Am I completely delusional for wanting to set up my own fund?
I’m in my early 20s and have about a year of formal experience in the commercial real estate acquisitions and development industry, arguably longer informal experience considering managing family RE affairs etc. My experience has been at a very reputable and sophisticated boutique firm where I’m lucky enough to consider the CEO and CIO mentors to me and can spend significant time one on one with them. These guys are backed by institutional capital.
I know this is the hedge fund category, stick with me…
For the past number of months I’ve been developing an investment strategy by myself in a specific real estate asset class that these guys have never invested in, but I’ve gotten good feedback from them. Since then I decided to raise a small fund ($10-50MM equity) to create a portfolio for my strategy. I was able to be introduced by some capital markets guys with ties to prominent family offices and connected with a couple of potential LP investors that have shown interest, despite my lack of personal track record in having run personal real estate funds of my own. I have about $2MM in GP equity that I can count on from the principals of the firm I’m tied to.
I thought real estate was what I was going to focus on for the rest of my life, but that’s until the company’s principals were met with a private equity opportunity that I’ve started to work on, and I became very interested in it. Having effectively opened a Pandora’s box in me, I became even more interested in activist short selling and a couple of other public equities trading strategies.
Now, I feel like my ambitions may be getting too out of hand. I want to go beyond the real estate and essentially create an investment platform where I’m actively investing in real estate assets for the purposes of a consistent cash flow as a hedge against more speculative investments like taking short positions and releasing inflammatory reports to the tune of Hindenburg and Muddy Waters. I absolutely love the depth of investigation and due diligence that goes into those short seller firms and it’s something I feel I’d be naturally very good at. I’m very good at digging things up and using a shrewd and technologically savvy approach that would likely be comparably thorough as what these other firms currently do.
Of course, raising $50MM is tough and that’s what I’m trying to take on in the real estate space, but raising $200MM+ to create what is basically a hedge fund is a whole other story. I would be poaching portfolio managers in other funds to bring in as partners in order to fuel and complement my strategies through their experience and acumen all to more effectively raise capital from investors. I have the recruiters, boutique prime brokerages, outsourced back office, and a great law firm with extensive experience in assisting emerging managers. I have read through lots of the laws and regulations surrounding hedge funds and feel competent enough to be able to explain the structure to a 5 year old.
My greatest concern is that I’m too young to be taken seriously, but if any of you have read Sam Zell’s (RIP) book, that never stopped him in his early days from getting what he wanted. In addition building a team with more seasoned players in the space would likely strengthen my thesis.
Am I being absolutely crazy for thinking about this or should I develop this further and see what happens? Constructive criticism is welcomed. Thanks for the read.
Didn't read it, but yes.
This is actually funny
I am just as inexperienced, but from what I have gathered through my personal experience and meetings, yes, you seem delusional. The Sam Zell’s argument is juvenile at best, I used to tell my father that I’d drop out of school because Steve Jobs and Bill Gates and a lot of other founders did, he laughed at me and said those times were different. Which, the more I grow up, the more I understand.
Sam Zell’s era was different, there was much less competition for LP money then than now, where everyone is out for blood. I would go even as far as to say that, your strategy and your returns, to an extent don’t even matter. Like my friends at Opalesque argue, most funds fail not because of their performance but because of their lackluster marketing. One good example is that Sculptor Capital, since 2007 has returned 5% annualized barely, while the management reaped $4.5 Billion in cash bonuses and $1.5 Billion in form of equity. It’s all about marketing and for that you need significant experience or ridiculous performance to make up for the lack of it.
The other thing is about poaching portfolio managers. I would suggest meeting some portfolio managers and ask them if they’ve ever been approached in order to be poached, their responses will fascinate you. The amount of people who try to poach PMs will boggle your mind, but the bigger question is, since a PM is someone well versed in risk management, why would they choose to take such a big gamble with their career? People did not leave for Steve Schwarzman, he was a big swinging dick and that was PE. Much more uncertainty in this space. The only people I see PMs leaving for, are those who have established themselves already, and on top of that have a good process where they also have better economics, this is how ExodusPoint and Cinctive and the likes got their PMs. Think on why they would leave for someone in their early 20s, who, from your own words are all over the place in terms of sticking to one disciplined approach.
The best advice you can get is not from IPs when it comes to establishing a fund. Rather, I’d suggest you talk to headhunters and IR guys and I can vouch they will be much more enlightening and constructive. You are not delusional per se, just naive.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful response. I really appreciate your insight. I get what you’re saying with reference to my Sam Zell analogy, I didn’t think it through so deeply before I wrote it but like I said on another post reply, his book opened my eyes to lots of things that I suppose give me a more grounded feeling with my arguments and thoughts. But of course, just because it worked for him 60 years ago or whatever doesn’t mean it’ll work for me today. I never considered the marketing component of these fund offerings, but I guess it’s a fair point. In a similar way I observe Grant Cardone, who is the least respected and the biggest schmuck in commercial real estate but he raises a shit ton of money from his senseless audience and charges exorbitant fees and promote structures because they’re not sophisticated investors and they don’t know any better. And this is a guy who likely will never get an institutional group to take him seriously.
I agree with your argument about poaching PMs. I knew it would definitely be the hardest part of all of this, especially considering the risk surrounding it. I just don’t know how else I’d go about building a competent team that can complement my strategies, but yes, I think speaking with recruiters and IR could be very insightful in that regard.
What do you think my best next move might be? I’m under the impression that I shouldn’t get sidetracked from the real estate fund especially considering the momentum I got from it, and revisit other investment opportunities outside of real estate once I have a track record to call my own in RE. What are your thoughts? Thanks so much again.
The time period has nothing to do with it. It’s basic statistical reasoning. If a billion people drop out of college what are the odds that all of them are absolute losers. You can do anything you want, just need to figure out some back of the napkin probabilities of success.
Those times were not different. Anyone that believes there is anything ‘different’ about time is a moron. It’s all the same.
It was different during Bill Gates’ eta? Was it different for Mark Zuckerberg? Brex founders?
Yeah bro I'm sure you gonna be able to poach tons of high-caliber portfolio managers with your $200mn fund
That's the problem with only studying winners. You get fooled by randomness and survivorship bias, you judge by outcome only and you neglect the risk they took on.
Say A and B take on a risky strategy. A succeeds. B fails and drops out of the sample. You study the winner and you conclude that the strategy leads to success. But is the strategy really wise, when you consider everyone who bore that risk? Winner takes all, history is written by the victors.
However, go for it. This is interesting. Haha
That’s a good point, I wasn’t expecting so many people to stick to my Sam Zell anecdote lol but of course, many people did what he did and got screwed and we’ve never heard of them. But reading his book made me realize that in some cases, you are the biggest obstacle to yourself without even knowing it.
I think you yourself already know how improbable your plan is. But from reading your post you seem like the type to go for it anyway. Just go try raising capital in the next 12m, and by the end of that you’d know whether to drop this thing or to keep going.
I do know it is improbable but I also don’t have anything to lose in my opinion. I can sustain a decent lifestyle as it already is due to the circumstances I’m in, but I want to build something meaningful. I don’t need a 9-5 to keep the lights on, which is why I’d rather figure out how to raise a fund that I can be a principal in and work deals for my financial gain rather than earn a salary plus mediocre bonus making the next guy rich and taking basically no credit for it besides the added point on my resume.
I do sometimes think there’s a risk to my reputation if I start trying to raise capital at my age and looking like an idiot that nobody trusts, but at the same time I feel like many investors won’t knock me for trying. I guess you never know though.
Go for it!
Usually when someone says they want to start a hedge fund, we dismiss him as clueless. But you said the magic words:
If you really have a professional investment fund already willing to give you multiple millions, then that's a *serious* vote of confidence that outweighs anyone here who calls you clueless. Take the money and start trading.
That said -- no offense, but I *do* think you're clueless based on the rest of your post (talking about how you'll be poaching managers from other funds, comparing yourself to Sam Zell, thinking you'll succeed because you're able to explain securities laws to a 5 year old, etc). But if you really do have have investors already, then that counts for far more than my advice, so you should ignore me.
He only has support for the RE bit
No offense taken and I appreciate the input. As said by someone else my backing is for the real estate fund which I feel very confident in executing. I can understand why I might sound clueless to you with regard to the other things that were mentioned, my research is all very recent when it comes to anything HF. I made this post as soon as I started having these thoughts to determine my next steps before I waste months maturing this concept only to be a monumental waste of time.
I haven’t discussed the other investment strategies to my RE backers, and honestly I feel like the most “realistic” way of going about this would be to start off RE exclusive and once I have a RE track record that I can call my own is when I can think about expanding into other areas and raising capital for those purposes.
And most importantly, don't mention these kind of ambitions to your RE backers, you'd scare them off.
Let me know if you actually have a path to raising $200mm plus and I’ll work for / with you. That sounds like a blast.
My RE strategy can likely scale to that level of equity through a very aggressive acquisition process. Given my network and the fact that my backers have institutional capital access at their fingertips with over $1B deployed in their careers, I think I could raise that at least within RE. Now from a hedge fund / short selling firm perspective, I’m not sure. I’m sure there would be some overlap in terms of the groups I could raise for RE, but I think to compensate for the fact that my experience is only in RE, I would have to have a team that has experience in public equity investment or at least private equity. I do have an idea that’s more realistic which would be to work alongside one of the short selling research firms and then use that as some sort of track record. If you’d be interested I can pm you with more details.
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Don’t listen to everyone here. They are risk averse people who are looking for the path of least resistance. While you sound like a gambler with a strong dose of confidence who is ready to go all in. Your strategy may or may not make sense, but it doesn’t matter. The most successful people that I know personally did things that made even less sense. But they were determined and had nothing going for them but their own drive, commitment and grit. No fancy degrees, and no family money. They were passionate and found UHNW individuals who believed in them, hired smart and experienced people. They then pushed themselves to their limits and went to the ends of the world, working 100+ hour weeks for years. But, they believed in themselves and motivated others to join in. And today they are worth 9-10 figures. I am not describing one person but 8 different people. Oh, and they are all under 40.
If you see this in yourself, this incredible drive and confidence, then go for it! You will either reach the moon or gain a world of experience trying. If however you just think that this is the more fun and rewarding option, but not something you are passionate and want more than anything else, then you should probably give yourself some time.
Thank you so much. I agree, the most successful people in the world are often not the smartest or most talented, they’re just the ones with the most determination and really the ones with the balls to push their vision forward. I’ve met and spoken quite a bit to a handful of very big real estate developers in Miami and a couple other areas and a couple of them were complete idiots. One of them has almost $1B in development pipeline and the guy isn’t even that bright at all. But he has balls, and the grit to make it happen, and that’s what got him to where he is today.
I feel quite confident in my RE strategy, the rest is stuff that I’ve thought of very recently and I came here to ask for opinions before I wasted any time maturing the concept further. With that said, once I feel like I know what the next step is, I’ll be confident in executing my vision to its fullest extent. Really I’m between A) keeping my head down and working under my mentor and not pursuing any projects of my own for the time being or B) only pursuing the real estate fund or C) try to raise for both RE and short selling public equities. I’m between B and C, as much as A would be the path of least resistance, working on deals where I have zero carried interest and that don’t necessarily align with my vision is just boring to me. When I started working for this guy that’s what I did, I only focused on his deals and I worked the craziest hours to benefit the advancement of his vision and he really appreciated my work ethic. Today, while I can pull that off, I feel less motivated to do so because I know there’s a world of opportunities out there and working under him as an employee isn’t going to benefit me in the long run the same way running my own fund would. I’ve seen what I’m capable of accomplishing when I’m passionate about something and I feel very confident in being able to pull this off at least within real estate. If I can bring someone in to complement my strategy in the markets I would feel just as confident going after LPs to fund the entire thing. Thank you for your input once again.
Finally a no bullshit response
I didn’t read but yes it’s unlikely to work. I had a friend that was bipolar (manic at the time) that attempted this and it didn’t work. He was starting a crypto fund and I wasn’t sure if it was the mania talking or that was just the state of crypto markets at the time.
fwiw, I used to want this too. But the reality is that young PMs almost always exist because of connections that come from an unusual and affluent upbringing. I’m sure there’s counterexamples but tbh those are just people that you just are missing info about.
The young PMs I know that are exceptions all work for multi-manager firms that are ruthless but meritocratic. This isn’t “your own” fund, but it’s similar because you have autonomy and are a PM. That’s your best bet.
I’m definitely not manic and I definitely have no interest in anything crypto lol, so I guess I have that going for me.
I do come from a fairly wealthy upbringing, and it has helped me secure the work opportunity I have with my mentor who is ultimately a family friend. I didn’t get hired by him as a favor or anything though. I have far wealthier friends with families worth billions and a recurring theme I see is how much my friends take for granted of their circumstances. Some of my friends’ parents are industry leaders and people who have done groundbreaking things in their fields and are great minds who some people would dream to be able to sit down and chat with them for 5 minutes, yet my friends have dinner with them and hang out and watch TV with them and don’t even soak in any of the wealth of knowledge or experience that their family has. They’d rather just be degenerates and play video games and pop bottles at nightclubs than to do something meaningful. I think that’s a waste. The ones doing something with their lives is amazing and it’s great to see them take advantage of the opportunities that they were given, and that’s the path I’m looking to take. With that said I’m purposely not using family money or any wealthy family friends that could be backers just because they can be. The people I have $2MM committed are people that believe in me and my strategy and feel I have the merit to invest their capital. Likewise the other investors I’m approaching are people who I have no personal relationship to because I want to raise equity from people that believe in me and my deals for what they are, not for who my parents are or for who I’m friends with. I’m not looking to use cheat codes or go the easy route by any means.
This isn’t easy to pull off, I agree, but I’d rather try this before I try to work PM at one of those types of funds you mentioned for example or do something else. I have enough belief, my strategy is matured, and all my investor meetings have gone great so far.
Ok then I totally take back what I said. It's not crazy at all and can totally work. Most people aren't in your position. If you're in this position you should count your blessings and pursue it if it's your interest. Most people assume starting a fund has to do with investing acumen, which is one factor and definitely not the most important. The most important thing is whether you can get money. The only way to do that when you are young is having a background like what you have.
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I wanted to respond to your comment but I can’t see it anymore, I recall you made some good points. RE wise I wouldn’t be raising institutional this early on though that’s for sure. Let me know if I could pick your brain over pm, I would really appreciate it.
Incredibly similar mindset to me, albeit I am focused on Private Equity instead. I admire your audacity greatly, I see much of myself in what you write. The only difference between delusion and vision is time. Time is the only judge; he who sees what has not yet come to pass is delusional until it does. Then he is a visionary. If you get this off the ground message me, I am interested in working in such a capacity. This will either go down in flames or soar to unbounded success. I like that. I want to come along for the ride, and I'd put my full capacity towards its success so long as I can learn as much as possible from such a tremendous opportunity. Message me.
PM incoming!
Let me give you the perspective of someone who actually started their own fund (HF though).
Now I don't want to make this seem like a big deal, but it's not small either. I paid $10k in my freshmen year of college to create an incubator hedge fund. I started with around $750k from family and friends. My fund's audited track record for the six years I was in school (2-year MA right after undergrad) was 63.2% CAGR with a 1.33:1 leverage. I still run the fund today, and I have around $15M now coming from the growth of the original $750k and investments from several HNWIs/family offices.
For a person like you, I'll be the "stupid" one and say do it. Many people laughed at me for "running a hedge fund" in college. I can certainly say they stopped laughing when my AUM was a good deal larger than what my college's investment club had (they started with WAY more than $750k). If you believe you have the skills, talent, knowledge, and ability to raise capital that are necessary, I'd say, why not? If people give me shits for saying this fine... but I never wanted to be a normal "finance bro," and I don't think you want to be one either. Don't let guys in Allbirds, Lulu ABC pants, and Patagonia vests with their Rolex subs and BMW 3 series tell you what you can and can't do.
Regarding the age question, use it to your advantage. The truth I've learned from my success (and the success of many others) is that Wall Street truly has always never been about "experience." If I do end up ever running a $1B+ fund (I hope), I'll be the rule, not the exception. If you look at ALL the great investors (Buffett, Munger, Soros, Icahn, Druckenmiller, Lynch, Simons, Griffin, Dalio, etc.), NONE of them had the traditional "WSO path" to be a good portfolio manager.
my man you have $15m, thats not a HF thats an interactive brokers trading account
And how much have you raised? Shitting on other people’s accomplishments for no good reason…
Thank you so much for your insight. Love to see someone who can put their money where their mouth is. I really appreciate your input. I’ll pm you with some questions about your experience if you don’t mind.
Yeah, sure! I'd be happy to answer any questions you have.
I think there needs to be a clarification when it comes to the types of funds people are commenting on, as there are sort of two sides when it comes to launches. There are the real institutional launches and then there are the "small town private practice" bootstrapped mini launches. People here aren't trying to be "wall street bros" about anything, they are giving their opinion based on years more of experience in a lot of cases, and based on what the landscape is currently like - but for the most part they are referring to the first category.
Unfortunately, when it comes to eventually raising real institutional capital down the road to run an institutional level fund, the chances are close to non-existent these days (even if the goal is to get there after 5 years). The people with the real check books want to see many things in place - and the truth is it will be impossible to get any of them unless the fund scales with rockstar level returns for like a decade straight, and even still it will probably be difficult.
You say it is not about experience, but that is the number 1 thing that allocators look at - you take super accomplished PMs who worked underneath the industry's biggest heavy hitters for 10 years and they still struggle in their launches to build traction (look at some of the ex-Soros launches). Generally these institutional launches require a large seed investment (previous fund) + own net worth + family and friends, and if lucky they get 1-3 follow on early believers. Everyone else will be waiting at least another 3-5 years for a track record as a business before they start writing the big checks. They want to see institutional level experience in COO and operations, and you have to recruit top talent which is expensive as well. Also the entire industry is ever more critical of the value proposition that any fund can offer - so running with positive net exposure in a "I find best ideas in the space" or "value with a quality lens" and lots of leeway, is a very very difficult value proposition to sell to anyone who writes big checks. Market neutral on the other hand is a much easier thing to raise for these days, but again when doing that kind of launch it raises the bar on the level of due diligence, namely the track record of the PMs (very expensive to attract and you need more AUM to entice them), and the firm's risk model and the experience level in managing that model, etc. All of this to launch in the 100s of millions which is by far the minimum bar for building an enduring fund that can attract the big checks. --> this is what most people are referring to when they give their advice.
Then the other side is the smaller bootstrapped mini fund that the MIT investment co and Joel Cohen love to sponsor. These people run in the 10s of millions of AUM and hope that the business can mostly cover costs and support the 1-2 people who start it with a comfortable lifestyle (and the end goal of maybe one day turning into a more institutional level offering if they make it after many many years). This is by far the more realistic path for most who say "they are starting a fund" but there should be no illusions re: how difficult it is. A lot of these funds will struggle to ever shake their image or attract the experience level necessary to turn it into a strategy that can attract checks in the $25-100mn range, but it does happen from time to time.
If you look at the commentary everywhere, allocators are being ever more judicious in what they are paying for, and you have to apply the same level of analysis you use on equities to these ventures. "why do they deserve to be in business" "what is their value proposition" "what is the evidence that this can scale and provide repeatable returns that fit into a product category that an investor needs".
Btw, this is all for me to say, I think the original poster should continue to explore it. Maybe they hit some walls and realize its not a reality - but taking risks is the only way anyone gets paid in this business. But your commentary on "bros" trivializes the very real reasons it is difficult to get started today. The landscape in 2000 was very different, and we are never going back. Also almost every one of the legends you mentioned had one massive backer who really believed in them and guided them in building the business.
I recommend for the poster Ted Seides book on "so you want to start a hedge fund". Cringey title, but as anyone who has heard his podcasts knows, he is super intelligent about the industry. Short read as well.
If you're happy with your path, then good for you!
But for anyone else reading this -- worth tracing the numbers. The guy says he has 15 million AUM. Assuming fees of 2 and 20% (which would be really high for a small fund without a brand name) and returns of 10% that's 600k a year total. The guy doesn't say if he has anyone working for him or what his expenses are (presumably he must have to pay a lawyer and an auditor and a bloomberg terminal and fees to his broker, etc) but let's be generous and assume he has no expenses and keeps every penny of those fees. And he has to pay for his own benefits like insurance. The guy didn't say how many years it took to get here.
600k is not a bad living, it's better than most people do. (Although again, his fund surely must have expenses that eat up a lot of that. Even hiring just a single junior assistant will cost 20-30% of that). But if you have the skills to manage that much money and the contacts with high-net worth individuals to get them to invest in you; then you could almost certainly earn more on a traditional HF path.
Not trying to be negative, but I have seen many extremely talented and hardworking people try and fail. The opportunity cost is massive especially for someone in their 30s, but if you are young enough and really believe in it, the upside can obviously be huge.
Of course if it was easy everyone would be doing it. I am young enough and I do believe in what I’m doing, it’s just about being creative in raising funds that you can deploy in a reasonable timeframe.
Can you expand on what you mean by opportunity cost?
So many people talk about how beneficial an experience like this could be in growing your network, learning about the industry, blah blah blah
Sure, I'm in no way downplaying how valuable the experience can be if someone goes that route, as well as the appeal of the potential upside. But the alternative is to join an established firm and do moderately well and build a career. You can be compensated very well and it should be relatively easy for someone as smart as the OP. The risks are pretty minimal compared to starting your own fund. If you don't do that by your mid 30s, that opportunity will be diminished or lost completely.
I posted a comment already, but I just read this today from Lee Ainslie's interview on Invest like the best - anecdotes are never super helpful on their own, but you can add it to the spectrum of things you see and hear on this topic...
Patrick: [00:39:10] When it comes to the third leg of this tool, the notion of building the business, if you were addressing an audience of people that were all about to embark on that journey, let's say, starting asset managers or hedge funds or whatever investment firms or different types. What would you say have been the most surprising challenges that they might then face in their journey to create their own business that maybe you didn't expect going in but were really important challenges to billing a good enduring investment business?
Lee: [00:39:36] I'll answer it in real-time, rather in 1993 time as the world has just changed so much. There weren't a lot of long-short funds. And you had 2 hedge funds, probably had 60%, 70% market share in the hedge fund space. We have a little seating business where we've helped start -- funds that are starting up and give them a lot of advice, a little bit of capital, and hopefully a sample of approval with our brand, it's hard.
I've been surprised by there's an escape velocity where you have to be at least $100 million, if not more like $250 million, do you even get meetings, no matter how good your numbers are? Secondly, having solid risk-adjusted returns does not do any good. You need to stand out, which I've concluded to, it now means you got to take a lot of risk. If you're starting out, you better have numbers at 2 or 3 years into it are pretty eye-popping. That's hard.
So the challenges of starting a small firm today, now don't get me wrong, there won't be another David Einhorn who started with virtually no money, did quite well year after year after year, and it finally became a real big business. It's just the odds that are happening much more today than they used to be. And the enduring piece of advice I give everyone is you've got to make sure that everything you do represents integrity and represents your ability to do what you say you're going to do because you won't get a lot of second chances in those regards.
Don't take this the wrong way ... but you seem to have an information overload and you're trying to develop an extremely incoherent strategy or maybe it's coherent but you're doing a lousy job explaining it. Put in 5 years go good honest insititutional level work and then revisit your strategy and then maybe then you have something coherent and a track record to stand behind.
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