BofA IB revenue falloff
Feel like this further stratifies the difference between “top” BBs/EBs and mid/low tier:
BofA Sees Weak Investment Banking, Modest Trading Revenue Gain https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-1…
Feel like this further stratifies the difference between “top” BBs/EBs and mid/low tier:
BofA Sees Weak Investment Banking, Modest Trading Revenue Gain https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-1…
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dude, moynihan dgaf abt IB, we know this
Yikes
Not surprised by this at all, the recent incessant hiring of MDs makes this even worse. Revenue per head must be awful.
This results in low pay across the board and a bad learning experience for juniors doing pitch work etc.
BofA, fundamentally, is not a well run bank (from an IB perspective).
First of all, it does not conduct the annual culling of under performers in the same way as competitor banks across the street. This exacerbates poor performance relative to peers, and leads to burnout of the best junior talent, since under performers are not trusted with important work and do not quit due to lack of attractiveness on the open market. Also, due to lack of culling, the firm has become painfully bureaucratic and no longer supports internal mobility as a way to reshuffle and retain the best talent across the firm (those who want to stay).
Secondly, the firm is extremely risk averse and it is fundamentally a commercial & retail bank, as Corporate Banking & Treasury/Payments Services comprise most of the revenue that the bank does with businesses. IB inherently is an episodic business and it accounts for a small portion of revenue, and its revenue per head has been declining over the years due to mass hiring of MDs who can’t compete and win M&A mandates relative to peers at the Top BBs/EBs.
At any rate, this barely scratches the surface when it comes to BofA’s lackluster talent management and business execution strategy. Just a few of my thoughts to get the conversation started.
Agree with the above, but a couple questions:
i) does this phenomenon occur at all of the mid & low tier BBs? Or do you think BofA is poorly run even relative to places like citi, Barclays, WF, UBS, RBC, etc? BofA seems to be the only bank that does not periodically fire underperforming juniors, and bonuses the past few years was the lowest of the low.
ii) Was BofA always run this poorly? I imagine they’ve always been a risk averse bank and IB has historically been a small part of their business. How/why has it gotten worse?
A lot of assocs/VPs are lateraling to other banks, and before I do so I want to be sure the grass is actually greener. All of the mid tier/low tier BBs probably have their issues, but they at least paid better than BofA the last few years.
I have a few friends still at bofa and how they are running things just seem bizarre. Get the sense they tried to thin the herd by paying low bonuses so they could avoid saying layoffs but then this just pissed off all the top performers since they are doing 95% of the work because the low performers can't do the work. So you start losing all the top talent and retain the weak talent and keep compounding the problem. And it seems they did this approach across all levels. Apparently bofa's middle market group has almost 100 senior bankers.
Generally speaking, BofA was operationally more efficient with a better performing GCIB franchise leading up to COVID. Despite their recent challenges over the past 2-3 years, objectively, I think most people would say that it’s a better bet for early career professionals than some of the firms listed above.
I’d argue that BofA was close to emerging as a more formidable competitor to JPM and some of the other top BBs due to the strength of the seniors in its HC, FSG, C&R, and Levfin groups (2014ish - 2020). The bank has been known to have a pretty good culture (relatively speaking) coupled with good pay (relative to other BBs). Even archived threads on WSO will confirm that BofA was known, once upon a time, for being more generous with comp. Additionally, it was regarded as a shop that supports professional development and internal mobility, especially for top talent.
The problem is that BofA never quite adjusted their strategy after the COVID era hiring boom. Due to BofA’s huge retail presence and connection to Main Street, they value their image and want to be seen as a pillar of safety. This, amongst other things, is a reason why the bank has avoided culling in my view. Obviously, the health crisis is no longer prevalent; rates are higher, deal activity has declined, headcount is bloated, and top talent has left. So the headlines we are seeing regarding BofA more recently is the culmination of management’s lack of agility when it comes to adjusting to the current environment.
I used to work at BofA but left earlier this year.
My experience at my new shop so far has been better… although other banks have their issues as well.
My stance on BofA is there are very few places where the trade off between pay and hours worked/stress is so high. Sure there are banks that are more stressful, but you get paid more. Similarly, there are shops that pay the same/ a bit less, but they’re much less stressful and you get some WLB. At BofA I was consistently cranking 80-90 hours/week with relatively high stress, and received sub-6 figure bonuses as a senior associate.
I think the IB group at BofA isn’t structured right and they didn’t properly adjust their internal strategy post COVID. There are way too many bodies that don’t bring in business at the senior level, and way too many bodies who can’t do the execution work at the junior level. All of the above frustrates the top performers, who leave.
The real “winners” of BofA’s strategy are people who cannot do the job who would have been fired at another bank. No seniors want to work with them, so they cruise and don’t do much, and the base alone is a slight premium to what they could get if they left and got a “normal” job.
If you like IB and are an above average (hell, even average) performer, you’re better off almost anywhere else where they cull the herd at all levels once in a while.
First off, WF is not a BB. Second, RBC isn't a low tier BB, so it shouldn't be at the end of your list. You should rephrase your list of BBs in proper descending order of prestige like this - "Citi, RBC, Barclays, UBS".
Incredibly spot on. They really need to start culling at the associate level imo.
My roomate works at BofA and it sounds pretty similar if not marginally better than UBS
I do not disagree with anything you sad. Just funny you mention corporate banking when they also got paid like doo doo and a lot of talent there seems to have jumped ship to other BBs.
Wow, another abysmal year for comp coming up for those at BofA IB. What a shocker!
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