(Undergrad) Richard Ivey or Queen's Commerce for BBs

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Hey,

So I think I've read every thread on this forum that deals with these two undergraduate Canadian business schools. It seems that there is definitely an Ivey bias on these forums, and maybe it is because so many Ivey grads successfully get into the industry that we have many of them on this forum.

However I've been talking with some current students at both schools and I am definitely getting mixed opinions. With the May 28th admission reply deadline coming up, I am having a hard time choosing between the two schools. Hence, I thought I'd bring up the old rivalry again, only with a slightly different modification for the topic of discussion.

So there's no doubt that Ivey sends more grads into the banking industry. However a Queen's Commerce student tells me that his program actually sent more grads to Goldman Sachs, compared to Ivey. Queen's Commerce supposedly had 5 grads going to this firm.

His argument seems to suggest that although Ivey tends to have an upperhand on Bay Street Jobs, "lower tier" BBs, and American boutiques, Queen's Commerce seems to have an upperhand for "higher end" BBs.

This kind of makes sense to me since Queen's Commerce is more difficult to get into compared to Richard Ivey HBA or its AEO program. I mean recruiters definitely take into account the difficulty of admissions of a program, as a pre-screening tool.

So can anyone comment on this? Is Queen's Commerce the better choice to work at a American BB such as GS, MS, JPM, etc? Was the Queen's Commerce performance with GS just a one year thing?

I thought I was deadset on going to Western as a pre-Ivey, but now I am having second thoughts. Please help!

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Apr 15, 2008

Why is McGill not on that list?

You should really make your choice based more on fit. Does it really matter if you can goto GS from Queen's or MS from Ivey? Like seriously?

The culture at Queen's/Ivey based on people I know who have went to those schools or I have met, is very very different.

Apr 15, 2008

McGill is also a great school. However I am not considering it because it is far from my house, and because they are offering me less money.

How is the culture different at Queen's and Ivey? I've never really heard about a distinct difference between the two. Aren't all universities the same with crazy undergrads?

Apr 15, 2008

Did you ask if the Queens kids working at GS are in Ops?

Apr 15, 2008

McGill = Ivey = Queen's for undergrad. The debates on this forum are focusing more on MBA differences. Yes, for MBA decisions, Ivey is the only school worth going to. I would not stress out. The difference between Queen's and Ivey is barely noticeable. Just look at past year numbers (and also numbers for 2006, 2005, etc.). Roughly 15-25 kids from each of those schools made it into investment banking. So don't stress, congrats on getting into one of Canada's top universities. Now focus on getting your A game tight for partying and getting girls and don't worry about ibanking when you're 16 years old. Jeez louise,

Mr. Canuck

Apr 15, 2008

Been to a couple of 2nd round interviews. Haven't met anyone from Queens yet. If you're set on doing banking, go Ivey so you can use the alumni.

But then again, if the Queens --> 5 grads in GS is true, then it doesn't matter anyways.

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Apr 15, 2008

jwj11,

Congratulations on your acceptances. These are all great schools and knowing that banking even exists puts you ahead of the curve.

I agree with Mr. Canuck with respect to recruiting. All of the Canadian banks and most of the global banks will come to all three schools in most years. This means you have "access" to the jobs and your resume is guaranteed to be read. However, once you're in the recruiting process what school you went to becomes marginal in relation to your personal characteristics (i.e. grades, extracurricular leadership, internship experience, poise in the interview, etc.). In other words, the fact that 5 Queen's Commerce students got offers from GS this year is more about those 5 people than the fact they went to Queen's versus Ivey or McGill. By the way, they are all in front-office banking roles.

A couple of other things to keep in mind.

  • You should look at the recruiting data published by each of the schools. Personal opinions are great, but they are always biased (especially on message boards) and anecdotal. The data will tell you what percentage of each class goes to what industry and probably how many offers were made by each company. Be sure to keep in mind that there is always a lot of self-selection. For example, if the McGill stats say 20% go to banking and the Ivey stats say 25% go to banking, there could be more banking offers at McGill but those students decided they really wanted to work in consulting. This also tells you something about the make-up of the class, which is really important.
  • How focused are you on a business education? Queen's Commerce is a 4-year program whereas Ivey HBA is a 2-year program. I don't think either is better, but you need to think about what you want study. Queen's will give you earlier exposure to business in general and finance in particular. Ivey will gives you broader exposure and two years to study anything else that interests you.
  • How do you think you will learn the best? Ivey is 100% case-based, Queen's is probably 60% case based, McGill is less than 50% case based. Again, I don't think any one approach is better, but they are different.
  • University is about more than just school, so what do you want outside of class? McGill is in a great city and as phenomenal night life. Queen's has great school spirit and a fun student ghetto. Western is a great party school.
  • How sure are you about banking? Banking is not the only desirable career out of undergrad. Which school gives you the most options? All three schools have strong reputations in all industries, but on the margin I think these are the differences. Ivey probably has the deepest banking network in Canada. This is partially because of the HBA program and partially because it has traditionally been Canada's most elite MBA program. Queen's probably has a broader network that includes banking, consulting, brand management, and industry. McGill probably has the deepest US network. Americans love McGill.
  • Do you want to get an MBA afterwards? All three schools plus good work experience should get you in wherever you want. For some reason, my MBA program (top-3, US) had a lot more people from Queen's and McGill than Ivey. That's only one data point, but worth investigating if this interests you. Perhaps the Ivey HBAs decided not to do an MBA because they all worked at GS and then moved over to Blackstone instead of going back to school, but I don't know.
  • Recruiting by the global banks at Canadian schools is extremely cyclical. During boom times (i.e. this past year), they will recruit heavily. During down periods, they tend to retrench to their core US target schools. Many of them might even close their Toronto offices or maintain just a small staff to pitch work. When I started undergrad, the sense was that anyone with an 80% average could get a job at GS. When I finished undergrad, nobody had an offer from GS and only 2 people had offers from global banks. I expect recruiting will be in full swing again by the time you start looking for internships, but would be really surprised if GS or any of the other global banks make many offers next year.

Hopefully you find this helpful. I was in a similar situation after high school and these are some of the factors that I wish I knew about. I tried to provide a balanced view because I really think that you can't go wrong and I have worked with phenomenal people from all of these schools. So you know my bias, I went to Queen's and loved the school. However, I didn't even know what banking or consulting or any of the other popular business school careers were before I arrived. I actually chose based on the strength of the varsity team in my sport and where my friends were going. That should probably tell you something too.

carlicahn

Apr 15, 2008

Go to Ivey. Ivey does better with the banks and the education is better and more respected with US banks. Bottom line. Queen's I think is slightly overrrated - that GS stat sounds like urban legend of them sitting in ops.

Apr 15, 2008

As far as I know, Ivey has a lot more alumni in banking than Queen's does. I find students from both schools to be equally polished. I was speaking with a VP of CS in NY (former alum from my school), and he said that the most recognized Canadian schools on Wall Street are McGill and Ivey.

Do not fall into the tap of thinking that 2 years of b-study is not as good as 4 years worth. you take a lot of courses which you will recall and make little use of in your four years (i.e. business history). The two year program at Ivey is more condensed, but it gets into the heart of the matter.

Apr 15, 2008

whoever said that 5 people get into GS IBD is lying unless he meant 1/2 GS IBD and 3/4 into OPs. But 5 would imply that a third of the people that get into banking from QC go to Goldman, which is false.

Apr 15, 2008

A friend of mine currently at Ivey told me this. Also said that they are going to GS Toronto, NYC, SF, and LA. All IBD and S&T. And this is out of 300 total students in the program - 3% of graduating class going to Goldman - pretty good if you ask me!

Apr 15, 2008

Actually, I hear that Ivey sent seven people to GS last year (6 banking, 1 trading).

GS is very picky with fit when interviewing Canadians. They could care less whether you are Queens or Ivey.

I went to Ivey and had a great experience. The recruiting opportunities were excellent and the program was a blast.

Apr 15, 2008

if Queens commerce is harder to get into than AEO. Back when I was going to school, all of my classmates had turned down Queens commerce for AEO. It wasn't even a contest.

I'm gonna have to stop donating to Ivey.

Apr 15, 2008

^ blah123

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I might be going there lol. Please donate!

Anyways thank you for all the opnions and advice. I think I'm just overreacting over two great schools. Hopefully I can fit two campus visits before the May deadline.

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Apr 18, 2008

This should be an easy choice if you want to do banking. Ivey places 20-25%, Queen's half that.

Re: GS and Queen's - rumours are sort of true... last year 2 SA IBD NYC, 1 SA IBD Toronto, 1 SA CSSG (Toronto). FT... I think 2 or 3, none to NY.

2 vs 4 years does not matter, they work you like a dog in those 2 and you only get a internship in 3rd year anyways.

Apr 20, 2008

Not that it matters but Ivey sent more to GS than Queens(CDNmonkey is right: I know 6 IBD, 1 S&T - I hear the total is 8).
2NY IBD, 1TO IBD, 2SF IBD, 1LA IBD, 1 S&T Calgary

Fit/Experience are what matter the most in the interviews.

Apr 15, 2008

Based on above, do not choose a school based on how many were sent to GS. What if you are not a cultural fit for GS? In my opinion, it is better to have more options than less. Since a lot of your Ivey classmates would be in banking, you establish a strong network early on. I would go to Ivey.

Apr 20, 2008

The numbers that IveyMoney7 posted are correct (the other GS FT offer was from Hong Kong)

If you want to do investment banking, Ivey undergrad is the place to go. The education is better or on par with Queens, but the real value comes from the Ivey community. Aside from the alumni network, there is an incredible amount of support from upper year students who have interned at almost any bank you can name.

That being said, judging a school based on the number of offers from GS isn't a very solid metric. Goldman wants a specific type of person. -Who you are- is much more important than what school you go to and what kind of technical expertise you have.

Goldman generally recruits very heavily from Ivey for SA and FT (SA for this year is: 1 NYC IBD, 2 LA IBD, 1 TO IBD, 1 S&T and 1 NY GSIP) There were more offers; those were just the people who accepted. Goldman will come back in the fall and likely recruit another 5-6 people based on the last few years results (though who knows what will happen this year)

Ultimately, go somewhere where you are going to have a good time. Any student landing a BB IBD job out of Ivey would likely land the same sort of job out of Queens. The person matters a lot more than the school. Ivey just has more people that want to/are able to do banking.

PM me if you have any questions about ivey

Apr 20, 2008

GS is not the only bank...and given the current situation I'd think long and hard about choosing a school solely for the purpose of having a better chance to get into an industry you don't actually know you want to work in and into a firm that you may not like or may not even consider you regardless of where you studied.

That having been said, I think the Queen's graduates I've met have been significantly less intelligent than their claims of the university's prestige would suggest. Ivey and McGill have better names in the US and from what I hear UWO is party central.

Feb 15, 2011

No love for Rotman commerce (University of Toronto)?

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Feb 15, 2011

no love for rotman. Sorry bro. Their placement in IB sucks ass.

And btw, for undergrad, I think both schools are very good and offer great placement in IB.

Feb 15, 2011

Why though? U of T is in the middle of Toronto. Care to explain?

Greed is Good.

Feb 15, 2011

Summer placement for Ivey last year (I don't know this year's summer numbers) was as following for the U.S./U.K. (and Goldman), and these are the actual numbers, not hearsay:

4 Goldman NY IBD, 2 Goldman NY Investment Partners, 1 Goldman NY S&T, 1 Goldman LA IBD, 1 Goldman Toronto IBD.

Also, 2 CS LA IBD, 2 CS UK IBD, 1 Moelis NY IBD, 1 Moelis LA IBD, 1 DB NY IBD, 1 HLHZ LA IBD, 1 Barclays LA IBD.

I may be missing 1-2 but this covers the bulk of the offers. This totals ~ 18 kids leaving Canada from Ivey for IBD / S&T (excluding HK), which represents around 4% of the 450 person class.

Full-time placement for Ivey this year is as follows:

3 Goldman NY IBD, 1 Goldman HK Investment Partners, 1 Goldman LA IBD, 1 Goldman SF IBD, 1 Goldman Toronto IBD.

Also, 1 JPM NY IBD, 1 Evercore NY IBD, 2 Moelis NY IBD, 1 Moelis LA IBD, 1 HLHZ NY IBD, 1 HLHZ LA IBD, 2 CS LA IBD, 1 CS SF IBD, 1 CS UK IBD, 1 Barclays LA IBD.

Again, I may be missing 1-2, but this is fairly thorough. This totals ~19 kids for full-time, pretty much the same as summer.

For summer recruiting this year, I know that GS/MS/JPM/Barclays/Evercore/Moelis NY all posted, as well as GS/CS/Moelis/Barclays/HLHZ LA, and GS/CS SF (and of course GS NY Investment Partners). I would not call these "lower tier" firm placements.

To clarify, it is highly unlikely that GS will come back and recruit another 5-6 students for full-time. This year, they gave out only 1 offer (which was not accepted) to the normal full-time candidate pool (1 student signed to GS IBD SF through the accelerated process).

Hope this helps you in your decision.

Feb 26, 2011
ucla:

Summer placement for Ivey last year (I don't know this year's summer numbers) was as following for the U.S./U.K. (and Goldman), and these are the actual numbers, not hearsay:

4 Goldman NY IBD, 2 Goldman NY Investment Partners, 1 Goldman NY S&T, 1 Goldman LA IBD, 1 Goldman Toronto IBD.

Also, 2 CS LA IBD, 2 CS UK IBD, 1 Moelis NY IBD, 1 Moelis LA IBD, 1 DB NY IBD, 1 HLHZ LA IBD, 1 Barclays LA IBD.

I may be missing 1-2 but this covers the bulk of the offers. This totals ~ 18 kids leaving Canada from Ivey for IBD / S&T (excluding HK), which represents around 4% of the 450 person class.

Full-time placement for Ivey this year is as follows:

3 Goldman NY IBD, 1 Goldman HK Investment Partners, 1 Goldman LA IBD, 1 Goldman SF IBD, 1 Goldman Toronto IBD.

Also, 1 JPM NY IBD, 1 Evercore NY IBD, 2 Moelis NY IBD, 1 Moelis LA IBD, 1 HLHZ NY IBD, 1 HLHZ LA IBD, 2 CS LA IBD, 1 CS SF IBD, 1 CS UK IBD, 1 Barclays LA IBD.

Again, I may be missing 1-2, but this is fairly thorough. This totals ~19 kids for full-time, pretty much the same as summer.

For summer recruiting this year, I know that GS/MS/JPM/Barclays/Evercore/Moelis NY all posted, as well as GS/CS/Moelis/Barclays/HLHZ LA, and GS/CS SF (and of course GS NY Investment Partners). I would not call these "lower tier" firm placements.

To clarify, it is highly unlikely that GS will come back and recruit another 5-6 students for full-time. This year, they gave out only 1 offer (which was not accepted) to the normal full-time candidate pool (1 student signed to GS IBD SF through the accelerated process).

Hope this helps you in your decision.

Isnt the ivey class 600+ not 450?

May 26, 2011
ucla:

Summer placement for Ivey last year (I don't know this year's summer numbers) was as following for the U.S./U.K. (and Goldman), and these are the actual numbers, not hearsay:

4 Goldman NY IBD, 2 Goldman NY Investment Partners, 1 Goldman NY S&T, 1 Goldman LA IBD, 1 Goldman Toronto IBD.

Also, 2 CS LA IBD, 2 CS UK IBD, 1 Moelis NY IBD, 1 Moelis LA IBD, 1 DB NY IBD, 1 HLHZ LA IBD, 1 Barclays LA IBD.

I may be missing 1-2 but this covers the bulk of the offers. This totals ~ 18 kids leaving Canada from Ivey for IBD / S&T (excluding HK), which represents around 4% of the 450 person class.

Full-time placement for Ivey this year is as follows:

3 Goldman NY IBD, 1 Goldman HK Investment Partners, 1 Goldman LA IBD, 1 Goldman SF IBD, 1 Goldman Toronto IBD.

Also, 1 JPM NY IBD, 1 Evercore NY IBD, 2 Moelis NY IBD, 1 Moelis LA IBD, 1 HLHZ NY IBD, 1 HLHZ LA IBD, 2 CS LA IBD, 1 CS SF IBD, 1 CS UK IBD, 1 Barclays LA IBD.

Again, I may be missing 1-2, but this is fairly thorough. This totals ~19 kids for full-time, pretty much the same as summer.

For summer recruiting this year, I know that GS/MS/JPM/Barclays/Evercore/Moelis NY all posted, as well as GS/CS/Moelis/Barclays/HLHZ LA, and GS/CS SF (and of course GS NY Investment Partners). I would not call these "lower tier" firm placements.

To clarify, it is highly unlikely that GS will come back and recruit another 5-6 students for full-time. This year, they gave out only 1 offer (which was not accepted) to the normal full-time candidate pool (1 student signed to GS IBD SF through the accelerated process).

Hope this helps you in your decision.

So roughly 10-15 get into investment banking from ivey, 4% as you stated..... it it really that hard? what percentage of people in ivey and queens actually apply to IB positions? or even plan on IB as a career? i ask because that 3% is a very grim statistic...is anyone here in IB?

May 26, 2011
ucla:

Summer placement for Ivey last year (I don't know this year's summer numbers) was as following for the U.S./U.K. (and Goldman), and these are the actual numbers, not hearsay:

4 Goldman NY IBD, 2 Goldman NY Investment Partners, 1 Goldman NY S&T, 1 Goldman LA IBD, 1 Goldman Toronto IBD.

Also, 2 CS LA IBD, 2 CS UK IBD, 1 Moelis NY IBD, 1 Moelis LA IBD, 1 DB NY IBD, 1 HLHZ LA IBD, 1 Barclays LA IBD.

I may be missing 1-2 but this covers the bulk of the offers. This totals ~ 18 kids leaving Canada from Ivey for IBD / S&T (excluding HK), which represents around 4% of the 450 person class.

Full-time placement for Ivey this year is as follows:

3 Goldman NY IBD, 1 Goldman HK Investment Partners, 1 Goldman LA IBD, 1 Goldman SF IBD, 1 Goldman Toronto IBD.

Also, 1 JPM NY IBD, 1 Evercore NY IBD, 2 Moelis NY IBD, 1 Moelis LA IBD, 1 HLHZ NY IBD, 1 HLHZ LA IBD, 2 CS LA IBD, 1 CS SF IBD, 1 CS UK IBD, 1 Barclays LA IBD.

Again, I may be missing 1-2, but this is fairly thorough. This totals ~19 kids for full-time, pretty much the same as summer.

For summer recruiting this year, I know that GS/MS/JPM/Barclays/Evercore/Moelis NY all posted, as well as GS/CS/Moelis/Barclays/HLHZ LA, and GS/CS SF (and of course GS NY Investment Partners). I would not call these "lower tier" firm placements.

To clarify, it is highly unlikely that GS will come back and recruit another 5-6 students for full-time. This year, they gave out only 1 offer (which was not accepted) to the normal full-time candidate pool (1 student signed to GS IBD SF through the accelerated process).

Hope this helps you in your decision.

So roughly 10-15 get into investment banking from ivey, 4% as you stated..... it it really that hard? what percentage of people in ivey and queens actually apply to IB positions? or even plan on IB as a career? i ask because that 3% is a very grim statistic...is anyone here in IB?

Feb 15, 2011

All of these kids out of London,Ontario? wow, never gave the city much thought

Greed is Good.

Mar 31, 2011

Wuck Festern.

I win here, I win there...

May 26, 2011

masn -

You're misunderstanding the statistic. 10-15 ivey kids will get investment banking positions in the US. If you include banking jobs in Canada, the number is higher. I'd say overall, ~40-50 kids will land banking jobs out of Ivey (~10% of Ivey).

Landing a SA spot is tough, as around 100 people will apply to each job positing. However, full time recruitment is a bit better, with ~40-60 people applying to each posting.

May 26, 2011
Valk:

masn -

You're misunderstanding the statistic. 10-15 ivey kids will get investment banking positions in the US. If you include banking jobs in Canada, the number is higher. I'd say overall, ~40-50 kids will land banking jobs out of Ivey (~10% of Ivey).

Landing a SA spot is tough, as around 100 people will apply to each job positing. However, full time recruitment is a bit better, with ~40-60 people applying to each posting.

Thanks for the clarification, i was worried about there being only 4% acceptance, 10% sounds more realistic (still scary)

Jun 16, 2011

I hate to spoil the East Coast party here but UBC should be included on the list. Though not up there with Ivey or Queen's, UBC meets McGill in terms of BB recruiting and is definitely well above Schulich and Rotman.

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Jun 16, 2011
trafalgar:

I hate to spoil the East Coast party here but UBC should be included on the list. Though not up there with Ivey or Queen's, UBC meets McGill in terms of BB recruiting and is definitely well above Schulich and Rotman.

Stop lying to yourself. A member of my immediate family is a professor at Sauder as I've mentioned before; the recruiting from top firms is not comparable to Rotman/Schulich, in finance at least. Sauder excels in the Transportation and Logistics program (unique in Canada), International Biz, and Real Estate. It mirrors the strength of the British Columbia economy, and that isn't finance.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

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Jun 16, 2011

Lets presume you do have an immediate family member that is a Sauder prof. Is he a finance professor? Is he an adjunct/visiting professor or a full-time/tenured professor? Telling me that he's a Sauder prof doesn't make your argument more effective unless you can provide some FACTS.

First off, you should know that BC is huge in mining, forestry & natural resources, which is one of the main reasons why there are investment bankers in downtown Vancouver. Also if you run a linkedin search, you'll find that there are A LOT more Sauder students that are placed in BBs in recent years than at Schulich or Rotman. Same goes with consulting.

Jun 16, 2011
trafalgar:

Lets presume you do have an immediate family member that is a Sauder prof. Is he a finance professor? Is he an adjunct/visiting professor or a full-time/tenured professor? Telling me that he's a Sauder prof doesn't make your argument more effective unless you can provide some FACTS.

First off, you should know that BC is huge in mining, forestry & natural resources, which is one of the main reasons why there are investment bankers in downtown Vancouver. Also if you run a linkedin search, you'll find that there are A LOT more Sauder students that are placed in BBs in recent years than at Schulich or Rotman. Same goes with consulting.

Well obviously I'm not going to reveal more about myself because it just isn't necessary but suffice it to say the information comes from about as much of an authoritative source as is possible. Please, shut the fuck up. I'm from Vancouver and I worked in IBD as an SA in Vancouver freshman year. I know the reality of it and the reality of it is Sauder is an up and coming biz program, but it still is not on the level of schools that are in the heart of Canada's largest financial center (and North America's 4th largest). I feel bad that I'm arguing with some little UBC fanboy who gets his facts from linkedin searches but please... don't lead poor kids astray by letting them think that Sauder is better than any Toronto school except Ryerson.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

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Jun 16, 2011

All I'm asking from you is to provide some facts. Obviously you don't have any and instead you're stating how you're this hotshot kid who "worked in IBD as an SA in Vancouver freshman year", and how you're related to a Sauder professor. I can easily say that I'm a Harvard-educated investment banking executive in Wall Street and expect people to believe everything I post. Nobody cares where you're from or who you're related to, you ignorant fool. If you've ever worked in investment banking let alone written a research paper for any University-level course, you would know how to make a convincing case using credible sources of references. So here's my suggestion: go on to google, gather some facts, post some links and then we'll talk.

Jun 17, 2011
trafalgar:

All I'm asking from you is to provide some facts. Obviously you don't have any and instead you're stating how you're this hotshot kid who "worked in IBD as an SA in Vancouver freshman year", and how you're related to a Sauder professor. I can easily say that I'm a Harvard-educated investment banking executive in Wall Street and expect people to believe everything I post. Nobody cares where you're from or who you're related to, you ignorant fool. If you've ever worked in investment banking let alone written a research paper for any University-level course, you would know how to make a convincing case using credible sources of references. So here's my suggestion: go on to google, gather some facts, post some links and then we'll talk.

dude ur wrong. UBC is below schulich/mcgill/rotman in terms of finance placement. go to their site. the statistics are all there

6ppl going to IB this year. <heard directly from admissions representative

Jun 17, 2011
trafalgar:

All I'm asking from you is to provide some facts. Obviously you don't have any and instead you're stating how you're this hotshot kid who "worked in IBD as an SA in Vancouver freshman year", and how you're related to a Sauder professor. I can easily say that I'm a Harvard-educated investment banking executive in Wall Street and expect people to believe everything I post. Nobody cares where you're from or who you're related to, you ignorant fool. If you've ever worked in investment banking let alone written a research paper for any University-level course, you would know how to make a convincing case using credible sources of references. So here's my suggestion: go on to google, gather some facts, post some links and then we'll talk.

if you want proof..

http://www.sauder.ubc.ca/Careers/For_Students/For_...
http://www.sauder.ubc.ca/Careers/For_Students/For_...

Jun 16, 2011

First off, Rotman Commerce never released any data concerning their finance placements. Also, you can't really compare Sauder and Schulich placements side by side, because 1) Sauder only reports the % of students in the finance field, and 2) Schulich inflates their IB salary, which to me seems very fishy. Also note that Schulich reported that 5% (by function) of the BBA/iBBA graduating class got into banking last year...that is incredibly low considering they're a top-tier b-school.

The site you posted with the list of firms that recruit at Sauder is actually outdated and is of only a small sample. If you go to p. 26 of 28 from that same link (Sauder annual report) that you provided, it lists GS, JPM, MS, BAML, Citi and a whole bunch of other banks as their recruiting partners. Also there's another link that you could go to that shows the same thing: http://www.sauder.ubc.ca/Careers/For_Employers/~/m...
Also, Sauder has a unique program called the UBC Portfolio Management Foundation (Link: http://ubcpmf.com/program_updates.html). This program basically accepts the best and brightest students to manage a $4.5 million investment fund and allows them to intern/work for all of the top banks in New York, London and Toronto. Sauder also has the Capital Markets Mentorship Program where students receive training and mentorship from companies such as GS, RBC, BMO, etc.

Want more? To make it more obvious that Sauder does indeed have strong IB recruitment, the UBC Finance Club lists Morgan Stanley and Citigroup as their sponsors along with RBC Capital Markets, Scotia Capital and the Macquarie Group (Australia's top investment bank). The UBC Finance Club also hosts the annual National Investment Banking Competition & Conference (Link: http://nibc.ubcfinanceclub.com/) in Vancouver, where they managed to successfully recruit several IB executives from all over Canada to judge teams from Ivey, Queen's, McGill, Sauder, etc.

What about Schulich? The York Investment Club lists RBC Capital Markets, BMO Capital Markets, CIBC World Markets and Scotia Capital as their sponsors...pretty good, but obviously no US/International banks are involved with the club. No big event except for a trip to New York probably to tour around Wall St...that ain't too bad. Let's check the Rotman Commerce Finance Association, which we would agree is the most relevant club relating to banking. Link: http://www.rotmancommerce.utoronto.ca/rcfa/alumni.htm has the Canadian Institute of Chartered Business Valuators, the Toronto CFA Society and the Financial Planning Standards Council?! They've got no major events, mediocre sponsorships...something's not right!

In summary: We all know how great of a schoot Ivey is. Queen's has QUIC (impressive annual report) and hosts QFAC, which is sponsored by several BBs, McGill has the Honours Investment Management program and shows strong placement data. I've mentioned a lot about Sauder already, but NOTHING from Schulich or Rotman mentions about BB recruitment.

Mar 31, 2011

I hate most of the d-bags in QUIC. Just sayin...

I win here, I win there...

Jun 17, 2011

I know you guys like to argue/discuss but the deadline for deciding universities has long passed so all this info is no use to the OP :) Just sayin.

"Know thyself"

Jun 17, 2011

trafalgar how old are you? recruitment at sauder to BBs is weak, everyone knows that. Not really sure what the discussion is here.

May 26, 2011

i dug up this thread because i was curious for next year (im in gr 11) and i dont want to decide last minute then regret it

Jun 17, 2011
masn:

i dug up this thread because i was curious for next year (im in gr 11) and i dont want to decide last minute then regret it

Ivey>Queens>McGill>Rotman,Schulich,Sauder

Jul 1, 2011
YE777:
masn:

i dug up this thread because i was curious for next year (im in gr 11) and i dont want to decide last minute then regret it

Ivey>Queens>McGill>Rotman,Schulich,Sauder

This highschooler nailed it

Jun 17, 2011

masn, I recently had to go through the whole decision process - pm me if you'd like.

"Know thyself"

Feb 20, 2012

So Rotman is really that bad?

For some reason I thought that Ivey being better was just egos/bias talking.

Does the same hold true for S&T? And would a bsc be better than a biz degree or vice-versa?

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