A friend of mine cheated and got an Internship offer at a BB IB

A friend of mine has a GPA of 2.1. He basically photoshopped his unofficial transcript with better grades and gave himself a much higher GPA and he eventually received a Summer Internship Offer from a BB and even passed their background check.

How exactly did this happen? Apart from the obvious, he will probably suck at his job or won’t be able to keep up with the workload, how do firms let something like this happen and deprive a more deserving candidate of an offer?

 

I see, So basically, since Grades and GPA classify as personal data, firms ultimately have no choice but to straight up believe what a candidate says? Honestly, if that were the case, I don't even see the point of firms asking for your GPA.

 

How is this "Bashing"? I didn't contact the company or expose him or list his information out or anything. I couldn't care less about the way he chooses to live his life. My question was more on the lines of trying to find out whether occurrences like this are common and whether firms have any particular way to verify grades and gpa or are they simply forced to believe what a candidate says which doesn't really make much sense to me.

 

They can't "verify" but they can tell him to have his school send something official. He can refuse but they would just pull the offer. He's rolling the dice and it seems like it might pay off. Such is life sometimes. In another timeline they knew the whole time, they fire him on his first day, and he's blacklisted from the entire industry. Risk/Reward

 

Good for your friend. He'll either get weeded out quickly or he'll find a way to use his resourcefulness to get the FT offer.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning what he did. But like NonTargetHardo2019 said, you sound salty as fuck coming on here to friend-bash saying he'll be "sucky" at his job. It's possible he's a killer techie that just doesn't give a shit about gpa. I know plenty of them.

AA777 you sound like a snitch. Snitches get stitches. Stay in your lane.

Lastly, I find it hilarious that this actually worked. If he's a dishonest POS he'll get the boot so there's no need to rat.

"Out the garage is how you end up in charge It's how you end up in penthouses, end up in cars, it's how you Start off a curb servin', end up a boss"
 

There’s a difference between “resourcefulness” and straight up fraud. I can’t fathom defending someone who literally forged his entire transcript. I’m not trying to rat someone who rounded up a 3.3 to 3.5, but a 2.1?? Maybe he should have actually done his work. Christ.

 

For starters, I don't really care about what he does because in the end it's his own life and if he has no integrity, and happy with living his whole life made up with a bunch of lies then good for him! That is his choice.

That said, he is sucky at his job because he pays people to do his coding assignments. Cheats on tests and he even got into trouble once for copying on a test. I'm not the kind of person who things a GPA is a measure of someone's intelligence and if he really does have the skill set, then good for him. However, under the circumstance, he doesn't.

 

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Lol just saw this. And to address the point. Snitches do, in fact, get stitches.

"Out the garage is how you end up in charge It's how you end up in penthouses, end up in cars, it's how you Start off a curb servin', end up a boss"
 

Hmmmm............. Let's change one thing real quick......

"Good for Bernie Madoff. He'll either get put in jail and everyone will magically be recouped and made whole (NOT!) or he'll find a way to use his resourcefulness to keep the scheme going.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning what he did. But like @NonTargetHardo2019 said, you sound salty as fuck coming on here to friend-bash saying he'll be "sucky" at his job(fuck whistleblowing and dignity, right? definitely keep more entitled bros in the top 1%). It's possible he's a killer fund manager that just doesn't give a shit about federal regulation(or basic human decency). I know plenty of them(yeah, I bet).

@AA777 you sound like a snitch. Snitches get stitches(especially from guilty, desperate, insecure people... *really though, is this middle school?). Stay in your lane.

Lastly, I find it hilarious that this actually worked. If he's a dishonest POS he'll get the boot so there's no need to rat(again, as if that fixes everything)."

HMMMMMMM................

JUST DO IT. Don't let your memes be dreams.
 
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Your post is just so wrong. The reality is not that you have such a high sense of justice and fairness that you needd to share with us that your friend cheated... You are just jealous of your friend because he managed to have something without as much effort as you. Your are just trying to find some support to rat on your friend. Your friend did not do something morally wrong . He took a risk and succeeded in taking that additional risk. You could have done the same. But you didn't. Not because you have high value standards, but because you were afraid to get caught. Your friend played and won. He had more balls than you and now you feel that it's not fair because you worked more than him. Life is unfair just suck it up and stop being a crying baby about it.

 

Risk isn't about balls, it's about knowing when the risk is worth the reward. In this case, I think it wasn't. Many people will see this thread, and it probably takes one email to this BB to ruin this guy's career. His best shot is to lateral out of this BB quickly to one of the (few) shops that doesn't ask for a transcript.

 

The level of immaturity in your post is surreal. What if your loved one was sick and you needed a doctor and guess what! The doctor had the balls to fake his credentials and get a job and was going to be operating on your loved one. So are you still gonna say he had the balls to take that risk while the rest of the doctors were bitches and went to medical school?

With intelligence comes a sense of mortality. It has nothing to do with me being afraid of doing the "Wrong thing".

 

I do think this is pretty fucked up BUT if you spend your entire life wondering how some people get ahead and others (that might be more deserving) don't, you're going to live a very exhausting life. Channel your energy into something more productive and move on.

 

Jesus, you guys are kinda f*cked up.

OP you seem a little too bitter about it, but IMO there's cause to be at least somewhat miffed. OP's "friend" is an asshole. There is NOTHING "clever" or "resourceful" about literally doctoring your fucking transcript to give yourself a higher GPA. Nothing. There is zero similarity between that and doing something like ninja networking your way into interviews with a subpar GPA, or using alternative transcripts, major/Master's GPAs. If I found out about anyone pulling this garbage I'd show them the fucking door.

GPAs aren't a perfect indicator of how good someone will be at their job - hell the guy who runs my vertical graduated from a state school with a 2.something GPA and he's about 20x smarter and richer than I am - but I am of the opinion that doctoring grades is an excellent indicator of how absolutely dogshit someone will be as a professional.

You guys gonna defend Bernie Madoff for just "fudging a few numbers" next?

 

With you 100%.

All these losers defending this type of lie have clearly never sat on a desk and thought for a moment about the stress of letting a blatant liar handle your business and your clients on your behalf.

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Angus Macgyver:
but I am of the opinion that doctoring grades is an excellent indicator of how absolutely dogshit someone will be as a professional.

You guys gonna defend Bernie Madoff for just "fudging a few numbers" next?

I mean, half of college students use illicit drugs as study aids and drink underage. I know not every "crime" or unethical act is equal, but at what point do we remember that whenever you point your finger at a person there are two fingers pointing right back at you?

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Angus Macgyver:
You guys gonna defend Bernie Madoff for just "fudging a few numbers" next?

I was all ready to hammer on the other side, calling the altruistic-integrity-nerds out but this silly line kind of brought it home for me. Lying and being deceitful is a slippery slope. Throughout my career(s), I've witnessed good people upping the ante to the point where processes designed for checks and balances are completely circumvented, producing a result that's completely false. While I don't particularly care that some dbag altered his transcript, who knows what they would be willing to do 4 or 5 years down the line.

 
John Pierpont:
Angus Macgyver:
You guys gonna defend Bernie Madoff for just "fudging a few numbers" next?

I was all ready to hammer on the other side, calling the altruistic-integrity-nerds out but this silly line kind of brought it home for me. Lying and being deceitful is a slippery slope. Throughout my career(s), I've witnessed good people upping the ante to the point where processes designed for checks and balances are completely circumvented, producing a result that's completely false. While I don't particularly care that some dbag altered his transcript, who knows what they would be willing to do 4 or 5 years down the line.

I really hate this line of thinking. If you took someone with a 3.4 GPA and took him into an alternate universe and deducted a point from his GPA (down to 2.4) and told him that he could alter his transcript, land a great job, and get away with it, what portion of people do you think would do it? Probably about the same proportion of people who drink underage and who use illicit study aids, which is about half the population, give or take. In other words, we’re making sweeping predictions about the future character of transcript alterers while ignoring people who break actual laws.

I would take my critique a step further, however. A great portion of people lack character when it comes to making specific hard decisions, and yet virtually none of them turn into mega thieves because, broadly speaking, using illicit study aids, drinking underage, and altering your transcript are victimless offenses (broadly speaking, of course). People with flawed character engage in victimless offenses. People with actually bad character steal from others and harm others. Madoff’s offenses were replete with victims. Grand theft and illicit marijuana use aren’t comparable offenses.

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Not exactly. I was just curious to see whether this is a common occurrence and where there is the risk of getting caught or what steps do firms take to prevent stuff like this from happening.

 

Two things are true at once here.

(i) OP's friend is a fraudulent assclown who should have never gotten the gig. I think that GPA is a bad proxy for intelligence/ability to do the job, but forging a document to pull the wool over the company's eyes is a good proxy for bad character.

(ii) OP has nothing to gain by ratting the kid out, it's not as if they'll swap out the fraud for him, and he would be better served focusing on himself. I don't blame him for being pissed that someone who he competed w/ for a spot and lost to was a cheat, though.

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GPAs don’t have to have a perfect correlation with professional success to merit being respected in a competitive interview process.

You know what does have a strong correlation with being a dogshit professional? Lying about something as trivial and small as a GPA.

All you guys are fucking wack lmao. Not good enough to make it on your own so you trip all over yourselves babbling flimsy rationales to justify what you know makes you a lesser person and professional. I laugh all the way down park avenue.

You all talk a big game about how ballsy and brave and bold it is to lie your way into a firm - how comfy would you morons be with this liar talking to your clients on the desk?