
move out of your parents place. Yes i know the cash is nice but it's chump change compared to the value of the relationships you'll make not living at the end of some fucking cul de SAC.
your parents won't understand, they love you very much and you're still their little boy. you are the one that needs to understand that. say you love them very much and you're very grateful and you need to move out and you'll visit all the time.
if you don't live in a big city get tinder.
there you go, all my secrets. now send me $5k, you have enough.
The 007 of pussy right here. Common sense that deserves to be spoken.
You work in IB. Don't you make like 200k your first year? I bet u wipe ur ass with 5k
definitely not 200k. between rent, taxes, nice furniture and clothing, weekend trips, and fancy dinners and nights out - the pay of junior guys does really not go that far.
Start using deer antler extract to make big gains. The other pros are that your neck will bulge out since you'll be in musk. Your eyes may also turn bloodshot which is alpha.
The ironic part of all of this is that I'm actually generating alpha at work, yet I am beta as a person.
Quit referring to yourself as a beta you fucking CHODE!
Back to the gym.
Is sexual form 140 pounds for weight?
This response is pushing it too far. I can't believe that this is real anymore.
In my experience, most women are attracted to a guy who is put together, has his life in order, knows what he wants and is generally just fun to be around. Start by moving out of your parents home, either be a roommate in a really nice place so you can save a little money or get your own place. You definitely don't need to pump weights...just look somewhat fit, start socializing, meeting new people, use dating apps...put yourself out there. Everytime I read a post like this or have a similar conversation offline, I generally see the person has refused to exit their comfort zone and has doubled down on feeling insecure or not "manly" enough or at worst blaming other people. Don't always go out with your current friends, you'll feel pressured/embarrassed if you fail and no one needs to stand awkwardly in a corner with their friends. Tip: generally talk to the women who have been eyeing you, so get good at using your peripherals.
Unfortunately I don't think I have the self confidence to get "out there " yet. Need to go to the gym to get back to regular weight and get more attractive again.
Related to what @SkiMBA" is saying, go to the gym and do squats. Helps boost your testosterone so you can grow some balls. Stick to compound movements (pull ups, bench, military press, squats, lunges, push-ups, rows), ab workouts, and high intensity cardio. Fast track to a six pack.
There's no magic to it, you will never leave the gym one day and feel confident enough to leave your comfort zone. You just have to start trying and failing. By all means keep working out, but move out, start going on dates, put yourself out there.
looks like we're making at least some progress...it's gainz o'clock mo'fucker...go join the glorious house of gains to get so juicy that bietches will rip your smedium shirt right off your body in the middle of the club
Agree with most good advice- the "pumping iron" suggestion from me was more of a confidence boosting idea. Lifting weights has been proven to boost confidence- not to mention OP sounds like his body composition could sure be improved. (FYI- I'm a female and I life weights regularly). I also think the excercise would improve his stamina. As a young person working 7am- 7pm he shouldn't be exhausted. Make more mitochondria by excercise so you have more energy.
I don't disagree. My concern was that the OP shouldn't feel inadequate or that being ripped was a prerequisite to being 'manly' or "alpha" enough. There was just a lot of reinforcement on this thread for a certain definition of "being a man" that I felt was counterproductive.
Well hello there ;)
Your job, body, or even living situation isn't the problem here. It's your mindset. You think you're inferior to not just women, but other men. This mentality effects how you walk, how you talk, your facial expressions, your eye contact, your swagger. While moving out and improving your body may help, what you really need is self-reflection and to get comfortable with who you are as a person and start thinking of yourself as a high value male. Once you've accepted who you are, then you need to learn how to interact with women and create attraction. This will be a long process given your starting point but it can begin today. You can change and become a stud, but you have to participate in your own success.
Everyone so far has been pretty spot on, you need to move the fuck out.
It sounds like the main problem here is confidence. Obviously alcohol will help with that when you go out, but it seems like you're pretty insecure about looks. You have plenty of time to hit the gym 5 days a week, and you should. On top of that it's not that hard for a guy to be more attractive, unless you're morbidly obese which isn't your problem. Find a new haircut and start dressing better. When you look good you feel good. Scroll around Instagram and online trying to find new styles and pay attention to what is working for guys that girls obsess over. Plus you've got plenty of cash sitting around to drop at clubs, I think you'll do fine if you just give it a shot. Maybe not your first night out, but sooner rather than later.
Download Tinder and please never repeat that you refused to fuck your good-looking nympho friend.
Nothing will change until you top making excuses and admit that you CAN change things. You do have time to go to the gym. You are old enough to make your own decisions and move out. You can get over your insecurities. You can stop calling yourself beta. It's all about perspective. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to help.
Well just grab life by the balls and don't be afraid to offend other people. Give them something to listen to, but make sure it's worth saying.
I'm pretty alpha, so I just go into the gym or my MMA facility and do work.
But, since you don't have the mindset, you might need some coaching. With your busy schedule I would recommend a testosterone enhancing preworkout (Nitraflex) to get you cranked up and motivated. Then, go to a good gym and hire a trainer a few times a week. Maybe it would be best if you get a hot chick, so you start to become comfortable around good talent.
Also, she will probably train you well, without intimidating you too much (I hope you wouldn't be intimidated). You don't need to see the trainer every day, but you do need to go to the gym at least 5 times per week. The trainer is there not only to motivate you, but to teach you a good routine that you will eventually be able to do on your own. Some people read books to do this, but you can afford a trainer and it sounds like you need one to crack the whip and also to be accountable to showing up at the gym.
Eat clean, drink lots of water, and you'll be there in no time.
start eating liver
Just signed up for the gym. Time to become great again :)
good for your dude. you're a boss. now you're on the way to realizing your potential. dont let any other schmuck tell you otherwise.
listen here son, I'm gonna put some lead in your pencil, so grab a notebook and get ready to get kicked in the fuckin face with some man knowledge.
stop referring to men as alpha and beta, it will only reinforce what you know to be true. I'm not rich, I'm not tall, I'm bald as Mr. Clean, but god damn do I have confidence. you know who else had confidence? bruce lee. a short, otherwise unimposing asian. you don't need to be hyooj to have confidence.
fix your posture. I can smell the slouching in your post. shoulderblades down and back, don't let your head fall, and be mindful of pelvic tilt. this will not only help you not get injured in the gym but it will also help you feel better (walking tall really does work).
get back in the gym, but mix up the weights with something that gets more testosterone going, like boxing/MMA/muay thai. don't be an aggro dude, but walking around knowing you could handle yourself if shit goes down will do wonders for your confidence, and girls notice it. it's been said before, but you need to put on some mass, and time is no excuse. 1 hour 3 days a week is all you need, and on your off days maybe just do curls, pushups, and squats before bed/when waking up.
fix your wardrobe, I'm guessing you wear all the same clothes you wore in college? you need to make sure when you hit the town, people aren't looking at you wondering if you're 21. brand is less important than fit. you'll look much better in a $10 plain grey t shirt and dark jeans with no brand with some nice (not athletic) sneakers than you would in a $2,000 outfit from Gucci that fits you like a rental prom tuxedo. if you have any bros at your office who have a solid chill:pull ratio, go out with them, when you see them, ask them where they got something. don't get the same thing, but start going there. I thought H&M was only for prepubescent girls and ironic hipsters. they have a solid men's section, check it out. some of it's out there, but they have great fitting clothes for athletic types that won't break the bank.
this is corny, but start reading men's pubs like men's health, men's fitness, art of manliness, etc. no, you won't turn into grizzly adams, but it will help your confidence. an independent man is a confident man, in your words: "alpha."
speaking of independence, move out. find roommates to ensure you still save money, still visit your rents but make it less often. you want to be jerry not george here (if you haven't watched seinfeld, start now). girls aren't keen on coming back to your parents' house. furthermore, it's tough being an independent man when you're living under someone else's roof. your independence will be limited by the simple fact that your parents own the house and likely take care of you to some extent still.
crush some box. don't turn into an asshole, but you need to get more experience in the sack. https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/blog/getting-laid-the-instruction-manual
finally, I'll close with this: as you improve other parts of your life, the hours won't seem so bad. I worked similar schedule my early years in PWM and while it's a long day, it's not so long that you can't work out and have a good life. I'd try to hit the gym 5-6 days a week versus doing 2 long sessions on weekends. living alone will also force you to learn how to cook and take care of yourself. you'd be amazed at how efficient you can get when mommy & daddy aren't doing the dishes and preparing the meals for you. you're dependent on others and therefore you see yourself as weak. CHANGE IT. if you ever get down, have a few motivational videos/podcasts to go to. I find that military stuff is the most inspiring, for you it may be something else like olympic athlete training montages, a bird flapping its wings for the first time, or something entirely different, but whatever it is have a queue of things that can give you a swift kick in the nuts when life slaps you in the face (it will happen).
hope is not lost my young padawan.
This is not bad advice and this thread just further reiterates the point of some people not putting themselves out there enough.
Do you have a fucking cliff notes version of your post, brosef stalin? Too much for me to read.
abbreviated guide to being beta: manage your time better so you can read the entire post that I put a lot of thought into.
godspeed
OP, there is a lot of good advice on here. When you get in a solid routine and are taking care and building up your body, eating clean, shopping to eat clean, cooking clean, being independent, you will generally feel better, more confident, and neurologically your mind should be performing at a higher level as well.
Just make an effort to do SOMETHING daily. You can't sit in a chair all day and eat and then go to sleep. If you don't feel like getting up and going to the gym in the morning, just focus on a very good and underrated exercise you can do anywhere: pushups.
If you can't do that many, its fine. Everyone has to start somewhere. But, focus on sets of 10 and see how many sets of 10 you can get. Then go down to 5. And I mean back straight no arching no sagging perfect form pushups. All the way down all the way up.
Go for it bro.
Is this a troll post? I feel like this guy is just bored at his job
Better be careful. You're bordering on dropping to gamma status
"Had a nymphomaniac (and actually good looking) friend who was a girl and actually offered to do me."
There's all kinds of great advice, etc in this thread but goddamn I can't stop thinking about pounding out your nympho college friend. Having a fuck buddy like that in college is like winning the lottery, bro. That you turned that down makes me want to slap you.
To this day this is my biggest regret in life. It wasn't studying too hard, getting into a good school, or not going out enough. You know how people ask what your biggest regret is in life so far? Well this is it for me, basically. I wish I could turn back fucking time man--I would be smashing that puss so hard EVERYDAY. GOD DAMN IT
You haven't quite discovered this yet, but nymphos are all sorts of different kinds of crazy. There is seldom a well put together nympho.
With that being said, it is often hazardous to stick your D in crazy. Remember that.
I, Pizz, will not stick my D in crazy....
You'll do it at least once, and be like damn, that wasn't worth it at all. Sometimes you think you can get away with it, but then you're sitting in jail because the chick lied to the cops and you're having to call a lawyer.....
These types of threads are why I keep coming back to WSO
It sucks when it's yourself though. How can one live the way I'm living? It sucks :/.
That's why I joined the gym. Sick of this BS. I need to experience what pussy is before I die.
Yeah I know bro, just being tongue in cheek. But basically there's some solid advice up there - biggest one I see is your attitude. Improve your attitude and you'll get far.
Get a hand cruncher for the desk. Great way to bulk up.
You're killing me, Smalls.
Move to a place right next to the office boom you save a hour ever day, hit the gym, careless about work and cut a hour of work every day off and go out and meet people. This has multiple benefits as it will let your work know that you value your time as well as boost your self esteem because you can look at it as you told work to go fuck themselves. I was in a very different position than you were when I worked but when I told my boss to shove it when he wanted me to put in more hours he not only respected me more but actually honored it.
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