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The biggest Goldman Sach's problem is that there is no meritocracy.
>>The following material was obtained from Glassdoor and LinkedIn articles as a documented case was debated and published on various forums beginning in 2023, even being translated into Polish and Hindu, as criticising London's HR bias and procedure of selection and screening mid-senior candidates.
It is also a sobering reminder that while the bank expects superior skills and education from analysts and associates, the same however does not apply to the EDs/VPs who manage them. This case is just a proof that even in London's, Global Banking Markets (S&T),, many simply wouldn't even pass typical / assessments for analysts.
Choose your mentors and teams with extreme caution, as this can cost you your career.
This is eye-opening, so much different than whatever you will read or against common believe. Not everyone is playing fair, not everyone spends tens of thousands £ on degree or qualifications...
Having worked in IB for more than +16YeO, I've seen tremendous injustices in terms of promotions, pay, and culture.so much different, HR tends to recruit mix of people, which we can divided into 2 categories:
1) Superbly educated and mediocre ones too (mostly with bought MBAs, not even target, expensive ones, as we are seeing many random, non-name candidates).Being superb,, Phd technical is a deep liability because you're expected to stay quiet and just churn out work.
2) Generalists, administrators, corp. back stabbers, climbing based on bosses liking than skills. Conversely, the people who are incapable of producing quality work are assigned "softer jobs" such as going to meetings, presenting to higher ups, and eventually managing others. Sooner or later all the "smart" people end up reporting to people who don't understand the business but are good at sucking up to their boss. Those mainly have MBAs, so they aren't experts at all from anything...if you think 1 yrs programme will make you a leader in banking you are irrational, especially without ground knowledge which only qualifications and even masters provides.
I don't have an axe to grind, and actually think this culture has helped my career. In fact it is a great place to learn and grow if you have luck to deal with 1st category! Provided exit opportunities (if you are not too old - age bias) Hedge Funds etc in my case. The common misconception is it is difficult not being sb protégé. Well, I was recruited by direct HR approach last year (typically for +VP grades)
However, I can call myself very lucky as HR on-board me although:
- I was disciplinary terminated byin 15' focusing on the last employer instead, recommendation. Lucky this hasn't impacted my screening, most banks perform much detailed checks further in history!
- I'm 100% non-TARGET (Uni, MBAs, background etc)I have low (3.6/5.0)M.Sc. Marketing/Accounting of Eastern Europe non target even there, 2nd degree- but never finished back at home, started ACCA which failed after 1st exam, same goes to FCA etc. An obvious trick was do(nb fails those!) the cheapest London's (100% pass rates+ CMI incl. for free) nb cares, West London at the end my programme which I had to extended, luckly merged with City Uni - what confused HR as it is still same low quality with other slightly better label).
- CMI is the only "paper", I have not even being examinable as it was part of my generic MBA bought package and apparently I claim this as the only person at London office
Most banks won't even care about those, somehow GS/Morgan HR's need tick this off for any promotion, won't even consider it as any value as you can easily cheat and outsource most assignments to copywriters like most ppl did.
Professional qualification in other hand requires sacrifice doing everything all exams by yourself, what was/is challenge for expats not fluent in English. Have you wondered why some EDs having very weak education like me, barely know how to draft an emails and overall suck in communication (now you have an answer) not to mention being threaten by more skilled co-workers?
- I don't have Russel Group (UK)/Ivy business diploma – nothing further from this in fact, as I have graduated mediocre accounting major in one of Easter European uni, not even the most competitive major to start with, this doesn't make sense hearing about top schools requirements at all.
- My background by no means wasn't, as I came from generic op. Firmops, CA experience, never been involved in actually sells pitching, direct clients interaction, not like most coming neither Risk or Research, Finance nor Markets exp
- I'm not qualified – neither FCA,, ACCA etc, in fact Analyst, Assoc. I supervise are 2x more technical superb than me, as far my +15 YOE middle/ goes.
I have started ACCA but failed at 1 exam, started FCA but failed, so MBA with impossible to fail(100% successful rate) at West London was my way around, especially as they merged it with City Uni at final study what confused HR even more and giving other label for quality same school instead.
- CHEAT TRICK there are MBAs and "MBAs"- I have completed the cheapest (budget limitation and language barrier) non-target (some called it Micky Mouse MBA) London's MBA as typical those throw in meaningless CMI paper incl in price, both nb really cares but HR needs to tick this off – costed +£16k, which was later luckily merged with City Uni.The main requirement was pass basic IELTS test(some might laugh)not like in professional MBA programmes (GMAT) not to mentioning LSE and rest Russel's Group requirements!
Most of my colleagues @GS have graduated LSE etc (for £110k-140£k eMBA)however due to language, communication I was also forced to use extensive help copywriters(fiverr, gumtee lots of them to choose from) to pass final result. One of advantages MBA over restrict self-study qualification as many people and alumni was doing the same, due to work commitments or just pure laziness etc. MBAs are more restrictive due to their costs not level, as you won't be banking expert after 1(18mths generic program), of course there are exemptions, not mine.
My communication skills although average at the best, I have never studied English language as my 1st foreign language, nor eastern accent luckily hasn't impacted my chances. I know it is huge obstacle in other FS sectors at senior level.
For 7-8 years I got stuck as Associate, promoted in the previous company only recently because of D&I and MBA. it is difficult to call such a purchased MBA any qualifications, unless you are just an 1 process administrator, who can be easily challenged by anyone with better sector / technical knowledge
Finally if I were representing a different probably not meeting diversity targets (GS it is no surprise aims to influx % women giving us a bit blind eye, I wouldn't stand a chance among male colleagues, with CFAs, LSEs etc)
Overall I'm so grateful and happy that I can lead own team and set own targets as well recruit people suitable for business and my management own personal goals.
Policy vs reality and discrimination (own interest above company's)
"The firm is committed to providing equal employment opportunity (EEO) to all qualified persons …including race, nationality, gender, religion and age."
Well dead policy, the reality is other way round. So much depends on people. I'm keep telling friends that in this business critical thinking is disadvantageous, there is no space for too old, too experienced candidates as they tend to create leaderships challenges and raising uncomfortable questions about sense and ways of doing things. Craftsmanship speed, accuracy are the most important in this role alongside soft skills managed ( at the end not the most knowledgeable or skilled got promoted!).I personally tend to recruit only young candidates, who are willing to make effort, work long hours and do not challenge supervisors causing unnecessary fractions. Why I would recruit sb you can possess a threat to my role in first place!
Ethics& Integrity vs reality:
Neither GS nor my previous bank wouldn't probably mind if I will admit that I've spent few years clamming council social housing benefits as well, living with my further family in their council flat and still(savings '000 in the process, just using loopholes).I simply used an opportunity as I was learnt doing at work and play the game.
To summarize I'm not exactly a raw model for junior colleagues (sometimes) better qualified and technically skilled on the job than me, neither in terms of technicality nor especially ethics at all, but as they came to me and once you are in, who cares!
All of the above are true (test for yourself, although as is common on LinkedIn, most people at GS hide by purposefully collapsing work and grade history to avoid being benchmarked against others, especially internal colleagues) and relatively easy to check; let's hope HR is taking notes as well, being so easily duped.
The aforementioned scenario is a sobering reminder that even in Goldman FO, things can go tragically wrong, since weak EDs tend to excessively rely on more capable subordinates, delegating pointless work due to a lack of understanding and taking credit for everything they do.
In other words not geniuses get ED roles but like my case process masters as I was lucky to work on process at Morgan they wanted.
Now imagine to work in department like mine... where more senior, more technical colleagues will be intestinally blocked by weak leaders like EDs, who do not even understand what they delegate but at all cost they will be defending and eliminating internal competition to them...cherry picking tasks, highly visible as useful for their fake image build up above. They won't as my case mentors in professional or ethical ways, but they hold a power to ruin your career if being threatened.
Why are there so many examples when technically brilliant people are prevented by extremely incompetent para leaders, most of whom have purchased the simplest MBA available, not real bankers but administrators, whom anyone can become if given the opportunity to master the process?
Only reason why HR so much lowered a threshold for me and fact I'm a women (as Goldman after lawsuit and paying $215m compensation tries so much to get more women into front office roles)