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Analyst 1 in IB - Cov

what happened to all the older people being like im sick of these posts stfu u stupid analysts they will never layoff analysts… so were they just wrong lol

What happened to all the younger people (SAs, Spring interns, insight week participants, GS Virtual Insight Series interns) being like im sick of these posts stfu u stupif analysts they will never layoff analysts

 
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That’s a great question that nobody knows the answer to. Associates and VPs were also let go but Analysts are the cheapest workers and laying off seasoned 2nd/3rd years is the dumbest fucking thing.

We are already short staffed and morale is bad, this is just going to make it awful. There are also so many dogshit senior bankers who are doing ZERO business and they’re firing analysts.

Senior management at this bank is terrible.

 

Associate 3 in PE - LBOs

There's a pyramid to maintain will be the argument. Need to take out below if you take out people above. Can't report to yourself

True and I would add that it is way easier to hire juniors again, while it is more difficult to find good Assocs/VPs. So it absolutely makes sense to fire Analysts because they don't need them at the moment (low deal activity) and it is easy to re-hire if the situation changes

 

I'm not at Qatalyst or anything but relative to the juniors we hired pre-pandemic, the juniors we hired during were MUCH more hit and miss.  Much more prone to ignore weekend emails / take a long time to respond, come in to office late / leave early, push back on work etc, sloppy personal grooming / dress sense etc.  That's not surprising because we hired much more than we used to so your standards couldn't be as high.  Anyway, not a complaint but that probably plays a part in why analysts are getting cut this downmarket vs other downmarkets where they weren't.  It appears that some who got cut weren't outwardly bad performing but believe me, every workplace has issues with favoritism.  It's that old story about the hardworking guy getting passed up for promotion in favor of the charming guy.  

 

"sloppy personal grooming / dress sense"

didn't know we were graded on fashion too

 

I think it is a big part on how you carry yourself and i think thats what this commenter was trying to get at 

 

a. If you walked into work wearing a mesh shirt and an unkempt, dirty beard, do you think you'll be looked at in the same light as a guy wearing a blazer and slacks?  Okay, now narrow the differences between the two in terms of dress / grooming and similarly shrink the level of adverse reaction.  The point is, the negative reaction to someone dressing  / being groomed significantly worse than average will be small but non-zero.  When you combine that with the other deficiencies I noted, it starts to paint a picture

b.  Beyond dress sense, what we do care about is attention to detail - before you edited it, you attempted to insert what I said in quotes and badly misspelled 'sloppy'.  I give you credit for catching it though    

 

I think this is likely to be accurate. Lots of departments, not just IB, hired a lot of "warm bodies" during the pandemic. I'm sure there's plenty of people that can be let go and no one will miss them. 

 

There are a disproportionate number of second year analysts and stub associates (A2As) across many groups who were brought on during the COVID boom who don't come into the office despite the rest of the group being in, sign off at 11pm when the rest of the deal team including senior associates and VPs are working late, stop working the second protected Saturday hits (like not even finishing what they're working, just completely sign off right at 6pm on a Friday on the dot), take hours to respond in the middle of the weekday, and who don't do any work unless explicitly asked.

I don't think anyone deserves to be laid off and certainly wish groups just had the tough conversations with these people early to level set expectations (rather than keep quiet and tacitly endorse that sort of behavior), but it's hard to look at it and say that it comes as a surprise that the majority of layoffs were senior analysts or stub associates. It's also mindboggling that people behave like the above and then act surprised when they're let go. I just don't understand how you can not see that coming.

 

Some more senior people on the equities / trading side as well. Head of Equities structuring in the US gone (S&T)

 

Why did they just put up a listing for HC associates? I guess they're not on a hiring freeze?

 

Heart goes out to those who've been laid off. Horrible look. Reckon associates will just have their bonuses heavily slashed this Jan and then they'll be leaving regardless.

What concert costs 45 cents? 50 Cent feat. Nickelback.
 

What did severance packages look like across analyst and associate levels?

 

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