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Seems like a lot of groups do in house modeling, is the reason you say MS is deal flow related? Genuinely curious

 

I was told not all project finance groups model, but that conflicts with the user below who said all groups model by definition. Not sure about other places, but the analysts really do run the model and crush it on modeling exams.

Have heard MS project finance has sick exits and it’s basically guaranteed analysts leave for buy side roles which is why they hire a lot of MBA associates. Also heard comp is “top of the street”.

Yes, the Asian banks lead in terms of deal size, but MS wins on its people and advisory, not it’s balance sheet which I think is particularly attractive. Plus the overall MS brand name compared to the Asians banks if you decide to leave finance.

 

MS? When is the last time they did a PF deal?

Best groups for analyst experience are GS and JPM, then Citi / MS. 

All PF groups, by definition, do in-house modeling. The groups above are better than the BNPs / MUFGs of the world because they focus on infra advisory, M&A support, and bond underwriting. The French / Japanese banks are on top of the league tables but do almost exclusively TLAs (cheap cost of capital).

Source: Former PF analyst

 

Are exits exclusively to Infra PE and credit funds? Curious where most people end up

 

Maquarie, DB (private credit), MS, GS, JPM all do very well in infra PE recruiting.

You still get looks if you're at a French/Japanese bank, but usually only at the analyst level and not the same level of interest vs the tier above. If you're an associate stuck at one of these PF shops, it becomes much harder to make the move as by then you're considered too old and on career track for PF banking.

 
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Would you say it is possible to go into infra PE after business school with experience at one of those French / Japanese banks?

If you already have PF experience at a French/Japanese bank but missed out on infra pe recruiting, then going MBA route might improve your chances. With that said, I think most infra funds don't actively recruit MBAs so you'll need to hustle and network. 

 

OP here: I am joining a BB that is well known for project finance and has great exits, and I think it could offer an interesting alternative from the usual coverage/M&A -> MF buyout to project finance -> MF Infra. Honestly, Infra PE is very interesting to me and from what I’ve read online you still get strong pay (less than typical PE) but you work less hours and still get carry. Seems like a good gig to me.

Any Infra PE people can confirm/deny my claims just regurgitating what I’ve read.

 

OP here: I am joining a BB that is well known for project finance and has great exits, and I think it could offer an interesting alternative from the usual coverage/M&A -> MF buyout to project finance -> MF Infra. Honestly, Infra PE is very interesting to me and from what I've read online you still get strong pay (less than typical PE) but you work less hours and still get carry. Seems like a good gig to me.

Any Infra PE people can confirm/deny my claims just regurgitating what I've read.

You will get crushed at top infra pe funds no different than traditional MF PE. Ask the folks at GIP, Carlyle, and Stonepeak how their WLB is.

 

MUFG actually has a very strong project finance group. Their best group by far and is one of the leaders in deal volume + deal size. 

 

Anyone know how easy is it to lateral from public finance to project finance. Will be interning with a BB in the public finance team in 2023, interested in doing FT for project finance, is this possible to lateral from intern public finance to FT project finance at same BB? 

 

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