Quant PM from LO to SM/MM HF
Hi folks
I currently work as a equity PM at a large asset management firm. I manage two equity portfolios with ~1 bn USD. One has a very good performance (IR>1.5), the other one is just OK (IR<0.5).
I am interested in moving to a MM HF for the following reasons and would like to get your view as I might be wrong:
- Comp upside can be larger at SM/MM HF. Currently, I have a good fixed salary, bonus is about 30-50%, fund performance does not really matter.
- I currently have great job security but since I am at my end 30s I think I can take on more risk. Should I get fired after 1-2 years at my new job, I would not be too old to find a new one.
- Work life balance currently is great, but the job does not really feel challenging any more.
- The LO setting is limiting. I mostly use a quant approach, and the short leg cannot be implemented.
- ESG constraints are frustrating but imposed at a firm-wide level.
- This is the point I am mostly insecure: I am kind of an expert/senior PM and cannot really learn anything from my colleagues any more. I am sure that at MM HF I would meet better people than me but with the POD structure and based on different posts I have read in this forum I am not sure there is much of a learning experience if everyone wants to keep his style secret. Do PMs actually talk with each other at Pods?
Thanks a lot
Based on the most helpful WSO content, here are some insights regarding your potential move from a large asset management firm to a multi-manager (MM) hedge fund:
Key Considerations for Moving to an MM Hedge Fund:
Compensation Upside:
Job Security vs. Risk:
Work-Life Balance:
Quant Approach and Constraints:
Learning and Collaboration:
Additional Insights from WSO Threads:
Conclusion:
Moving to an MM HF can offer higher compensation and more challenging work, but it comes with significant risks, including job instability and a potentially more isolating work environment. Carefully weigh these factors against your current job security and work-life balance before making a decision.
If you have any more specific questions or need further insights, feel free to ask!
Sources: What is your relationship like with your PM?, Q&A: Non-Target School to Portfolio Manager at a Top Hedge Fund – 6 Years Out of Undergrad, Life in a MM HF, Performance of the best PM’s at MM’s?, Point 72 vs Blackstone
Inter pod communication varies a lot by firm but is uncommon if you get hired as a PM running your own pod. You should give it a try if you think you have a differentiated process and can generate PNL while restricting style factor exposures.
It bears mentioning that unlike your current LO job, the centralized infrastructure varies a lot by fund. You need to understand the whole stack end to end (data, signals, trading, risk, optimization, operations) to be a successful pod PM. As a quant it may be especially onerous as you will have to rebuild most of this stack from scratch, and most funds will not want a PM to go their first year without putting on risk and making PNL. If your process is really a factor neutral 1.5 Sharpe, this could easily mean you spend 6 months building out your whole stack and lose money over the next 6. Then you're collecting zero bonus and fighting for your job the next 6 months.
If you think your strategy would jump from 1.5 Sharpe to 2.5+ market/factor neutral and you can still run $1b GMV, though, that could be 50+ mm PNL and you could make 8 figures. Question is if you want to make that bet on yourself?
I like your funny words magic man
What precisely are the ESG constraints you talk about?
I spend too much times in mandatory ESG working groups pushing back, but this is due to the large organization and I could live with it. The real ESG constraints are that I sometimes cannot buy the stocks me or my algos are interested in. This has cost performance significantly. I can prove this as I have been tracking an alternative portfolio for more than a year but ESG has a lot of momentum within the firm as top management seems to believe they can attract additional clients with it. There is nothing I can do at the moment.
Don’t tell me your fixed is less than 500k.
I make less than 200k fixed salary. To understand better my apparent low salary, you should know two things: 1) I work in continental Europe. 2) Half of the money I manage is internal firm money. So if there was a bad year, there would not be much outflow. However, if there is a really good year, nothing happens either. The only way to make 500k is to jump 1-2 positions and manage a small team. I have such colleagues, but they are ~50 years old and already think more or less of their retirement. I am sure most of them would not find a new job if laid off.
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