What weird version of history do you subscribe to?

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It's entirely possible that I'm just a weirdo, but there are some things I choose to believe or to not disbelieve due to how some facts line up. Examples of my own personal version of history:

  • I think LBJ was in on the JFK assassination
  • I think NK strategic command is seizing the opportunity to have more mercurial US leadership (Trump) take out Kim Jong Un by misleading Kim on what the international community will accept
  • Suge Knight killed Easy-E (do not dispute this)

What are some of yours?

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Comments (116)

Sep 5, 2017

Humans are way older than most of academia thinks. Also we're living in a simulation.

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Sep 5, 2017

Definitely living in a situation. Amazing thread on this by Eddie Braverman

Sep 5, 2017

Makes me feel better about my ego. Like of course you're a fucking golden god dude this is all your world.

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Sep 5, 2017

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Sep 5, 2017

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heister:

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Sep 5, 2017

When people say we evolved to be bi-pedal and have eyes at the top of our body.

Where there people at one point who had eyes at ass level?

Sep 5, 2017

Oh yeah I'm not sold on evolution either. It exists, but I think there's more to the story.

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

Sep 5, 2017

It's likely there was an intervention between homo erectus and sapien. I believe most of what Sitchin wrote about this. Basically the iterations he postulates are: Adamu & Ti-Amat (likely neanderthals), Adapa & Titi (biblical Adam and Eve), Ziusudra (Noah, product of a god mating with offspring of Adam & Eve). Lost Book of Enki *and *There Were Giants Upon the Earth are both excellent reads on the subject.

Sep 7, 2017

WTF

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Sep 5, 2017

1st, this is a thread for speculation. If you want to be a douche, at least contemplate what I mentioned and argue. Or, ignore me. Don't bring Amanda into this! There are many ancient processes we can't currently replicate. So, I'm not going to dismiss intricate historical texts as pure mythology offhand.

Sep 7, 2017

Oi but be real, have you ever said this kind of thing out loud to another living human being?

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Sep 7, 2017
welshmin:

Oi but be real, have you ever said this kind of thing out loud to another living human being?

My position is this--there is a lot that mankind is certain that it knows and understands for which mankind has no clue about.

Sep 5, 2017

I never say these things to typical bankers. But, rigorously conventional thinking is a rewarded trait in many parts of the business. I'm not surprised you find it strange. I'm baffled any person thinks WTC7 fell by itself or that a known government asset on dialysis perpetrated 9/11, evaded capture for 10 years, then was killed and buried at sea. I don't seek out conspiracy theories. I also don't put my head in the sand because I'm terrified of the implications that my reality may be distorted. There are plenty of mysteries in the world. Some people need everything mentally tidy and are willing to substitute bad theories for missing good ones.

Every friend I consider a genius and/or a curious open minded person I've shared this with. Part of the problem is the medium for this discussion and us not knowing each other. I'm a pragmatist.I've been all over the world/country and worked sensitive projects outside of finance. Truth is stranger than fiction.

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Sep 5, 2017

Not really alternative, but check out the politically incorrect guide to the Great Depression.

Sep 6, 2017

I'll nibble, whatcha got?

Sep 5, 2017

It is a book, sorry, I should have made that more clear. Price setting by drawing numbers out of a hat. Destroying livestock and crops to artificially inflate prices and so forth. Just a different look at the Great Depression.

Sep 7, 2017

is it tongue in cheek or...?

I'm curious cause it sounds interesting and am now very close to buying it on Amazon

Sep 5, 2017

I would not describe it as tongue in cheek. Check out the reviews on it, they were pretty direct about the book. He does not paint FDR or Hoover in a good light.

Sep 6, 2017

Why doesn't someone man up and pop Suge once and for all? He has a bullies demeanor while living the thug life.

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Sep 5, 2017

They tried. That's why he's in jail. He ran a would be assassin over.

Sep 6, 2017

even assassins are beta nowadays. smh!

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Sep 6, 2017

Suge Knight ran the rap game during the gang banger era, no one who comes after his is alpha.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

Sep 5, 2017
  • aliens built the great pyramids
  • pizzagate is real news (and incredibly disturbing)
  • Earth may be flat - still on the fence on this one but the recent eclipse has me reconsidering globe earth theory.
  • Moon landing for sure was fake 100%
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Sep 5, 2017

I like all your points except the earth being flat, but at least you have Kyrie Irving on your side.

Sep 6, 2017

The earth has to be flat - if it were round all of the water would run downhill to the south pole. Water flows down hill into holes, thus the world is flat.

Sep 6, 2017

Good lord. Ever heard of gravity?

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May 4, 2018

You ever heard of sarcasm?

Sep 5, 2017

yeah I guess i shouldn't have jumped straight to these Masters/Ph.D. level conspiracy theories. For the conspiracy 101 I'd still probably start with a steady diet of 9/11, JFK, school shooting false flag type stuff. (Side note, anyone else notice that the mass shootings thing has completely gone away under Trump... guess he's not as big a fan of using our intelligence assets for theatre production).

After you get over these basic ones, you'll begin to accept that your government is capable of lying to you and you can then tackle the bigger issues like the ones I outlined above. For sure the Great Pyramids of Giza issue and the Pizzagate conspiracy are advanced topics that cannot possibly be covered with any level of rigor on an internet forum. Each of those took me the equivalent of a CFA level worth of work to accept as reality.

As for why it's worthwhile to research this stuff (e.g. @thebrofessor question) - I think first it is useful to have a more accurate worldview than the average American. Frankly I think this makes me a better investor since I find it easy to look through the obvious false flag type stuff (Boston Marathon bombing for example) and just focus on the underlying agenda. But you're right, at some level this all starts to feel really futile. I felt very depressed when I was actively working on the pizzagate stuff and ultimately had to abandon it for my own sanity... once I grew certain that it was real it was so disgusting to me, and it was frustrating that the media would immediately move to distract from the actual evidence. That is very isolating to be in that position where you know a truth that the rest of the world accepts as "fake news", and I'm sure I lost a couple irl friends over it. Oh well, small price to pay in my book.

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Sep 7, 2017
jankynoname:

Each of those took me the equivalent of a CFA level worth of work to accept as reality.

Imagine how your life would improve if you spent this amount of time on something productive.

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Sep 7, 2017

I'll give you pizzagate... 1 out of 4 ain't bad.

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Sep 5, 2017

The Protestant Reformation didn't go far enough.

"Work ethic, work ethic" - Vince Vaughn
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Sep 5, 2017

7/11 was an inside job

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Sep 5, 2017

These are all facts tho? #dafuq

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Sep 5, 2017

I don't understand stuff like this. the people that say 9/11 was an inside job, that the illuminati is real, new world order, and so on, what's your point? even if you manage to get some shoddy proof of these conspiracy theories, what are you going to do about it? buy some gold, put on your tin hat and get ready for the apocalypse? I'm genuinely curious, what are these people going to do about it? I think life's too short to get preoccupied with stupid shit like this.

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Sep 5, 2017

go ahead, MS me, call me one of the "sheeple," but I'm curious to see if someone has a well worded response to this, because I can't for the life of me understand why this matters at all

also @WallStreetOasis.com @AndyLouis comment editing is broken, please fix!

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Sep 5, 2017

I have this argument with my buddy all the time. He thinks the world is ending so he buys gold. I'm like bro, if you believe that shit why aren't you in the woods with an arsenal just waiting.

That being said, I do believe a lot of what we currently think is half truths or crafted. Most people only care about high level facts so things are too dumbed down to hold any real truth.

Sep 6, 2017

Anyone who subscribes to the "Apocalypse is near" fears would be much better off buying lead than gold...

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Sep 7, 2017

The gold thing always cracks me up. If we really get to the end of the world, why the hell would anyone trade ammunition or food for a useless metal?

Thats why I always have a few thousand rounds of various calibers sitting around the house.

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Sep 5, 2017

I completely agree and I pride myself on my free thinking abilities. Half the shit's probably based in reality but so what, you only have so much time and energy. I'd rather pursue shit I know is real.

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

Sep 5, 2017

for sure. it's one thing to have a gun & know how to shoot, store some potable water and nonperishable food for when you lose power during a hurricane. it's another to build a bunker and be ready for the zombie apocalypse

Sep 6, 2017

I know some iq 140 types that have been preparing for a serious civil war for the past decade, and suggest that Trump is working hard to remove excess fragility from the system caused by globalization.

Sep 7, 2017

I think he said 7/11 is an inside job. And, I'd have to agree I never see those guys working on the outside of their stores. TO be honest I think it's the fault of the slurpee machines breaking a lot and needing fixing.

Sep 5, 2017

i suspect a lot of unfettered nepotism goes on at those establishments

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

Sep 5, 2017

Yea it was a joke bros

Sep 5, 2017

oh no shit bruv. stumped

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

Sep 6, 2017

Agree with this. Some of the theories own their own seem to make sense on the surface, but they all inevitably end with Jewish global banking conspiracies and other dumb shit which completely discredit the original theory.

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Sep 6, 2017
thebrofessor:

I don't understand stuff like this. the people that say 9/11 was an inside job, that the illuminati is real, new world order, and so on, what's your point? even if you manage to get some shoddy proof of these conspiracy theories, what are you going to do about it? buy some gold, put on your tin hat and get ready for the apocalypse? I'm genuinely curious, what are these people going to do about it? I think life's too short to get preoccupied with stupid shit like this.

the same thing religious figureheads do...fuck bitches-get money.

look at joel osteen, creflo dolla, alex jones etc.

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Sep 5, 2017

I think Pac had a lot of demons that led to his own destruction. Suge then had some goons kill Biggie while he was in LA because he's a dope and doesn't think clearly in the head. He really believed in his own BS crafted story about Biggie.

I think a lot of what happens is basically like the telephone theory. Everything that we hear, unless we're directly involved in the situation, gets told to us but in a slightly more distorted way each time, until we can no longer tell the original story back to who the story originated with. I think when we witness something from the third person, we only know half of the truth because there is always more context to the time and place in which a specific event takes place.

So, I think there are a lot of alternative stories out there, mainly because there are multiple first-person perspectives that can ultimately tell the story. What I don't believe in is conspiracies, because just as Brofessor said, who cares and has time for that. Besides, any truth can be real if you believe it enough.

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Sep 5, 2017

New Coke was never meant to be a permanent replacement for regular coke. Coca Cola intentionally created a poor-tasting New Coke in the 80s as a cover for switching from cane sugar to corn syrup in regular coke.

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Sep 7, 2017

Probably the only theory on this page that is plausible

Sep 7, 2017

I believe(almost) that the creation of The Fed was a nefarious scheme led by the "robber barons" of the early 1900s.

Hollywood is lorded over by The Gay Mafia

Sep 7, 2017

Your Hollywood point is spot on

Sep 5, 2017

Agriculture was (and is) the beginning of the end of human society.

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Sep 6, 2017

What are we supposed to eat, then? Dirt?

To infinity... and beyond!

Sep 5, 2017

He's saying that agriculture led to humans becoming weaker in every way, but allowed us to populate the earth in huge numbers. The individual human is definitely more healthy living as a hunter-gatherer. But we probably never would have gotten to the point where we can land shit on Mars and whatnot doing that.

In a world devoid of challenge and struggle, man must seek it out. For the nature of existence is suffering and one can choose to face it head-on or to shrink from it in order to escape. Most choose to shrink, but escape is impossible through this path; it's an illusion. Those who choose to face it head-on are those who matter.

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Sep 5, 2017

superb explanation of my thoughts.

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Sep 7, 2017
GoldenCinderblock:

In a world devoid of challenge and struggle, man must seek it out. For the nature of existence is suffering and one can choose to face it head-on or to shrink from it in order to escape. Most choose to shrink, but escape is impossible through this path; it's an illusion. Those who choose to face it head-on are those who matter.

Remember: the only thing worse than squatting is not squatting.

Sep 6, 2017

Isn't that one of the bigger themes in Sapiens?

"We listen, if it feels good we shake."
"This town is nuts, my kind of place."
-WSMFP

Sep 5, 2017

not really a theory, moreso a fact. but again, it depends on your definition of being unhealthy. agriculture has allowed us time to pursue other things, like invention, modern medicine, and so forth. the problem is most humans don't make the necessary effort to keep themselves healthy, challenged, and grateful, and therefore, you have pieces of shit people everywhere

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Sep 6, 2017

Why does pizza come in a square box, is a circle and then cut into triangles to eat...

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Feb 11, 2018

Sorry, but I'm going to need a source for that.

Sep 6, 2017

How do Americans continue with their lives after the story the 9/11 commission released on Building 7. This I will never know.

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Sep 5, 2017

Can you give a TL;DR?

Sep 6, 2017

One of the buildings in the world trade center complex collapsed and it wasn't hit by a plane.

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Sep 5, 2017

I don't think it's far fetched to believe that a damaged building wasn't controlled demo'd. I've seen the pics and that building wasn't damaged to the point it collapsed. Issue is the following:

1) can't prove it
2) people associate it with conspiracy theory and automatically think you're insane
3) grand scheme , who cares (besides you and I)

I'm not a structural engineer, but it is pretty odd how that building collapsed s.

Sep 6, 2017

Most people don't even know a third building fell on 9/11, truly sad.

Sep 5, 2017

I also believe in Ayn Rand's theory that there is a class of people that all share similar ideas of strength and aren't afraid to be a little anti-social, like Zuckerberg, who built a social network site because he was very anti-social. But I think this is true without it making one a socio-path. I believe in guys from the story like Hank Rearden, Francis D'Anconia, and John Galt. But I don't think it's something that is linear. I don't think there is some race or heritage applied to it, like white people do, or black people, or Asians. I think there are people who were born with gifts and are able to do more than others, but who also have that courage to not be scared of being viewed negatively by society for working hard. I don't believe in rich entitled people, I don't believe in poor entitled people. I prefer to stay away from those who are similar to James Taggart or Rearden's wife. I actually think I'm a moderate only because of how many people I view as not really deserving of a chance to live on this earth. But, I also hold a lot of sympathy for all of the people that I would place into this class, since a lot of them are in my immediate network of friends and family. And, I believe in capitalism because if gives me a reason to want to live, besides the few friends I view as worthy of my time.

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Sep 6, 2017

wow there's a lot of fucked up people on this website

I'd rather you just be a truther

Sep 5, 2017

I wouldn't. Truthers vote for Trump and Adolf Hitler.

Sep 5, 2017

Hitler supported gun control and being a vegetarian. Therefore people who support gun control and not eating meat = Hitler.

Sep 5, 2017

I'm not implying a relationship between Trump and Hitler, except perhaps indirectly. I'm saying that it was truthers--people that believed Jews controlled everything in some conspiracy to the world's demise--who voted for Hitler in the earlier decades in the 1900s. The indirect link is that it was probably the same type of people that ended up voting for Trump to "make America great again" or whatever, in response to the elitists, Jews, blacks, Mexicans and whatever else is taking away their jobs.

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Sep 5, 2017

This is an incredibly simplistic view of what led Hitler to power.

As for Trump, illegal immigration is lowering wages and taking jobs from Americans, fact. Illegals do more than just pick fruit for below market wages in the field. They do construction and yard work, clean hotel rooms, kitchen work in restaurants, etc. All jobs Americans could do.

Illegals take spots in colleges, they cost us money by being in jail and use resources that could go to citizens.

Trump never, ever scapegoated Mexicans. He targeted illegal immigrant. And trump was elected because globalism has pros and cons and the cons were ignored by both parties.

People need to stop evoking Hitler all the time. Trumps a NYC liberal who is a moderate. Only in the US would requiring people to legally immigrant to a country be considered fascist.

Sep 5, 2017

That's a very rational way of looking at things. Except I don't believe that's what led him to be elected. Trump won the shift in views by all demographics. I'm really not going to believe that all of these people voted for Trump due to policy, but more likely it was due to the appeal to their emotions.

So while I'd like to think it was as simple as policy, (which Trump has never actually talked about in detail on any topic, unless you consider "build a wall" rational policy) his victory was probably actually pushed by these truther lunatics coming out from off their couches to actually vote. It was a victory won at the hearts, for policies they won't likely ever see.

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Sep 5, 2017

Is hope and change not a call to emotion? Was Hillary not playing the woman card?

And which voting group digs into policy? Was Obama deeper in policy than Romney? And what policy actually takes place once someone is elected.

Let's be real, you assume and think what people did, but have no fact. Trump won a higher % of the black and Hispanic vote than any recent republican. He won rustbelt states that all recent republicans lost. You think this was all because of Mexican hatred?

Trump talked about jobs, he talked about being US centric. He talked about stopping illegal immigration. He talked about stopping Muslim immigration until we could vet people properly (btw the San Bernandino shooters wife had open anti American and terrorist supporting shit on her Facebook).

I'm sorry, but Trump won because both parties forgot the middle.

Sep 7, 2017

I think that it wasn't that Trump won, but Hillary lost. She just didn't have the votes come out for her the way Obama did in big swing states.

Sep 5, 2017
C.R.E. Shervin:

I think that it wasn't that Trump won, but Hillary lost. She just didn't have the votes come out for her the way Obama did in big swing states.

[Westbrook]:

Sep 6, 2017
C.R.E. Shervin:

I think that it wasn't that Trump won, but Hillary lost. She just didn't have the black votes for her the way Obama did in big swing states.

fixd

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Sep 6, 2017

Global warming is a hoax created by the Chinese!

Sep 7, 2017

don't tell them it's a hoax, they are really committed to the lie.

Sep 5, 2017

Also - I think there is a very good chance that Vladimir Putin is in fact the richest person in the world

Sep 5, 2017

DP

Sep 6, 2017

Whatt??

Sep 6, 2017

Not at all dinging your comment, or trying to sidetrack, but I've always found it amusing this notion of "richest person in the world." As if there's some law that says wealth must be disclosed if you're X rich. It should be "richest person whose wealth can be estimated by public holdings" or something. Sure, the net worths of guys like Zuckerberg can be accurately estimated due to the bulk of their wealth being comprised in public equity. But they aren't the only players. Cash/equivalents, commodities, RE, trusts... can add up easily, and aren't (required to be) disclosed, unless you're a politician.

Sep 5, 2017

No real disagreement from me... just think this might be more applicable for determining wealth at say the 100m to 1 or 2B level. Can someone with 15B really hide their wealth? My understanding is that at this level, "wealth" simply refers to equity ownership of a given company. Is is feasible to hold 4B in real estate or something without anyone knowing?

Then again, Putin must be able to hide his wealth somehow if this theory is true...

Sep 6, 2017

RE might fall under public record, given the laws applicable to the subject property, but I could hide true ownership with a small maze of LLCs. Barring use of a dead-end, offshore registered agent, perhaps a good attorney with time/resources could come close to ascertaining the "behind the scenes" owner(s), but it's certainly not the same as pulling SEC filings and doing simple multiplication.

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Sep 6, 2017

Sorority girls don't poop and every whore I bang out was a virgin before me. I haven't even read the title of this thread by the way, I just thought I would share these true facts with you all.

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Sep 7, 2017
FratLord:

Sorority girls don't poop and every whore I bang out was a virgin before me. I haven't even read the title of this thread by the way, I just thought I would share these true facts with you all.

No girls poop. That's not exactly a conspiracy, that's an undisputed fact.

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Sep 6, 2017

Melting point of structural grade steel > temperature at which jet fuel burns (in a pure O2 environment, let alone natural air).

Life is a simulation.

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Sep 7, 2017

Any conspiracy theory involving the U.S. federal government is almost certainly wrong. People have a very flawed view of who populates the federal government, and I've got news for you--it's not the best and brightest. And, by the way, few secrets can be kept, let alone huge secrets involving hundreds of people committing mass murder (i.e. 9/11), requiring dozens or hundreds of sociopaths with no conscience about murdering innocent people.

The capabilities of the CIA, NSA, et al are also grossly misunderstood/exaggerated. These agencies have a bizarre mix of the most advanced technology of the day and 30-year-old equipment that barely works. Remember how the FBI got out-teched by Apple and had to make a big public stink about it? Yeah, that's normal. Also, their ranks are populated by normal human beings with normal problems.

Sep 6, 2017

To be fair, I didn't point fingers, only stated indisputable facts. I'm not saying the gummunt did it, or even that any nefarious entity did. Just that more than a damn commercial airliner dropped it, from a physical standpoint. Whether it was a safety issue and needed to be controlled, I don't know. Insurance simplification (cheaper to rebuild than repair), maybe.

But in the history of modern construction, do you know how many steel-frame buildings have collapsed due to fire? Three. And one of them caught fire from "debris" from the other two, not jet fuel.

Sep 7, 2017

I believe Popular Mechanics put out a documentary a decade or so ago debunking virtually all of the myths surrounding 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Sep 7, 2017

Yeah, that's the myth that kills me the most. And just to take the one fact the melting point of steel and the structural integrity and tensile strength of steel are completely different things.

Sep 8, 2017

They did. Also, steel will lose it's structural integrity long before it actually melts

Sep 7, 2017

Exactly, anybody who has to engage government agencies on a regular basis would understand this is categorically true. The idea that there is some omnipresent, omnipotent cabal of government actors conducting massive conspiracies is absurd. The government is a dragon with no head that operates in fragmented, often redundant, black boxes. These are institutions that cannot account for billions of dollars and lack the coordination and concert to pass a simple audit.

Never attribute to malice what can easily be explained away by incompetence.

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Sep 7, 2017

I love reading about Illuminati, NWO, US army black projects, and Alien conspiracy theories. I don't believe them, but I like how some people/groups of people have made pretty well thought out stories. These guys should be writing books, could probably cash in.

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Sep 6, 2017

The illuminati is allegedly headquartered in the Denver airport lol.

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Sep 6, 2017

I was just there 2 weeks ago. My uber driver was telling me how the Airport is a military base that the US would use to defend the country from the middle, interesting ride.

Sep 5, 2017

that's how he maintains his 5-star rating

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Sep 6, 2017

I thought it was the complimentary joint we hit before the ride

Sep 5, 2017

oh that's rad bro. one join one hit though? like he has everyone hit the same joint then he puts it out on the sole of his shoe and tucks it away for the next rider?

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

Sep 6, 2017

sharing is caring in hippy culture

Sep 6, 2017

Yeah I went there a few weeks ago too. Nice airport.

Buzzfeed lol

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Sep 5, 2017

been there quite a bit, seen all the stuff they're talking about, this is way overblown

Sep 6, 2017

I wholly regret starting this discussion

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Sep 5, 2017

we're now approaching the 1y anniversary of when all threads started getting hijacked to talking about politics. it's not you bro, it's WSO

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Sep 7, 2017

I don't

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Sep 7, 2017

Ultimately, as the US become more powerful over the last century and in the world, and the American people have been moulded to think and believe certain things (see MK Ultra & Project Mockingbird) in order to cement more power in the world (military industrial complex). False flags are real, gov becoming more and more powerful is real its just hard to see all of this and have a positive view of the world. What can I do about it? I just focus on living my own life and remaining a positive influence to friends and family while also remaining skeptical about what I see and hear.

Everything in media is disgustingly manipulated. We are so focused on playing "Republicans and Democrats" American politics has become sports-like in nature. Divide et impera!

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Sep 7, 2017

I subscribe to the idea that large automotive corporations colluded to turn buses into a thing.

I really hate buses, no way anyone actually created those damn things and made them as prominent as they are without doing so illegally.

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Sep 7, 2017

I think most conspiracies are bullshit, but I do believe we didn't evolve from Neanderthal's or whatever species before Homo sapiens. I think it's more possible that we were dumped off here, or were created by something be it another species of humans or some sort of higher being. Consciousness just seems too unlikely to develop out of nowhere through evolution to me.

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Sep 7, 2017

Stevie Wonder isn't blind

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