y are all the men i work with cardio bunnies

i can name only a few people that i work with that lift. the rest (especially the older ones) only do cardio. ive noticed this has been a trend amongst rich guys (they all bike around my town on their $5000 bikes on sat. mornings) yalls would look much better if u got muscular i dont get it

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  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Dec 22, 2020 - 8:54pm

Why are you checking out the other guys in your office........?

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Dec 26, 2020 - 7:48am

Potentially because they care more about cardiovascular health than impressing some random monkey with the striations on their delts?

your cardio bunny heart would literally explode trying to do one set of a grown man's deadlifts

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  • VP in IB - Gen
Dec 26, 2020 - 9:32am

GoldenCinderblock

Potentially because they care more about cardiovascular health than impressing some random monkey with the striations on their delts?

your cardio bunny heart would literally explode trying to do one set of a grown man's deadlifts

I DL 3 plates moron. I literally talk about MMA fighters doing compound lifts like deadlifts below - you are probably really crap at your job if you can't put two and two together.  Stick to simple NOI models. 

  • Intern in IB - Gen
Dec 23, 2020 - 5:58am

Don't know why you got MSd, this is completely true. Middle-aged/older men don't care about how they look to some 22 year-old analyst. They already have a wife and family, so it's all about not getting fat for them

Dec 23, 2020 - 12:35pm

I wouldn't necessarily say it's easier vs their goals. I hate cardio and love lifting, and I'm definitely not the only one to say that. Obviously, cardio is important too, but I definitely wouldn't say it's easier per se.

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  • Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
Dec 23, 2020 - 9:55pm

Lol is that supposed to be hard? When I actually had time and wanted to cut I would run such weekly distances and I'm not remotely close to being a runner. Running once again if you read my argument and other people's arguments, is an easier physical activity to do for someone in the industry especially older.

Dec 24, 2020 - 7:19pm

It's easier to run than lift.

Bruh - 10hrs of lifting in a week is way easier than 10hrs of running in a week.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Dec 26, 2020 - 7:51am

Isaiah_53_5

It's easier to run than lift.

Bruh - 10hrs of lifting in a week is way easier than 10hrs of running in a week.

LOL NO

maybe doing potato chip curls or pilates or whatever you call lifting

being a 130 lb man and propelling yourself across a hard, flat surface for hours on end for no apparent reason is really easy to get proficient at. people hold conversations and eat bananas while they do it. nobody eats bananas while squatting.

heister:

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Dec 23, 2020 - 4:30am

My older colleagues keep telling me they have joint pain and other issues when lifting heavy weights. apparently these things start over 40-ish. risk of injury is also higher when lifting substantial amount of weight (unless you have perfect form and are careful). There are benefits to lift weights in addition to cardio though, regardless of age or gender.
It is the same situation in our firm or partner firms, the older the guy, the more cardio. None of the guys "above 40" look muscular/big. It could be that they no longer want to look that way, they don't have to prove anything to anyone at this age or it simply hurts too much. Who knows.

Testosterone levels are also much lower after 40. maybe it is generally difficult to look buff when you get older?

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Dec 23, 2020 - 6:41am

Most of these people probably don't have the time to learn perfect form either - not only do you need to have the form down, you also need to do accessory work to keep everything functioning probably i.e., foam rolling, stretching/dynamic mobility.  Sitting down in a chair all day like many of these people do is the worst thing you can do to promote proper bio mechanics. 

As a personal antidote, in high school/college and even somewhat now, I cared much more about lifting weights than cardio - however, my focus on cardio lately has started to increase as I realize how much better I feel throwing in a 20min walk/run prior to lifting weights to "lube" my joints and get the blood flowing after sitting down all day and also throwing in a quick 4-8min Tabatta HIIT session at the end of my workout (or on an "off day" for weight lifting, I do ~20min of HIIT).  

Also I don't think its a coincidence that many top performers that rise the ranks do cardio - it literally makes you smarter and gives you more energy. Basically everyone I can think of at the top/near the top at my bank runs.

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Dec 23, 2020 - 6:50am

I have also been told that they simply don't have time for any more workouts. From M-F they are sitting, talking, doing office stuff. plus the commute twice a day. On weekends they need to take care of their wives & children. Honestly wouldn't know where to make time either. they barely have time for themselves.

With limited time left to live and the work load of running a house, managing the family, your job, keeping the marriage alive and wanting to spend time with your kids... I can see how goals are different when you get older.

Getting big and keeping in shape in that age group is simply not going to happen easily. Especially diet. You would have to pick between looking good or cooking the kids favorite meal or going to the movies with them. Most people will pick their kids, understandably.

edit: this has a huge impact on building mass:

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  • Principal in HF - EquityHedge
Dec 24, 2020 - 2:36pm

Anonymous Monkey

Y Are All the Women I Work With Thots

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  • VP in IB - Cov
Dec 23, 2020 - 11:46am

If you're indeed in IB, why is this a question? We don't have time so we will do whatever keeps us thin and healthy enough. We don't have the luxury of spending hours in the gym on a regular schedule to get swole. If that's what you want to do, go work in literally any other job

Dec 23, 2020 - 12:05pm

I think it's a class thing. Thinness is associated with the upper class, and being jacked is more lower class. That's not to say that having muscle mass is objectively worse (it isn't) or that most people think about class-signalling behavior consciously. 

Dec 23, 2020 - 10:13pm

xiaochengopalbatista

This is retarded. Being large, tall, athletic and playing rugby/lacrosse/football is quintessentially upper class New England. This is like some new age tech yuppie type of upper class maybe 

Uh No. EVERYBODY plays football. Middle class & Upper middle class people play lax. No one plays rugby in the US.

Dec 23, 2020 - 12:06pm

Most older  guys realize that cardio is important for your health and you can do bodyweight exercises to add some muscle.

  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Dec 23, 2020 - 4:38pm

I mean I've seen it in my own workout routines. Weight lifting just takes more time than going on a 20 minutes 5k run. If you want to properly do a weight lifting session you need to, at a minimum, spend an hour or so. I used to lift a lot in college but after hitting the desk you just don't have that much time. It's just that simple. 

Dec 23, 2020 - 10:11pm

randallxphillis

yalls would look much better if u got muscular i dont get it

You all would sound much more intelligent if you used proper grammar.

In all seriousness, I'm a cardio guy so I'll explain: If you train right, cardio is actually amazing. Couple reasons.

1) If you train and eat right, you can get shredded: Mixing in long steady runs/bikes, high intensity intervals, and tempo runs/bikes actually uses a lot of leg and core muscles. If you eat right, you lose all body fat and build lean muscles that gives you an awesome shredded look. Think Michael Phelps or Usain Bolt.

2) You get to explore places when you run/bike: If you're putting in some serious mileage you actually get to explore different places a lot. Pretty fun tbh.

3) You can get high as f***: Have you heard of runner's high? As someone who runs 40+ miles a week, I get runner's high 3~4 times a week. It's fucking amazing. Most people will feel it somewhere btw 30~60 minutes of continuous medium to high intensity cardio sessions. Btw, the substance you get high on is called endorphin, one of the strongest drugs known to mankind. Also happens so that your body produces it naturally.

Dec 24, 2020 - 8:32am

1. cardio alone does not get you shredded (especially distance running). michael phelps and Usain bolt mix weightlifting in with their training which is why they have slightly muscular appearances. you need to train for hypertrophy, and distance running does not do this beyond the slight 'noob' gains you get when you're a novice

2. cant really argue with this, my walk to the gym is extremely nice tho

3. weightlifting also has this effect

Dec 24, 2020 - 2:21pm

randallxphillis

1. cardio alone does not get you shredded 

That's a myth. That's why mixing in 2-3 high intensity interval training runs are important. Those HIITS have a similar effect as doing lots of core and lowe body weights. Proof? I've been running 40+miles a week for the last 4 months and I've put on more muscle mass than when I started. I don't even lift and I am the most defined I've ever been.

2. cant really argue with this, my walk to the gym is extremely nice tho

3. weightlifting also has this effect

I think you're  confusing adrenaline rush with endorphin highs.

Dec 24, 2020 - 11:59am

Milton Friedchickenman

3) You can get high as f***: Have you heard of runner's high? As someone who runs 40+ miles a week, I get runner's high 3~4 times a week

Running is very good for cardio and my dad has been a runner for decades.  Some people have to be careful with running because the constant pounding on a pavement may eventually cause back or knee problems.

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  • VP in IB - Gen
Dec 24, 2020 - 12:59pm

Milton Friedchickenman

randallxphillis

yalls would look much better if u got muscular i dont get it

You all would sound much more intelligent if you used proper grammar.

In all seriousness, I'm a cardio guy so I'll explain: If you train right, cardio is actually amazing. Couple reasons.

1) If you train and eat right, you can get shredded: Mixing in long steady runs/bikes, high intensity intervals, and tempo runs/bikes actually uses a lot of leg and core muscles. If you eat right, you lose all body fat and build lean muscles that gives you an awesome shredded look. Think Michael Phelps or Usain Bolt.

2) You get to explore places when you run/bike: If you're putting in some serious mileage you actually get to explore different places a lot. Pretty fun tbh.

3) You can get high as f***: Have you heard of runner's high? As someone who runs 40+ miles a week, I get runner's high 3~4 times a week. It's fucking amazing. Most people will feel it somewhere btw 30~60 minutes of continuous medium to high intensity cardio sessions. Btw, the substance you get high on is called endorphin, one of the strongest drugs known to mankind. Also happens so that your body produces it naturally.

I'm not sure if you are serious, but you are definitely not getting a Michael Phelps or Usain Bolt type build without lifting weights unless you are some kind of genetic freak.

Dec 24, 2020 - 1:50pm

It's the low body fat that makes them look muscular not actually being muscular/bulked up. This is why MMA fighters/boxers look so jacked on TV despite them practically not having alot of lean muscle. It's the crevices in the muscles and vascularity that make them look bigger than they are. 

Dec 24, 2020 - 2:31pm

I'm dead serious.

It's actually a myth that "just doing cardio won't build muscles". Certainly it's easier to build muscle if you mix in weight training. But you don't need to. 

Long steady cardio sessions burn a ton of fat. High intensity intervals trainings (strides, hill sprints, timed sprints, etc...) actually have similar affects as doing core and lower leg workouts. If you dona good amount of both, you can actually lose a lot of fat while actually building muscle. Of course, eating right is the key.

I can say this for certain because I've built on more muscle mass without weightlifting since Covid.

In fact, first 4 months of Covid, I was running 20-30 miles a week. But I was just doing long steady runs. I lost ton of weight both body fat and muscle. I alsonwasnt eating right. Then I learned about HIITs and I started mixing them in to my runs.

Last 4 months, I've been running 40+ miles/week with 2-3 HIIT workouts a week (no weights and eating right). Results? I've actually put on more muscle mass than I lost while keeping my body fat close to 0% as possible. I've never looked this good in my life. I'm very lean but my body looks defined AF.

Dec 26, 2020 - 8:01am

Milton Friedchickenman

randallxphillis

yalls would look much better if u got muscular i dont get it

You all would sound much more intelligent if you used proper grammar.

In all seriousness, I'm a cardio guy so I'll explain: If you train right, cardio is actually amazing. Couple reasons.

1) If you train and eat right, you can get shredded: Mixing in long steady runs/bikes, high intensity intervals, and tempo runs/bikes actually uses a lot of leg and core muscles. If you eat right, you lose all body fat and build lean muscles that gives you an awesome shredded look. Think Michael Phelps or Usain Bolt.

2) You get to explore places when you run/bike: If you're putting in some serious mileage you actually get to explore different places a lot. Pretty fun tbh.

3) You can get high as f***: Have you heard of runner's high? As someone who runs 40+ miles a week, I get runner's high 3~4 times a week. It's fucking amazing. Most people will feel it somewhere btw 30~60 minutes of continuous medium to high intensity cardio sessions. Btw, the substance you get high on is called endorphin, one of the strongest drugs known to mankind. Also happens so that your body produces it naturally.

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I'm not sure if you are serious, but you are definitely not getting a Michael Phelps or Usain Bolt type build without lifting weights unless you are some kind of genetic freak.

Those guys are sprinters. That's way more demanding than jogging.

heister:

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Dec 23, 2020 - 10:48pm

Cus they graduated from the stage of wearing panties for shirts, lifting 7x a week to impress others and are focused on health and functionality instead. 90% of all these overbulked dudes in the gym get tired after a few flight of stairs and will turn into saggy flabs as they age since the bulk/mass is not sustainable. 

Oh yeah, another benefit of being a "cardio bunny" is we can eat just about whatever we want, drink what we want, without giving a shit  ;)

  • VP in IB - Gen
Dec 25, 2020 - 11:39am

Corporate America promotes effeminate men and biological females to the top

You're a principal, right?  a lot of self- loathing for Christmas!

  • Principal in HF - EquityHedge
Dec 26, 2020 - 12:56pm

Corporate America promotes effeminate men and biological females to the top

You're a principal, right?  a lot of self- loathing for Christmas!

lol nah, my position title is not principal.

We don't really have an IB type of hierarchy at my HF, which like many things in life, must be difficult for you to understand since you're in IB.

Dec 24, 2020 - 6:34pm

I agree that running and biking is simply easier than learning how to lift properly.

To lift you need to understand:

1) how to build and adjust the training program based on your body type and goals

2) what exercises you should and shouldn't do. and there is a constant debate even between professionals about what exercises are more effective and less likely to cause injuries

3) proper technique for each exercise. ideally you need a coach who can train you that, because you may think that you're doing an exercise right but in reality you may be doing it wrong which can lead to an injury eventually

4) you need to learn about nutrition and supplements and decide what you need. ideally you want an advice of a coach here as well.

So you need all that to lift properly and become muscular. On the other side, you can just bike or run, which is what people learn how to do at the age of ~5yo.

Dec 27, 2020 - 12:06pm

Kevin25

I agree that running and biking is simply easier than learning how to lift properly.

On the other side, you can just bike or run, which is what people learn how to do at the age of ~5yo.

No - there are professional runners, cyclists, and triathletes. Proper form and technique comes with thousands of hours of training. You are making yourself sound like a fool.

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Dec 27, 2020 - 12:25pm

I'm not talking about form, I'm talking about technique only. Do you really think that people cannot properly run on a treadmill or elliptical or use a bike machine without a professional support? And I would argue that you cannot properly lift without a professional support: the technique for deadlifting, squats, even bench press is not obvious, and if you don't do it properly you will most likely injure yourself eventually.

P.S. I've been lifting since 14yo and have friends in professional bodybuilding.

Dec 26, 2020 - 8:02am

omg lol this thread is too funny almost every post is a joke

heister:

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Dec 26, 2020 - 9:27am

GoldenCinderblock

omg lol this thread is too funny almost every post is a joke

It is a running versus a lifting competition and they are done mostly for different reasons.  I am going to try a weighted jump rope.

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