It's entirely possible that I'm just a weirdo, but there are some things I choose to believe or to not disbelieve due to how some facts line up. Examples of my own personal version of history:
- I think LBJ was in on the JFK assassination
- I think NK strategic command is seizing the opportunity to have more mercurial US leadership (Trump) take out Kim Jong Un by misleading Kim on what the international community will accept
- Suge Knight killed Easy-E (do not dispute this)
What are some of yours?
Humans are way older than most of academia thinks. Also we're living in a simulation.
Definitely living in a situation. Amazing thread on this byhttps://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/were-totally-living-in-a-simulat…</a"> Eddie Braverman
Makes me feel better about my ego. Like of course you're a fucking golden god dude this is all your world.
When people say we evolved to be bi-pedal and have eyes at the top of our body.
Where there people at one point who had eyes at ass level?
Oh yeah I'm not sold on evolution either. It exists, but I think there's more to the story.
It's likely there was an intervention between homo erectus and sapien. I believe most of what Sitchin wrote about this. Basically the iterations he postulates are: Adamu & Ti-Amat (likely neanderthals), Adapa & Titi (biblical Adam and Eve), Ziusudra (Noah, product of a god mating with offspring of Adam & Eve). Lost Book of Enki *and *There Were Giants Upon the Earth are both excellent reads on the subject.
Not really alternative, but check out the politically incorrect guide to the Great Depression.
I'll nibble, whatcha got?
It is a book, sorry, I should have made that more clear. Price setting by drawing numbers out of a hat. Destroying livestock and crops to artificially inflate prices and so forth. Just a different look at the Great Depression.
Why doesn't someone man up and pop Suge once and for all? He has a bullies demeanor while living the thug life.
They tried. That's why he's in jail. He ran a would be assassin over.
even assassins are beta nowadays. smh!
I like all your points except the earth being flat, but at least you have Kyrie Irving on your side.
The earth has to be flat - if it were round all of the water would run downhill to the south pole. Water flows down hill into holes, thus the world is flat.
yeah I guess i shouldn't have jumped straight to these Masters/Ph.D. level conspiracy theories. For the conspiracy 101 I'd still probably start with a steady diet of 9/11, JFK, school shooting false flag type stuff. (Side note, anyone else notice that the mass shootings thing has completely gone away under Trump... guess he's not as big a fan of using our intelligence assets for theatre production).
After you get over these basic ones, you'll begin to accept that your government is capable of lying to you and you can then tackle the bigger issues like the ones I outlined above. For sure the Great Pyramids of Giza issue and the Pizzagate conspiracy are advanced topics that cannot possibly be covered with any level of rigor on an internet forum. Each of those took me the equivalent of a CFA level worth of work to accept as reality.
As for why it's worthwhile to research this stuff (e.g. thebrofessor question) - I think first it is useful to have a more accurate worldview than the average American. Frankly I think this makes me a better investor since I find it easy to look through the obvious false flag type stuff (Boston Marathon bombing for example) and just focus on the underlying agenda. But you're right, at some level this all starts to feel really futile. I felt very depressed when I was actively working on the pizzagate stuff and ultimately had to abandon it for my own sanity... once I grew certain that it was real it was so disgusting to me, and it was frustrating that the media would immediately move to distract from the actual evidence. That is very isolating to be in that position where you know a truth that the rest of the world accepts as "fake news", and I'm sure I lost a couple irl friends over it. Oh well, small price to pay in my book.
I'll give you pizzagate... 1 out of 4 ain't bad.
The Protestant Reformation didn't go far enough.
7/11 was an inside job
These are all facts tho? #dafuq
I don't understand stuff like this. the people that say 9/11 was an inside job, that the illuminati is real, new world order, and so on, what's your point? even if you manage to get some shoddy proof of these conspiracy theories, what are you going to do about it? buy some gold, put on your tin hat and get ready for the apocalypse? I'm genuinely curious, what are these people going to do about it? I think life's too short to get preoccupied with stupid shit like this.
go ahead, MS me, call me one of the "sheeple," but I'm curious to see if someone has a well worded response to this, because I can't for the life of me understand why this matters at all
also WallStreetOasis.com AndyLouis comment editing is broken, please fix!
I have this argument with my buddy all the time. He thinks the world is ending so he buys gold. I'm like bro, if you believe that shit why aren't you in the woods with an arsenal just waiting.
That being said, I do believe a lot of what we currently think is half truths or crafted. Most people only care about high level facts so things are too dumbed down to hold any real truth.
I completely agree and I pride myself on my free thinking abilities. Half the shit's probably based in reality but so what, you only have so much time and energy. I'd rather pursue shit I know is real.
I think he said 7/11 is an inside job. And, I'd have to agree I never see those guys working on the outside of their stores. TO be honest I think it's the fault of the slurpee machines breaking a lot and needing fixing.
i suspect a lot of unfettered nepotism goes on at those establishments
Yea it was a joke bros
Agree with this. Some of the theories own their own seem to make sense on the surface, but they all inevitably end with Jewish global banking conspiracies and other dumb shit which completely discredit the original theory.
the same thing religious figureheads do...fuck bitches-get money.
look at joel osteen, creflo dolla, alex jones etc.
I think Pac had a lot of demons that led to his own destruction. Suge then had some goons kill Biggie while he was in LA because he's a dope and doesn't think clearly in the head. He really believed in his own BS crafted story about Biggie.
I think a lot of what happens is basically like the telephone theory. Everything that we hear, unless we're directly involved in the situation, gets told to us but in a slightly more distorted way each time, until we can no longer tell the original story back to who the story originated with. I think when we witness something from the third person, we only know half of the truth because there is always more context to the time and place in which a specific event takes place.
So, I think there are a lot of alternative stories out there, mainly because there are multiple first-person perspectives that can ultimately tell the story. What I don't believe in is conspiracies, because just as Brofessor said, who cares and has time for that. Besides, any truth can be real if you believe it enough.
New Coke was never meant to be a permanent replacement for regular coke. Coca Cola intentionally created a poor-tasting New Coke in the 80s as a cover for switching from cane sugar to corn syrup in regular coke.
Probably the only theory on this page that is plausible
I believe(almost) that the creation of The Fed was a nefarious scheme led by the "robber barons" of the early 1900s.
Hollywood is lorded over by The Gay Mafia
Your Hollywood point is spot on
Agriculture was (and is) the beginning of the end of human society.
What are we supposed to eat, then? Dirt?
He's saying that agriculture led to humans becoming weaker in every way, but allowed us to populate the earth in huge numbers. The individual human is definitely more healthy living as a hunter-gatherer. But we probably never would have gotten to the point where we can land shit on Mars and whatnot doing that.
In a world devoid of challenge and struggle, man must seek it out. For the nature of existence is suffering and one can choose to face it head-on or to shrink from it in order to escape. Most choose to shrink, but escape is impossible through this path; it's an illusion. Those who choose to face it head-on are those who matter.
Isn't that one of the bigger themes in Sapiens?
not really a theory, moreso a fact. but again, it depends on your definition of being unhealthy. agriculture has allowed us time to pursue other things, like invention, modern medicine, and so forth. the problem is most humans don't make the necessary effort to keep themselves healthy, challenged, and grateful, and therefore, you have pieces of shit people everywhere
Why does pizza come in a square box, is a circle and then cut into triangles to eat...
Sorry, but I'm going to need a source for that.
How do Americans continue with their lives after the story the 9/11 commission released on Building 7. This I will never know.
Can you give a TL;DR?
One of the buildings in the world trade center complex collapsed and it wasn't hit by a plane.
I also believe in Ayn Rand's theory that there is a class of people that all share similar ideas of strength and aren't afraid to be a little anti-social, like Zuckerberg, who built a social network site because he was very anti-social. But I think this is true without it making one a socio-path. I believe in guys from the story like Hank Rearden, Francis D'Anconia, and John Galt. But I don't think it's something that is linear. I don't think there is some race or heritage applied to it, like white people do, or black people, or Asians. I think there are people who were born with gifts and are able to do more than others, but who also have that courage to not be scared of being viewed negatively by society for working hard. I don't believe in rich entitled people, I don't believe in poor entitled people. I prefer to stay away from those who are similar to James Taggart or Rearden's wife. I actually think I'm a moderate only because of how many people I view as not really deserving of a chance to live on this earth. But, I also hold a lot of sympathy for all of the people that I would place into this class, since a lot of them are in my immediate network of friends and family. And, I believe in capitalism because if gives me a reason to want to live, besides the few friends I view as worthy of my time.
wow there's a lot of fucked up people on this website
I'd rather you just be a truther
I wouldn't. Truthers vote for Trump and Adolf Hitler.
Hitler supported gun control and being a vegetarian. Therefore people who support gun control and not eating meat = Hitler.
I'm not implying a relationship between Trump and Hitler, except perhaps indirectly. I'm saying that it was truthers--people that believed Jews controlled everything in some conspiracy to the world's demise--who voted for Hitler in the earlier decades in the 1900s. The indirect link is that it was probably the same type of people that ended up voting for Trump to "make America great again" or whatever, in response to the elitists, Jews, blacks, Mexicans and whatever else is taking away their jobs.
This is an incredibly simplistic view of what led Hitler to power.
As for Trump, illegal immigration is lowering wages and taking jobs from Americans, fact. Illegals do more than just pick fruit for below market wages in the field. They do construction and yard work, clean hotel rooms, kitchen work in restaurants, etc. All jobs Americans could do.
Illegals take spots in colleges, they cost us money by being in jail and use resources that could go to citizens.
Trump never, ever scapegoated Mexicans. He targeted illegal immigrant. And trump was elected because globalism has pros and cons and the cons were ignored by both parties.
People need to stop evoking Hitler all the time. Trumps a NYC liberal who is a moderate. Only in the US would requiring people to legally immigrant to a country be considered fascist.
That's a very rational way of looking at things. Except I don't believe that's what led him to be elected. Trump won the shift in views by all demographics. I'm really not going to believe that all of these people voted for Trump due to policy, but more likely it was due to the appeal to their emotions.
So while I'd like to think it was as simple as policy, (which Trump has never actually talked about in detail on any topic, unless you consider "build a wall" rational policy) his victory was probably actually pushed by these truther lunatics coming out from off their couches to actually vote. It was a victory won at the hearts, for policies they won't likely ever see.
Is hope and change not a call to emotion? Was Hillary not playing the woman card?
And which voting group digs into policy? Was Obama deeper in policy than Romney? And what policy actually takes place once someone is elected.
Let's be real, you assume and think what people did, but have no fact. Trump won a higher % of the black and Hispanic vote than any recent republican. He won rustbelt states that all recent republicans lost. You think this was all because of Mexican hatred?
Trump talked about jobs, he talked about being US centric. He talked about stopping illegal immigration. He talked about stopping Muslim immigration until we could vet people properly (btw the San Bernandino shooters wife had open anti American and terrorist supporting shit on her Facebook).
I'm sorry, but Trump won because both parties forgot the middle.
I think that it wasn't that Trump won, but Hillary lost. She just didn't have the votes come out for her the way Obama did in big swing states.
Global warming is a hoax created by the Chinese!
don't tell them it's a hoax, they are really committed to the lie.
DP
Also - I think there is a very good chance that Vladimir Putin is in fact the richest person in the world
Whatt??
Not at all dinging your comment, or trying to sidetrack, but I've always found it amusing this notion of "richest person in the world." As if there's some law that says wealth must be disclosed if you're X rich. It should be "richest person whose wealth can be estimated by public holdings" or something. Sure, the net worths of guys like Zuckerberg can be accurately estimated due to the bulk of their wealth being comprised in public equity. But they aren't the only players. Cash/equivalents, commodities, RE, trusts... can add up easily, and aren't (required to be) disclosed, unless you're a politician.
No real disagreement from me... just think this might be more applicable for determining wealth at say the 100m to 1 or 2B level. Can someone with 15B really hide their wealth? My understanding is that at this level, "wealth" simply refers to equity ownership of a given company. Is is feasible to hold 4B in real estate or something without anyone knowing?
Then again, Putin must be able to hide his wealth somehow if this theory is true...
Sorority girls don't poop and every whore I bang out was a virgin before me. I haven't even read the title of this thread by the way, I just thought I would share these true facts with you all.
Melting point of structural grade steel > temperature at which jet fuel burns (in a pure O2 environment, let alone natural air).
Life is a simulation.
Any conspiracy theory involving the U.S. federal government is almost certainly wrong. People have a very flawed view of who populates the federal government, and I've got news for you--it's not the best and brightest. And, by the way, few secrets can be kept, let alone huge secrets involving hundreds of people committing mass murder (i.e. 9/11), requiring dozens or hundreds of sociopaths with no conscience about murdering innocent people.
The capabilities of the CIA, NSA, et al are also grossly misunderstood/exaggerated. These agencies have a bizarre mix of the most advanced technology of the day and 30-year-old equipment that barely works. Remember how the FBI got out-teched by Apple and had to make a big public stink about it? Yeah, that's normal. Also, their ranks are populated by normal human beings with normal problems.
To be fair, I didn't point fingers, only stated indisputable facts. I'm not saying the gummunt did it, or even that any nefarious entity did. Just that more than a damn commercial airliner dropped it, from a physical standpoint. Whether it was a safety issue and needed to be controlled, I don't know. Insurance simplification (cheaper to rebuild than repair), maybe.
But in the history of modern construction, do you know how many steel-frame buildings have collapsed due to fire? Three. And one of them caught fire from "debris" from the other two, not jet fuel.
I believe Popular Mechanics put out a documentary a decade or so ago debunking virtually all of the myths surrounding 9/11 conspiracy theories.
Exactly, anybody who has to engage government agencies on a regular basis would understand this is categorically true. The idea that there is some omnipresent, omnipotent cabal of government actors conducting massive conspiracies is absurd. The government is a dragon with no head that operates in fragmented, often redundant, black boxes. These are institutions that cannot account for billions of dollars and lack the coordination and concert to pass a simple audit.
Never attribute to malice what can easily be explained away by incompetence.
I love reading about Illuminati, NWO, US army black projects, and Alien conspiracy theories. I don't believe them, but I like how some people/groups of people have made pretty well thought out stories. These guys should be writing books, could probably cash in.
The illuminati is allegedly headquartered in the Denver airport lol.
I was just there 2 weeks ago. My uber driver was telling me how the Airport is a military base that the US would use to defend the country from the middle, interesting ride.
I wholly regret starting this discussion
we're now approaching the 1y anniversary of when all threads started getting hijacked to talking about politics. it's not you bro, it's WSO
I don't
Ultimately, as the US become more powerful over the last century and in the world, and the American people have been moulded to think and believe certain things (see MK Ultra & Project Mockingbird) in order to cement more power in the world (military industrial complex). False flags are real, gov becoming more and more powerful is real its just hard to see all of this and have a positive view of the world. What can I do about it? I just focus on living my own life and remaining a positive influence to friends and family while also remaining skeptical about what I see and hear.
Everything in media is disgustingly manipulated. We are so focused on playing "Republicans and Democrats" American politics has become sports-like in nature. Divide et impera!
I subscribe to the idea that large automotive corporations colluded to turn buses into a thing.
I really hate buses, no way anyone actually created those damn things and made them as prominent as they are without doing so illegally.
I think most conspiracies are bullshit, but I do believe we didn't evolve from Neanderthal's or whatever species before Homo sapiens. I think it's more possible that we were dumped off here, or were created by something be it another species of humans or some sort of higher being. Consciousness just seems too unlikely to develop out of nowhere through evolution to me.
Stevie Wonder isn't blind
Surprised no one mentioned it: NBA and MLB championship series are intentionally drawn out to as many games as possible. Don't think they can do much about the NFL.
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