White People Benefit Most from Aff Action

Getting annoyed constantly seeing all these whiny posts from white guys complaining that all the minorities are taking their $250k high finance jobs, while they sit in their offices that are 90% white.

Statistically, white women benefit the most - by far - from AA more than anyone else. And when you look at things like ivy admissions, the only reason places like HYP aren't almost entirely comprised of Asian students (who statistically outperform almost all other racial groups on paper) are because institutions are afraid to allow white people to become the vast minority and alienate white applicants/money.

If the world was a complete meritocracy, Joey from the Long Island private high school with a 3.85 might not have gotten into Harvard without admissions taking race into account to ensure a "diverse" class. It's almost like you all think that if your high paying job or high ranking college isn't filled with all white men, then something is wrong and everyone else must be unqualified. Gross.

So please leave the AA tears off WSO. And if you're scared that the Jamals and Carmens of the world are coming to take your lunch, work harder and shut the f*** up while you sit in your summer house in Capri.

See link for stats references:

https://www.acluok.org/sites/default/files/wp/wp-…

https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-sup…

https://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/uk/17/04/other-a…

https://www.pnas.org/content/111/23/8416

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Oct 14, 2021 - 12:57pm

You make a lot of false claims with no data, which means you're just making this up.

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Oct 14, 2021 - 1:07pm

Why did you say "white people" benefit in your subject if you're primarily talking about "white women" - it's a bit misleading.

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Oct 14, 2021 - 1:07pm

It is not usually the whiny white guys on here who complain about AA.  Today's topic is the exception.

Oct 14, 2021 - 1:09pm

This whole thread is people complaining about white people. How dare we exist.

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Oct 14, 2021 - 1:15pm

It is going to end up not being much different from the other AA topic from today or the ones we see weekly.

Oct 14, 2021 - 1:17pm

Nothing wrong with being white. But complaining that someone is stealing from you while you're doing better than everyone else is annoying. Every racial group has some annoying quality. Whining about affirmative action is that for white people.

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Oct 14, 2021 - 2:15pm

Yankee Doodle

This whole thread is people complaining about white people. How dare we exist.

No one is complaining about people being white.

people are complaining about white people complaining. Big difference. Why are white dudes always acting so oppressed holy shit lol , turn off CNN retards

Oct 14, 2021 - 1:38pm

wittyusrnm

Getting annoyed constantly seeing all these whiny posts from white guys complaining that all the minorities are taking their $250k high finance jobs, while they sit in their offices that are 90% white [because of increasing Asian hires, most are not 90% white].

Statistically, white women benefit the most - by far - from AA more than anyone else [if you measure the claimed benefit by taking HS/college performance and then correlating it with admissions/job offer outcomes, this is not close to being the case]. And when you look at things like ivy admissions, the only reason places like HYP aren't almost entirely comprised of Asian students (who statistically outperform almost all other racial groups on paper) are because institutions are afraid to allow white people to become the vast minority and alienate white applicants/money. [go look at the discovery process of the Harvard admissions lawsuit, in a strictly GPA-SAT admissions policy there would be increased Asian admissions and roughly the same proportion of white people; those who "underperform" the most in the admissions process given their standardized test scores and cognitive assessments are rural/downscale whites, the PSAT has done reams of research on this.  Harvard's internal research team conducted these studies and put them in easily digestible powerpoint graphs, not expecting them to be made public]

If the world was a complete meritocracy, Joey from the Long Island private high school [is this supposed to mean LI private schools are great? Is Joey supposed to be a rich person's name?] with a 3.85 might not have gotten into Harvard without admissions taking race into account to ensure a "diverse" class. It's almost like you all think that if your high paying job or high ranking college isn't filled with all white men, then something is wrong and everyone else must be unqualified [no one implied this, if anything this forum is filled with admiration for Asian-Americans]. Gross.

So please leave the AA tears off WSO. And if you're scared that the Jamals and Carmens of the world are coming to take your lunch [no one is scared of this], work harder and shut the f*** up while you sit in your summer house in Capri [do you know any American national in your office or social circles with a fully owned summer house on Capri?  People with that level of wealth do not own summer houses in Capri.....].

See link for stats references:

https://www.acluok.org/sites/default/files/wp/wp-…

https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-sup…

https://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/uk/17/04/other-a…

https://www.pnas.org/content/111/23/8416

Fixed it for you in brackets.  

Oct 14, 2021 - 3:02pm

Mostly agree with this.  If more Asians did sports or sent their kids to the same universities (which is less common at the moment since Asians are relatively new to the US) then they'd have much of the same benefits whites have.  None of it is done on a racial basis.

But why do you think people aren't scared of losing their jobs to minorities through affirmative action?  Isn't that the reason most people are against it, because they think people with less qualifications will take their jobs just because of skin color?

Oct 14, 2021 - 3:16pm

Drumpfy

Mostly agree with this.  If more Asians did sports or sent their kids to the same universities (which is less common at the moment since Asians are relatively new to the US) then they'd have much of the same benefits whites have.  None of it is done on a racial basis.

But why do you think people aren't scared of losing their jobs to minorities through affirmative action?  Isn't that the reason most people are against it, because they think people with less qualifications will take their jobs just because of skin color?

I think people are against it on abstract terms rather than day-to-day considerations in terms of employment (for admissions it is more visceral). I do not think it is an active concern for many in the office. Its usage varies so much by field and the degree of scarcity affects how it is perceived. If you are trying to obtain a tenure track position (there are so few of them) or become a doctor, it will be more significant than say finance at the middle to upper levels. 

Oct 14, 2021 - 1:52pm

The claim that white women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action is incredibly misleading. It conflates two sets of policies - bans on gender/race employment discrimination (what's helped white women) and boosts for certain minority groups in college admissions and hiring (what's usually referred to as "affirmative action"). The latter currently provides minimal benefit to white women. 

Additionally, we have case studies from states that have banned affirmative action then saw white enrollment in competitive institutions increase, suggesting whites in aggregate are not helped by these programs, e.g.: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-22/prop-209s-affirmati…

Oct 14, 2021 - 2:07pm

When it comes to law school applications, white women don't get a boost, but URMs have roughly a 7% advantage.

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https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/do-underrepresented-minority-urm-appli…

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Oct 14, 2021 - 2:37pm

This is underestimating the advantage. You see it in the backend where no aff action admits get onto law review or the top half of the class in the T13, a professor mentions this fact, and the school exploded without rebutting the claim. 

Oct 14, 2021 - 2:17pm

Your sources are pretty garbage.

The first source says that affirmative action benefits Asians.

Your second source says that affirmative action benefits white women who hold managerial jobs over Latinos, Asians, and Blacks, but considers Asians beneficiaries of affirmative action

The third source is mostly dedicated to explaining the fourth source.

The fourth source is concerned with Asian Americans finishing high school and college.

None of these explain your argument.  This is from the Harvard affirmative action court case, and it says that neither whites nor Asians benefit from affirmative action.

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/georgetown-law-journal/wp-content/upload…

The court specifically found that race is used as "a tip or plus factor" for "African American and Hispanic applicants, while white and Asian American applicants are unlikely to receive a meaningful race-based tip."  Notably, outside of the context of race, the only other category to meaningfully receive such "tips" are "recruited athletes, legacies, applicants on the dean's or director's interest lists, and children of faculty or staff" ("ALDCs").

So the benefit towards whites is mostly a result of the fact that whites are more likely to play sports or have a parent who attended since Asians are relatively new to the US.

Oct 14, 2021 - 3:34pm

Please tell me one example how a white male has benefitted from affirmative action?

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