credit suisse leveraged finance origination & restructuring

You won't get a shot at any of these groups so I wouldn't worry about it.

why won't he get a shot? cuz it's him? or cuz of market conditions??

please explain...are you just being a jerk or what?

both

shut the fuck up. this is like asking which hole to put your dick in when you havent' even kissed a girl.

My buddy just moved to this desk. He's pretty pumped.

cs lev fin is very very strong. not sure what exit opps u are looking for joining banking post mba. unless you have pre mba buyside experience switching will be less common more difficult but not impossible.

thanks man. Yup. I have pre-mba Banking and PE experience. Just trying to figure out which banking job will be a better backup position to have based on how PE recruiting goes the next couple months.

any insight into lifestyle in the group?

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cs levfin is levfin. it's what you would expect of a strong ibd group. a lot of military folk.

Lev Fin isn't one of GS's top groups, so yes, I'd say CS Lev Fin in NY is stronger than GS and even MS. They're behind JPM, Citi and BofA in total volume but in terms of doing sponsor-led/HY deals they are still very strong. You won't get a bad experience at CS Lev Fin whether it be in LA or NY and there is 100% buyside placement in both cities.

I think you're better of taking a job at GS or MS in a different group than at CSFB LF.

Case in point, TPG hired 4-5 kids out of GS TMT this year, KKR hired 2 kids out of GS Industrials, THL hired 2 GS kids, 1 MS kid, and for the first time ever, 1 kid from CSFB.

People will disagree with me all day long, but I will tell you until I die, that you're better off at MS or GS than anywhere else. No matter what the group, you're best off at a top 2 BB which is GS and then MS.

KKR took 2 from GS TMT, I don't remember 2 from Industrials.... doubtful

CS Lev Fin and Sponsors are very good for PE from what i've seen...

Initials of the kids from TMT (I know them all)? AA are the initials of one of the analysts from Industrials.

I mean for summer 2007. Is that what you meant?

The GS and MS name alone will open doors that may not be available for you even as a top rated analyst from a lower tier bulge.

What group was the kid from CS that went to THL in?

I think ExGS is right about KKR taking 2 GS industrial, or at least one. I have a friend in the group. He mentioned 1 or 2 landing at Apollo, as well.

If you want to do more sponsor-related deals, I'd probably go FSG rather than LevFin at CS. On most of the CS OMs I read, it's mostly from FSG and not levfin.

1 is going KKR, 2 will be joining me at Silver Lake Partners. GS TMT kills it.

Yes I know one of the guys going to Apollo. I think the CSFB kid was Sponsors.

Every group at GS kills it. The year ahead of me in my group (small class) alone had 1 Silverlake, 1 THL, 1 Berkshire Partners plus a few guys head to hedge funds (Och Ziff, Duquesne, etc.).

Would you still recommend going to GS if the offer was for DCM or ECM over a BofA/Bear/Deutsche industry group?

A friend of mine also has an offer from Laz/Blackstone corp finance group. In other words, they do not do any M&A, just ipos, debt offerings, secondary offerings etc. Any advice on how he should objectively evaluate that type of offer vs industry group offers from non GS/MS BBs?

Thanks.

That is a tough situation. I hate to comment on things I don't know well, and this is one of them. Not sure what the exit ops are out of a cap mkts GS group vs. other industry groups....

Generally I think industry groups are better for learning and future placement, but you pose a tough question which I'm not sure I can answer...