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Houston_Oil_Drum's picture
Houston_Oil_Drum
     
 
(Monkey, 31
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 12:14am
Screw him, man.

Throughout the past few years I've noticed that some of my closest relationships have deteriorated as it became more clear that I was on a fast-track in Finance while others were languishing with bad grades and not-so-prestigious (or non-existent) internships.

I knew something to this effect would occur - but not as dramatically as I predicted. I've approached this rather objectively and tried to find solutions (modesty to the extreme) ... but who else has experienced this? What was the outcome? Did you find more healthy relationships post-undergrad - or do you regret not opening up more/adapting to other people's personalities?

This is kind of touchy/feely...but I would bet a lot of people on this forum have gone through this.

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econ_guru wrote: Throughout

JDawg
     
 
(Gorilla, 518
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 12:36am
econ_guru:

Throughout the past few years I've noticed that some of my closest relationships have deteriorated as it became more clear that I was on a fast-track in Finance while others were languishing with bad grades and not-so-prestigious (or non-existent) internships.

So your friendships deteriorated because their grades weren't as good and their internships weren't as prestigious as yours?

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IlliniProgrammer's picture

Find something far away from

IlliniProgrammer
      ST
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,233
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 12:38am

Find something far away from finance that you can do every weekend where nobody cares who you are or what you do during the week. And then make sure you don't make an issue of it.

Work hard, play hard.

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sayandarula's picture

.... i want to hit you.

sayandarula
      O
 
 
(King Kong, 1,812
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 12:39am

....

i want to hit you.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

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jack.daniels's picture

as ridiculous as this post

jack.daniels
     
 
(Senior Monkey, 85
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 12:40am

as ridiculous as this post sounds, i can relate. i've seen it happen to others, and i've felt it happen to me. its all relative though, right? make friends with people better than you.
and your true true friends are never going to leave. the petty jealous ones that do aren't they type of people you should be surrounding yourself with anyway

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darknight12's picture

I'm assuming you're currently

darknight12
     
 
(Senior Baboon, 186
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 12:41am

I'm assuming you're currently an undergrad, right? It completely depends on the personality of your friends to begin with and which school you're at. I'm at a target and yet my friendships didn't deteriorate at all. What exactly do you mean by "fast track" in finance? Do you mean that you didn't have enough time to go out and instead were studying all the time? If this is the case, I would actually advise slowing down a little bit and having some fun in college, because everyone should easily be able to have a little bit of time to hang out with friends and develop relationships in college, regardless of the courseload. As an aside, how exactly do internships (assuming they're during the summer) affect your ability to maintain friends?

There's a lot of uncertainty in my knowledge of what's going on but initially it sounds like you're either losing friends because you're not spending enough time with them, and you could do that if you made some time for it, or you're losing friends because they're just not the kinds of people who can thrive around those who do well in school, in which case, I would seek to cultivate new relationships based on what activities you're involved in.

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IlliniProgrammer's picture

sayandarula wrote: .... i

IlliniProgrammer
      ST
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,233
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 12:52am
sayandarula:

....

i want to hit you.

Up until two months ago, I would have responded the same way. Now I want to let him know that it's ok and he's not alone.

OP needs a group of friends where the labels are irrelevant. Skateboarding and doing tricks is all about skill. Hang Gliding is all about finding that thermal. Kitesurfing is all about X. 19th century American Art is all about Y. Labels don't matter. X is what matters. And stories about X are how you share experiences and make friends.

Still don't have everything figured out. But that part helps.

Calling it jealousy isn't helpful. After all, it's people you really respect and like that have trouble relating to you, right? Life is better when experience and wisdom and been there done that give us more respect for others.

Work hard, play hard.

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Houston_Oil_Drum's picture

Yes, undergrad, semi-target.

Houston_Oil_Drum
     
 
(Monkey, 31
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 12:59am

Yes, undergrad, semi-target. Thanks for the replies...to those of you who are aggravated by it, the purpose of the post was to elicit your experiences...I mean, it's a simple dilemma regarding the balance between social life and career...and the surprising repercussions from achieving a little more than those around you (I mean comon, this is WSO)

I think this industry attracts a specific personality type more-so than any other area of work...and it's somewhat abnormal perks, pay and glamour can cause envy. If that seems ridiculous, just look at the hatred towards Wall Street in this country. At the end of the day, I'm just a little taken aback by the kind of biological-threatened response from people I've grown up with... and I'm curious how people have fared with this.

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jec's picture

Most of my friends are not

jec
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 442
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 1:05am

Most of my friends are not into the whole finance thing and I think that helps a lot.

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econ_guru wrote: Yes,

darknight12
     
 
(Senior Baboon, 186
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 1:06am
econ_guru:

Yes, undergrad, semi-target. Thanks for the replies...to those of you who are aggravated by it, the purpose of the post was to elicit your experiences...I mean, it's a simple dilemma regarding the balance between social life and career...and the surprising repercussions from achieving a little more than those around you (I mean comon, this is WSO)

I think this industry attracts a specific personality type more-so than any other area of work...and it's somewhat abnormal perks, pay and glamour can cause envy. If that seems ridiculous, just look at the hatred towards Wall Street in this country. At the end of the day, I'm just a little taken aback by the kind of biological-threatened response from people I've grown up with... and I'm curious how people have fared with this.

This kind of thing was common when I was younger but not so much now. It sounds like you need to not talk as much about work/class around your friends and spend more time going out with them and talking about other things. Either that, or you really are hanging around people who really are in a much much lower league than you, which would cause that kind of jealous reaction as this age.

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Genetic's picture

I can definitely relate to

Genetic
     
 
(Senior Baboon, 185
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 1:11am

I can definitely relate to the OP. It seems like all I think about is money, getting the next better job/internship, networking etc. On a good night I get home at 7:30-8. Not much time for my friends. The disconnect is becoming larger than ever b/c all they wanna do is drink and sit around while i've got to be constantly moving. It's like I never stop thinking and working, whether it be work work or personal life work (cleaning, laundry, etc).. A lot of people think I'm an asshole (which may be true sometimes) but I think it's mostly due to irritability from lack of sleep and the fact that b/c I work so much, I can't stand people now that just sit around and waste their life away...which just so happens to encompass most of my friends. Kinda sucks sometimes but I have an attractive gf who I really like and besides the lack of sleep, I actually enjoy investment banking. i'm odd, i know. Well besides the pointless edit overhauls that partners will give me but that's a completely different topic (happened today....)

Also, I'd like to put it out there... my roommate (very close friend) and I have noticed how some people just hate me really for no good reason (I swear, it's true) and we came to the conclusion that it's caused by jealousy "b/c i've got my shit together" (his words). I do think I have a great life and can be overconfident at times but I consciously try to remain humble... That's really the only answer I've got b/c I'm mostly a laid back decent guy.

Anyone else experience this?

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IlliniProgrammer's picture

Quote: I think this industry

IlliniProgrammer
      ST
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,233
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 1:08am

I think this industry attracts a specific personality type more-so than any other area of work...and it's somewhat abnormal perks, pay and glamour can cause envy. If that seems ridiculous, just look at the hatred towards Wall Street in this country. At the end of the day, I'm just a little taken aback by the kind of biological-threatened response from people I've grown up with... and I'm curious how people have fared with this.

That's not what attracted me to this industry.

Being the guy who drives around a rusty honda who gets to work in this industry and gets to say he is heading to school X is hilarious, but the way to keep friends is to be willing to genuinely view yourself as being at their level. If you like prestige, you're always going to have trouble with friendships. THANK GOD, though, that that's not what life is about. And thank god that it's a lot of fun for you and everyone else if you have the ability to pop those folks living in the prestige bubble. "Oh? You work at goldman sacks? No kidding, me too! Oh, it's spelled with an 'h'? I had no idea, I'm not well versed in grammar!"

Accomplishing Z did not change you. You are still the same person you were when you made those friends. So stay that person, and if you can, find a way to get Z to rub off on them and make them better people. But if you can't, relationships and people are stronger and more important than accomplishments.

Work hard, play hard.

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IlliniProgrammer

seedy underbelly
      IB
 
(King Kong, 1,090
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 1:11am
IlliniProgrammer:
sayandarula:

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i want to hit you.

Up until two months ago, I would have responded the same way. Now I want to let him know that it's ok and he's not alone.

OP needs a group of friends where the labels are irrelevant. Skateboarding and doing tricks is all about skill. Hang Gliding is all about finding that thermal. Kitesurfing is all about X. 19th century American Art is all about Y. Labels don't matter. X is what matters. And stories about X are how you share experiences and make friends.

Still don't have everything figured out. But that part helps.

Calling it jealousy isn't helpful. After all, it's people you really respect and like that have trouble relating to you, right? Life is better when experience and wisdom and been there done that give us more respect for others.

OMFG hang gliding in every damn thread

i need to do this asap..

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IlliniProgrammer's picture

Genetic wrote: I can

IlliniProgrammer
      ST
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,233
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 1:14am
Genetic:

I can definitely relate to the OP. It seems like all I think about is money, getting the next better job/internship, networking etc. On a good night I get home at 7:30-8. Not much time for my friends. The disconnect is becoming larger than ever b/c all they wanna do is drink and sit around while i've got to be constantly moving. It's like I never stop thinking and working, whether it be work work or personal life work (cleaning, laundry, etc).. A lot of people think I'm an asshole (which may be true sometimes) but I think it's mostly due to irritability from lack of sleep and the fact that b/c I work so much, I can't stand people now that just sit around and waste their life away...which just so happens to encompass most of my friends. Kinda sucks sometimes but I have a attractive gf who I really like and besides the lack of sleep, I actually enjoy investment banking. i'm odd, i know.

Also, I'd like to put it out there... my roommate (very close friend) and I have noticed how some people just hate me really for no good reason (I swear, it's true) and we came to the conclusion that it's caused by jealousy "b/c i've got my shit together" (his words). I do think I have a great life and can be overconfident at times but I consciously try to remain humble... That's really the only answer I've got b/c I'm mostly a laid back decent guy.

Anyone else experience this?

I like finance because I am obsessed with accruals regardless of whether life is getting better or worse.

It gets more depressing when you hit your late 20s. You type, and your wrists hurt. You swim the 100 freestyle, and realize you can no longer do it in 55 seconds no matter how hard you try. You know that in 10 years, that 56 second time now will turn into 59 seconds. In 20, it will be 1:11 and will keep increasing quadratically.

You learn to start living in the moment and respecting and caring about the genuine friends you have, regardless of where they happen to be in life.

And probably by the time you hit 70, you are probably desperate for friends to talk to. Hence why you become one of those weird seniors who says hi to random late-20-somethings out of the blue on streetcorners hoping to strike up a conversation.

Work hard, play hard.

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beancounter's picture

Not that I am in your

beancounter
      O
 
(Monkey, 44
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 1:15am

Not that I am in your situation, but I think you already hit it perfectly - modesty is the key. It sounds bad but play your success down in front of people you care about because they envy you and are trying to find a way to justify their situation. On the other hand, it is always better to associate with people who are better than you.

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Genetic's picture

IlliniProgrammer

Genetic
     
 
(Senior Baboon, 185
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 1:27am
IlliniProgrammer:

I think this industry attracts a specific personality type more-so than any other area of work...and it's somewhat abnormal perks, pay and glamour can cause envy. If that seems ridiculous, just look at the hatred towards Wall Street in this country. At the end of the day, I'm just a little taken aback by the kind of biological-threatened response from people I've grown up with... and I'm curious how people have fared with this.

That's not what attracted me to this industry.

Being the guy who drives around a rusty honda who gets to work in this industry and gets to say he is heading to school X is hilarious, but the way to keep friends is to be willing to genuinely view yourself as being at their level. If you like prestige, you're always going to have trouble with friendships. THANK GOD, though, that that's not what life is about. And thank god that it's a lot of fun for you and everyone else if you have the ability to pop those folks living in the prestige bubble. "Oh? You work at goldman sacks? No kidding, me too! Oh, it's spelled with an 'h'? I had no idea, I'm not well versed in grammar!"

Accomplishing Z did not change you. You are still the same person you were when you made those friends. So stay that person, and if you can, find a way to get Z to rub off on them and make them better people. But if you can't, relationships and people are stronger and more important than accomplishments.

I respectfully disagree. Besides your family and 5-10 closest friends, the only thing that does matter in life is accomplishments, your life's work if you will. No matter what they do or how much I dislike them, people who work hard and have integrity will always have my respect. Likewise, I don't give a damn if people hate me, as long as they respect me. Also, I've learned the more you put your happiness into others, the less likely you are to be happy in the end b/c people will always disappoint you. Loyalty is almost extinct now so I say put your faith in your religion (if that suits you) and yourself and work as hard as you can to reach your goals whatever they may be and if ever given the opportunity or platform, change the world for the better. That's what matters imo

and save the diatribe about attempting to change the world while also working in IB. I've heard it before. Sadly, in this country, one must sell out before he or she can ever change things for the better which is why it rarely happens

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seedy underbelly wrote: OMFG

IlliniProgrammer
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(Almost Human, 9,233
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 1:25am
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Genetic wrote: I respectfully

IlliniProgrammer
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(Almost Human, 9,233
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 1:30am

Work hard, play hard.

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beancounter wrote: Not that I

IlliniProgrammer
      ST
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,233
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 1:48am

Work hard, play hard.

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ivoteforthatguy's picture

there is something wrong with

ivoteforthatguy
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(Neanderthal, 2,210
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 2:04am
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I Got This's picture

.

I Got This
     
 
(Monkey, 31
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 2:45am
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IlliniProgrammer

TDSWIM
     
 
(Orangutan, 314
 
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SaucyBacon85's picture

My friends and I are a unit

SaucyBacon85
      CO
 
(Senior Baboon, 236
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 3:20am

__________

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IlliniProgrammer

ivoteforthatguy
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(Neanderthal, 2,210
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 4:27am
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as much as it is nice to

twobitpirate
      IB
 
(Senior Chimp, 21
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 6:30am
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Just don't talk about work if

couchy
     
 
(King Kong, 1,365
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 7:19am
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Human's picture

interesting.

Human
      PE
 
 
(King Kong, 1,891
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 8:16am

"I am the hero of the story. I don't need to be saved."

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SaucyBacon85 wrote: My

Flake
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(Neanderthal, 3,586
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 8:38am

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

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IlliniProgrammer

HFFBALLfan123
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(King Kong, 1,370
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 10:04am
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econ_guru wrote: Yes,

Jerome Marrow
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(Gorilla, 737
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 10:15am
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Stringer Bell's picture

Troll.

Stringer Bell
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(King Kong, 1,679
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 10:53am
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BlackHat's picture

Didn't read all the comments,

BlackHat
      HF
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,948
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 12:00pm

I hate victims who respect their executioners

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CaliforniaAnalyst's picture

i only tell ppl i work in car

CaliforniaAnalyst
      ST
 
(Gorilla, 656
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 12:06pm
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TonyPerkis's picture

/\ you better be getting laid

TonyPerkis
      AM
 
(King Kong, 1,575
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 12:10pm

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

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Dsamps83's picture

This is common among all

Dsamps83
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(Chimp, 6
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 12:31pm
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Roamer's picture

No time for the comment so I

Roamer
     
 
(Senior Chimp, 19
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 1:00pm
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losttraveler's picture

Problem is the people you

losttraveler
     
 
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karl_pilkington's picture

I think about it this way:

karl_pilkington
      CO
 
(Senior Monkey, 72
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 6:05pm
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The only relationships you

JCKeenz
     
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 8:23pm
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Have no friends not equal to

FlakieBear
     
 
(Gorilla, 502
 
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 on 3/28/12 at 10:48pm

Power and Money do not change men; they only unmask them

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Houston_Oil_Drum's picture

All of your feedback has been

Houston_Oil_Drum
     
 
(Monkey, 31
 
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 on 3/29/12 at 1:40am
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Good post OP and very good

jpmoranmonkeysachs
     
 
(Baboon, 149
 
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 on 3/29/12 at 1:43am
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TDSWIM

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 on 3/29/12 at 2:17am
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Boreed's picture

.

Boreed
      PE
 
(Senior Gorilla, 952
 
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 on 4/17/12 at 6:00am

WSO User Guidelines
WSO Interview Guides

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Jerome Marrow's picture

I'm going to take a wild

Jerome Marrow
      O
 
(Gorilla, 737
 
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 on 3/29/12 at 9:57am
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Jerome Marrow wrote: I'm

IlliniProgrammer
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(Almost Human, 9,233
 
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 on 3/29/12 at 10:58am

Work hard, play hard.

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CaliforniaAnalyst's picture

ip, um... is that your car?

CaliforniaAnalyst
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 on 3/29/12 at 11:21am
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Nah, success as a trader (or

Jerome Marrow
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 on 3/29/12 at 12:00pm
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CaliforniaAnalyst wrote: ip,

IlliniProgrammer
      ST
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,233
 
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 on 3/29/12 at 11:47am

Work hard, play hard.

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Jerome Marrow wrote: I was

IlliniProgrammer
      ST
 
 
(Almost Human, 9,233
 
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 on 3/29/12 at 12:07pm

Work hard, play hard.

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Do you guys honestly talk

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You should not access WallStreetOasis.com by any means other than through the interfaces we provide for use in accessing our services or use any automated means, including, without limitation, agents, robots, scripts, or spiders, to access, monitor, copy, or harvest data from any part of our sites, except those automated means that we have approved in advance and in writing.

The Company, in its sole discretion, reserves the right to remove any postings, or deny access by any individuals, for any reason or no reason.

If you see something that you feel is a violation of the these Terms and Conditions, please notify us by emailing wallstreetoasis at wallstreetoasis.com.

We reserve the right to change the Terms and Conditions at any time. Changes will be posted on the applicable web page.

Use of Material.

The Company authorizes you to view and download a single copy of the material on www.WallStreetOasis.com (the "Web Site") solely for your personal, noncommercial use. By using the Web Site you are giving the Company the sole right to use any and all content you generate or publish on the site for commercial, non-commercial or promotional purposes. This includes any and all forum posts, comments, blog posts or any other material you generate on the Web Site.

The contents of this Web Site, such as text, graphics, images, logos, button icons, software and other items (collectively, "Material"), are protected under both United States and foreign copyright, trademark and other laws. All Material is the property of the Company or its content suppliers or clients. The compilation (meaning the collection, arrangement and assembly) of all content on this Web Site is the exclusive property of the Company and protected by U.S. and international copyright laws. Unauthorized use of the Material may violate copyright, trademark, and other laws. You must retain all copyright, trademark, service-mark and other proprietary notices contained in the original Material on any copy you make of the Material. You may not sell or modify the Material or reproduce, display, publicly perform, distribute, or otherwise use the Material in any way for any public or commercial purpose. The use of the Material on any other web site or in a networked computer environment for any purpose is prohibited.

You shall not copy or adapt the HTML code that the Company creates to generate its pages. It is also protected by the Company?s copyright.

Acceptable Site Use.

General Rules: Users may not use the Web Site in order to transmit, distribute, store or destroy material (a) in violation of any applicable law or regulation, (b) in a manner that will infringe the copyright, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property rights of others or violate the privacy, publicity or other personal rights of others, or (c) that is defamatory, obscene, threatening, abusive or hateful.

Web Site Security Rules. Users are prohibited from violating or attempting to violate the security of the Web Site, including, without limitation, (a) accessing data not intended for such user or logging into a server or account which the user is not authorized to access, (b) attempting to probe, scan or test the vulnerability of a system or network or to breach security or authentication measures without proper authorization, (c) attempting to interfere with service to any user, host or network, including, without limitation, via means of submitting a virus to the Web Site, overloading, "flooding", "spamming", "mailbombing" or "crashing", (d) sending unsolicited e-mail, including promotions and/or advertising of products or services, or (e) forging any TCP/IP packet header or any part of the header information in any e-mail. Violations of system or network security may result in civil or criminal liability. The Company will investigate occurrences which may involve such violations and may involve, and cooperate with, law enforcement authorities in prosecuting users who are involved in such violations.

Specific Prohibited Uses.

The Company specifically prohibits any use of the Web Site, and all users agree not to use the Web Site, for any of the following:

  • Posting any incomplete, false or inaccurate biographical information or information which is not your own accurate resume
  • Using any device, software or routine to interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper working of this Web Site or any activity being conducted on this site.
  • Taking any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on this Web Site?s infrastructure.
  • If you have a password allowing access to a non-public area of this Web Site, disclosing to or sharing your password with any third parties or using your password for any unauthorized purpose.
  • Notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained herein, using or attempting to use any engine, software, tool, agent or other device or mechanism (including without limitation browsers, spiders, robots, avatars or intelligent agents) to navigate or search this Web Site other than the search engine and search agents available from the Company on this Web Site and other than generally available third party web browsers (e.g., Netscape Navigator, Microsoft Explorer).
  • Attempting to decipher, decompile, disassemble or reverse engineer any of the software comprising or in any way making up a part of the Web Site.
  • Aggregating, copying or duplicating in any manner any of the materials or information available from the Web Site.
  • Framing of or linking to any of the materials or information available from the Web Site.

User Information.

When you register for the Web Site, you will be asked to provide the Company with certain information including, without limitation, a valid email address (your "Information"). In addition to the terms and conditions that may be set forth in any privacy policy on this Web Site, you understand and agree that the Company may disclose to third parties, on an anonymous basis, certain aggregate information contained in your registration application. The Company reserves the right to offer third party services and products to you based on the preferences that you identify in your registration and at any time thereafter; such offers may be made by the Company or by third parties. Please see the Company's Privacy Policy below for further details regarding your Information.

Registration and Password.

You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your information and password. You shall be responsible for all uses of your registration, whether or not authorized by you. You agree to immediately notify the Company of any unauthorized use of your registration or password.

The Company's Liability.

As a condition to your use of this site, you release the Company (and our agents and employees) from claims, demands and damages (actual and consequential, direct and indirect) of every kind and nature, known and unknown, suspected and unsuspected, disclosed and undisclosed, arising out of or in any way connected with such disputes. If you are a California resident, you waive California Civil Code d1542, which says: "A general release does not extend to claims which the creditor does not know or suspect to exist in his favor at the time of executing the release, which if known by him must have materially affected his settlement with the debtor."

We are under no legal obligation to, and generally do not, control the information provided by other users which is made available through the Web Site. By its very nature, other people?s information may be offensive, harmful or inaccurate, and in some cases will be mislabeled or deceptively labeled. We expect that you will use caution and common sense when using this Web Site.

The Material may contain inaccuracies or typographical errors. The Company makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness, or timeliness of the Web Site or the Material. The use of the Web Site and the Material is at your own risk. Changes are periodically made to the Web Site and may be made at any time.

You acknowledge and agree that you are solely responsible for the content and accuracy of any resume or material contained therein placed by you on the Web Site and you agree to let any users that are identified as recruiters (designated in the sole discretion of the Company) to have access to your resume.

The Company is not to be considered to be an employer with respect to your use of the Web Site and the Company shall not be responsible for any employment decisions, for whatever reason made, made by any entity posting jobs on the Web Site.

THE COMPANY DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE WEB SITE WILL OPERATE ERROR-FREE OR THAT THE WEB SITE AND ITS SERVER ARE FREE OF COMPUTER VIRUSES OR OTHER HARMFUL MECHANISMS. IF YOUR USE OF THE WEB SITE OR THE MATERIAL RESULTS IN THE NEED FOR SERVICING OR REPLACING EQUIPMENT OR DATA, THE COMPANY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE COSTS.

THE WEB SITE AND MATERIAL ARE PROVIDED ON AN "AS IS" BASIS WITHOUT ANY WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND. THE COMPANY, TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. THE COMPANY MAKES NO WARRANTIES ABOUT THE ACCURACY, RELIABILITY, COMPLETENESS, OR TIMELINESS OF THE MATERIAL, SERVICES, SOFTWARE, TEXT, GRAPHICS, AND LINKS.

Disclaimer of Consequential Damages.

IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COMPANY, ITS SUPPLIERS, OR ANY THIRD PARTIES MENTIONED ON THE WEB SITE BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER (INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, INCIDENTAL AND CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, LOST PROFITS, OR DAMAGES RESULTING FROM LOST DATA OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) RESULTING FROM THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE WEB SITE AND THE MATERIAL, WHETHER BASED ON WARRANTY, CONTRACT, TORT, OR ANY OTHER LEGAL THEORY, AND WHETHER OR NOT THE COMPANY IS ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.

Links to Other Sites.

The Web Site may contain links to third party web sites. These links are provided solely as a convenience to you and not as an endorsement by the Company of the contents on such third-party Web sites. The Company is not responsible for the content of linked third-party sites and does not make any representations regarding the content or accuracy of materials on such third party Web sites. If you decide to access linked third party Web sites, you do so at your own risk.

No Resale or Unauthorized Commercial Use.

You agree not to resell or assign your rights or obligations under these Term of Use. You also agree not to make any unauthorized commercial use of the Web Site.

Limitation of Liability.

The aggregate liability for the Company to you for all claims arising from the use of the Materials is limited to $1.

Termination.

The Company reserves the right, at its sole discretion, to pursue all of its legal remedies, including but not limited to immediate termination of your registration with or ability to access the Web Site and/or any other service provided to you by the Company, upon any breach by you of these Terms and Conditions or if the Company is unable to verify or authenticate any information you submit to the Web Site registration with or ability to access the Web Site.

Indemnity.

You agree to defend, indemnify, and hold harmless the Company, its officers, directors, employees and agents, from and against any claims, actions or demands, including without limitation reasonable legal and accounting fees, alleging or resulting from your use of the Material or your breach of the terms of these Terms and Conditions. The Company shall provide notice to you promptly of any such claim, suit, or proceeding and shall assist you, at your expense, in defending any such claim, suit or proceeding.

General.

The Company makes no claims that the Materials may be lawfully viewed or downloaded outside of the United States. Access to the Materials may not be legal by certain persons or in certain countries. If you access the Web Site from outside of the United States, you do so at your own risk and are responsible for compliance with the laws of your jurisdiction. These Terms and conditions are governed by the internal substantive laws of the State of New York, without respect to its conflict of laws principles. Jurisdiction for any claims arising under this agreement shall lie exclusively with the state or federal courts within New York, New York. If any provision of these Terms and Conditions are found to be invalid by any court having competent jurisdiction, the invalidity of such provision shall not affect the validity of the remaining provisions of these Terms and Conditions, which shall remain in full force and effect. No waiver of any term of these Terms and Conditions shall be deemed a further or continuing waiver of such term or any other term. Except as expressly provided in additional terms of use for areas of the Web Site a particular "Legal Notice," or Software License or Material on particular Web pages, these Terms and Conditions constitute the entire agreement between you and the Company with respect to the use of Web Site. No changes to these Terms and Conditions shall be made except by a revised posting on this page.

PRIVACY POLICY

The Company recognizes that you are concerned about privacy. We are committed to preserving your privacy and safeguarding your sensitive information. The following statement describes the general information-gathering and usage practices of our sites.

Our staff, contractors, Internet service providers and others involved in this site follow this policy or similarly strict policies regarding your Information.

Disclosure

The Company is committed to fully disclosing our policies regarding the collection, use, maintenance, disclosure and security of personal information obtained from users of our site. The term "personal information" includes a name, address, email address, or any other information which could be used to contact you directly or to identify you personally.

Use and Disclosure Limitations

The Company only uses personal information about its Web site users for specific purposes. We do not share user information with third parties except when we have told users about the disclosures, when we have prior consent, or when required by law.

Use Policy: When the Company gathers personal information from users, we ask for permission first. We also disclose, at the time of collection, how the information will be used by us. Personal information is used for activities such as auto-completion of commonly-used forms and helping us contact you when you solicit information from us.

Disclosure Policy: We do not normally disclose personal information to anyone outside of the Company unless we have previously informed users about the disclosures. However, some data may be used from time to time by outside contractors, including auditors or consultants, to assist us in carrying out necessary financial or operational activities. These uses will be consistent with this privacy policy and all contractors using this potential personal information must agree to safeguard it, to use it only for the authorized purpose, and to return it or destroy it upon completion of the activity.

The Company might be required to disclose personal information in response to a valid legal process such as a subpoena, search warrant or court order.

Although unlikely, it is possible that we may have to make certain disclosures to ensure the security of our Web site, to protect its integrity, or to take precautions against potential liability. In any of these situations, we will take any reasonable steps to limit the scope of the data disclosed.

Web Logs: The Company maintains standard Web logs that record basic information about visitors to our Web site. These logs contain: * The Internet domain from which you came to our Web site. * Your IP address. An IP address is a series of numbers which uniquely identifies your connection to the Internet. Although it is possible in some instances, certain types of IP addresses may be used by interested persons to identify users but we do not attempt to identify users in this way. * The type of browser (e.g., Internet Explorer or Netscape) and operating system (e.g., Windows 98) you use. * The date and time you visited the site, and the pages you saw.

We use Web log information to design our Web site, identify popular features, and in similar ways. We do not try to identify individuals from Web logs or to link Web logs to other user information. However, if someone tries to damage our Web site or use it in an unauthorized or illegal way, we may share Web log information with law enforcement agencies. The Company may provide aggregate information such as the number of users who visit particular pages of the site, or the number of people who link to certain external sites from our site, to other parties.

Changes to Privacy Policy

The Company's features and services will change over time and our information-gathering practices and policies may also change.

While our philosophy of protecting user information from inappropriate uses and disclosures will not change, this policy will be updated occasionally to include any change that materially affects the collection, maintenance, use, or disclosure of personal information.

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