Stock Pitch - Visit Company in Person?

Guys,

I made it to the final round for a large Asset Management company (think Fidelity, Wellington, Putnam etc.) in Equity Research for a full time position. Interviews are on Wednesday. I need to do a stock pitch to two associates, for a half hour.

The company they gave me is an outdoor retail company, and there is a large store right next to me. In compiling this stock pitch, I was planning on visiting this retail store to get a better feel for the company.

My question is, what kind of questions can I ask the employees? What types of things should I look for when walking around the store?

Will the employees have sales data? Can they tell me how many people visit their store? Should I ask for a manager? I'm really not sure how to approach this. Has anyone done this before and got a lot out of it?

Is there anything else I could ask that would help me get a feel for the company's performance?

Thanks in advance

 
Best Response

Off the top of my head, employees at large retailers won't be so useful.

I was planning on visiting this retail store to get a better feel for the company.

I'm a big shopper at Banana Republic, some things I generally notice and think about at the store:

-Of the 3 stores I frequent in my geography, the clothing line between gender is split in the middle, generally same amount for men as there is for women. (Based on this, I'm assuming revenue generation is near 50/50, as pricing for women's dresses comes in line to men's mid/top line shirts). -There is not as much clearance for women as there is for men (women buy into new clothing lines at a faster rate than men?). -Off the previous observation, I receive many 40% off discounts near the end of each quarter, and at the beginning of Q2 (April/May), so I'm not sure if women receive the same (I'm assuming volume picks up but margin drops). -There are 3 floor sales associates during the weekend in the mid-sized stores, and 5 in the large store (~1.25x-1.5x square feet mid-to-large store size ratio). -Average height of females shoppers come around 5'8", average male around 5'10" (taller females shop rather than taller males, i.e. Future fabric cost? Height CAGR between gender over next decade? Etc..?). -Caucasian clientele make up a large portion of shoppers.

Maybe observations like these can spark some questioning on your end, I'm in the healthcare industry so maybe retail people on this forum can chime in??

 

I think one way you could earn some points in the interview is to go into the store and ask the sales clerk what some of the biggest selling items are right now or what particular outdoor sports are most popular. Maybe the guy tells you that they cannot keep enough caribiners on the shelves and that rock-climbing has been increasing in popularity. You could go back home and do some search on the the rock-climbing industry and use that data to support your thesis.

Most retail sales clerks and managers will not tell you much but I think the effort of actually going to the store and trying to glean information is enough to earn some points in the interview.

Also, I think Socrates makes some good observations but a lot of that information is readily available in filings and investor research reports (i.e. target demographics, seasonality, etc.).

 

The point of a stock pitch is to convince the other party that the stock is attractive and that they should buy it. You are looking too closely. Start at the macro level and determine if an outdoor retail store is situated well given the current and prospective economic environment. If it is, good, now move on to the industry level and figure out why this firm is situated to better than its competitors (or situated similarly, but priced more attractively, etc).

The employees can't really give you anything substantial, and if they did, you can't use it as it would be material non-public information.

I suggest you look through the companies press releases & MD&A to see what spin they are using to sell their stock, and if you agree with it, build a similar pitch, otherwise, change it (according to your macro & industry view).

 
krostown-washington:

The point of a stock pitch is to convince the other party that the stock is attractive and that they should buy it. You are looking too closely. Start at the macro level and determine if an outdoor retail store is situated well given the current and prospective economic environment. If it is, good, now move on to the industry level and figure out why this firm is situated to better than its competitors (or situated similarly, but priced more attractively, etc).

The employees can't really give you anything substantial, and if they did, you can't use it as it would be material non-public information.

I suggest you look through the companies press releases & MD&A to see what spin they are using to sell their stock, and if you agree with it, build a similar pitch, otherwise, change it (according to your macro & industry view).

I would ignore all of the above quote. My advice would be in-line with junkbondswap with the addition of checking if their fund actually owns it.

 

I agree with checking if their fund actually owns it.

Other than that, you're suggesting he builds his investment thesis on the 'profound' knowledge of a part-time, minimum wage, likely uneducated and uncaring sales clerk? Seems solid..

The point of ER is to explain why particular companies are the best ones, within an industry, to invest in (given macro/industry/firm strategies and in the context of their present valuations).

For example, say the sales clerk says they can't keep carabineers on the shelf, this information means nothing if the company's corporate strategy is to take advantage of the, in their view, aggressively growing paddleboard space. Sales clerks won't be privy to shifts in purchasing strategies until things hit the shelves, but this is a public company, so any investor can be.

Booming industries only matter if the company's strategy intends to target them. In ER, we have no means to change corporate strategy (except through what is essentially lobbying), unlike PE.

 

I'm guessing this is Cabela's (don't know of other big outdoor retail companies), make sure you comment on the real estate part of this, google cabela's excess real estate. much of their stores' value is in the land they own (many of the stores own several acres around the actual store), that is a potential value creator. what everyone else is saying is good, but just keep in mind that your data set this time of year will be different than if you did this in May, as outdoor sports change with the seasons. now, I'd expect hiking and rock climbing to be more en vogue than kayaking or skiing (though ski season is approaching). you could also call up some of the suppliers to that store (patagonia, kavu, arcteryx, etc.) and get their input.

let us know how it goes.

 

1) I don't know why he's supposed to explain why the company is the best one. It might happen to be, but the recommendation should be the product of the research and not the starting point. No the point is not to say why the stock is attractive. The point is be intellectually honest and understand how/when/why the stock will move. Given both your answers, it seems like you are predispositioned to read information positively.

2) I think showing the initiative to doing primary work / field research is highly attractive. We can agree to disagree on this. We also seem to disagree on if field research is worth conducting since I do think you can get material nonpublic answers legally some of the time.

 

To your first point, I agree the recommendation should be a product of the research. In terms of my 'predisposition', I process information relative to how it affects our model inputs. I took the positive side in my argument merely to be consistent

To your second point, I agree showing initiative is attractive. Though, I think field research is more worthwhile when talking to reservoir engineers/project managers/etc--not sales clerks. Although, I don't have experience covering a retail company.

Keep in mind, your original position was based off someone else's post

 

Thanks for the replies. They were very helpful, but unfortunately did not come in time.

The interview went really well. It was not terribly hard - there were no technical questions, but a lot of "case" type interview questions to see my thought process. One example which threw me for a loop was: "You have the choice to invest in a restaurant or an airline, which one is better and why?" I thought great, two shitty industries I would never invest in. Both are cyclical and tied to oil prices and make no money. I sided with the airline, reasoning that the barriers to entry were much higher and there was much less competition. Moreover, I think that collectively, airlines had more flexibility to raise ticket prices to absorb a rise in oil prices, which would affect every airline. For the restaurant industry, the price for pasta may go up, but if one restaurant raises their price to offset this, customers are gonna go down the street to the steakhouse - there are plenty of different alternatives. I wasn't completely 100% sure in my answer, so I asked her how she would walk through the question and she agreed with what I had said.

Regarding the pitch... After throwing together a DCF and comps analysis, I got 14% upside potential in the stock. I pitched the company as a buy based off of the attractive valuation, growth prospects (expansion into Canada and 13+ stores opening each year in the future - big giveaway) and projected industry growth.

The stock pitch was easy. The following questions were hard. After pitching the stock, I made a huge mistake. I mentioned that from a purely academic standpoint, this company is a buy, just by looking at the valuation and numbers. The valuation supports this, because of the 12% upside potential. However, I mentioned that I started to think macro economic factors in the future and was torn between changing my thesis to a sell. For the record, this company owns about 5% of the total shares outstanding and has been slowly unloading (albeit at a very sluggish pace) over the past year.

When I did my modeling, I did not forecast management's capex projections for 2014. Instead, I used my own projections, which were too low give the growth. Once I threw in management's projections, my upside potential suddenly dropped from 25% to 12%. I though to myself: is this company really worth the risk for 12% upside? It's a cyclical stock, the market is at all time highs, the fed is going to raise interest rates which will make it harder for consumers to borrow, therefore decreasing spending on big-ticket items. In the end, the outlook for disposable income, at least in my opinion, wasn't as rosy as I had hoped.

I told the interviewers this. I saw one write down "thought about pitching as a sell". Not good. I knew then and there that I was supposed to stick to my buy rating no matter what. I was being wishy-washy in my analysis which is NOT something I think they were looking for. I got great feedback, they didn't mention anything about my analysis being split between both buy and sell, but if I could do it over again I would certainly stick to one side no matter what doubts you have in your mind about the company.

 

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