Has anyone been asked to find another job?
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Can you provide more color on what exactly your role was and why you were given no severance? That seems very odd. As for being fired, we’ll, people get fired who don’t deserve it just like people get promoted who don’t deserve it, that’s life man.
sorry to hear OP, curious to any wisdom that this site can provide
wtf? damn.
They probably didn't want to give you the associate promote as a 3rd year analyst and made up some BS to get rid of you.
Edit: I take back any sympathy I had for you. Read your posts and comments. You're clearly a racist, weirdo, troll, and incel. Props to the firm for getting rid of you. Oh, and fuck you
You’re an at will employee, they don’t really need a reason to fire you but typically try to document things to lessen liability from a lawsuit
Your username / OP / post history makes me think you're a twat. Perhaps you're not as mild-mannered, hardworking, and easy to get along with as you think? I typically hate to generalize but I wouldn't have a hard time believing you have a shit attitude towards work as well.
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The answer changes if it's a reputable name vs. a small lessor known shop.
A BB or EB is unlikely to fire you without warning at the analyst level unless you do something pretty abhorrent (absent layoffs). They just wouldn't give you a promotion and would give you a terrible bonus. If you're at a random middle market, you never know.
You have to remember IB is a client services business. Building relationships (both with clients and internally) is a much more important aspect of the job vs. being able to build a great model or putting together a slide really quickly. If you have trouble connecting with coworkers, people will be hesitant to put you in front of clients because you'll be viewed as a liability. You don't need to be best friends with your coworkers or hang out outside the office, but you do need to be seen as someone who is enjoyable to work with.
To be honest, it's not normal at all to have trouble connecting with people or getting along with people that have different political views. If this is the case, it's really something you should work on because this will continue to hurt you severely in any corporate role (and most big corporations lean liberal).
It's really weird though (and unfair) that you wouldn't be give a warning first/ a chance to improve on things first. Almost makes me wonder if the real reason was they saw your post history here...
Thoughts and prayers
thanks
It wasn’t meant to be consolatory, but more sarcastic. Obviously you think are a world killer 24 yo who is right with whatever you think your opinion is. Until you get off your high horse and get your head out of Reddit or 4chan or wherever you get your principles from - you’ll struggle, especially as the lowest level employee in a bank (analyst). You can boss around an intern but no one is paying you to tell even an associate that you think something they asked for is a waste of time or you are so much better. That’s not your decision and tbh you have no idea what’s going on half the time. You make mistakes (cause everybody does) and when you do, with your personality, you come off as extremely defensive at work setting (why do people need it, why now, why me, why can’t we do it this way, this is the right way - like anyone cares what you think when you fucked it up and missed deadline). Add to that your social ineptitude (you are not a bro or anything, you are just a weirdo who probably tried to pick fights with some MBA or international or female associate on top because on the internet you read unless they are A2A white male they don’t count), there are hundreds of other 23 yos anyone can hire who will be much easier to deal with and actually do a good job, on time.
Sorry this happened to you. These things come up frequently, especially in banking/IB.
Getting along with the team ("fitting in") is pretty relevant from a line management/HR point of view these days... - whatever that may mean.
Best of luck in your job search.
Honestly man, I would advise to think about you & how you were at work. Reading your comments it seems like you may be a bit immature/ childish and may come off as plain weird.
I am not taking a shot at you as much as I am giving you my honest advice. We have all been at a point in our lives when we thought we were doing the right things when in reality there was room to improve. Myself the first one. Beyond this I wish you the best
Totally agree... no one gets fired for "keeping to themselves and getting shit done" your post makes me question if you had more substantial cultural differences that led them to fire you for cause.
Not to be rude but you saying you're a douchbag/bro implies you know you can be an asshole and you say elsewhere you are intense and aggressive... do you see anyone professionally? Again really not trying to overstep here but especially after getting fired maybe a good therapist could help you work through how your personality comes off to people at work. Being a douchebag/aggressive is not the way to get ahead in any job and your comments on here don't seem like a finance professional at all
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All I can say is reading “I keep to myself” is a red flag. I’ve worked with gay people, people who wear snap backs while I’m wearing a blazer and slacks, and all others in between and have found a way to get along amicably in an office environment. What I’ve learned is that although I may disagree 99% with someone on the way they live their life, I am able to identify that 1% we share in common and use that to converse with the other party.
I’ve mentioned this before, but you’ve gotta lighten up and try and be amicable, if not friends (while maintaining that professionalism) with coworkers. You spend a lot of time with them, so self-imposing a circle around yourself that they cannot enter is grounds for failure.
Sure, you can’t talk about Alex Jones with all your coworkers or how Biden is a disgrace, but that’s ok. You can talk about how dinosaurs are fucking awesome or about different food around the world.
Well said - thank you.
Jesus - on one hand your advice is spot on, but am I reading too much into your comment "Gay people" followed by "I may disagree 99% with someone on the way they live their life"?
I'm just shocked that there are still people in the US that are this homophobic.
Not homophobic but do think it’s wrong for gay couples to adopt kids. It’s not natural, but the flip side is the kid may be better off with a gay couple than growing up in foster care
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Sounds like your ego is the problem. You’re probably older than I, but I have experienced believing im better than everyone else. Growing up I played on some of the best teams in the country for my sport - several years later I’m working a desk job while several kids I used to play with are professional athletes making millions. I even used to be better than some of them - that means nothing now.
You have to realize you’re not better than other people - sure, you may be more skilled at a particular thing (or even job) than another, but that doesn’t give you the right to look down on others. I’m not saying I don’t judge people; I’m probably one of the most judgmental people you’ll meet, but I keep all of that to myself.
Real shit. Can relate and again, well said man.
As has been said, sounds like you have an ego issue. Being confident isn’t bad, being blinded by it to the point you are arrogant is, as is having an issue with getting guidance from those with more experience. It sounds like you are looking for an argument with those that have more experience regardless on what they are saying, like you need to find a way to show you know more (even when you may not).
Being able to find better ways to do work is great. But you are going into this assuming your answer is right when you have little/no experience. It isn’t to say your method/answer/etc isn’t better, but 1) you are missing out on an opportunity to learn (learn about why the person took the route they did, what the process was to get there, etc) and 2) you are making it less likely your ideas will be used with that attitude. I’m not saying you entertain every wild (or stupid) idea, but the best way to show why something should be different is to understand how people got to the first answer and explain the differences. You are either missing something and making bad recommendations or you are right. If you are right, that also means other people didn’t see that path, so you need to guide them/teach them to see it so that it’ll actually stick. I would approach things with that mentality as opposed to the aggressive path, additionally you really look dumb when you take the aggressive path and are wrong…
Ill respond bluntly, as it seems thats how you operate. Until you realize how ass-backwards you have it, you might as well just gun for being a lifer at Bridgewater. Genuinely, no other reputable firm will ever keep you until you neuter your super-ego, learn to converse with those you don't agree with, be respectful, and learn to play the game. This comes from someone who has very strong opinions and operates in a very blunt manner on the reg.
You haven't earned a right to act the way you think of yourself, because you haven't done or proven anything, to anyone. You've brought absolutely nothing to the table in the grand scheme, havent generated tens of millions for the firm, or seen as the brilliant superstar... otherwise, they'd keep you. Hell, you wouldn't be a third year analyst, you'd have been an Associate or VP by now. Doesn't that speak volumes to you? Does that not make you pause?
On the flip side do you know how much goes into building a case to fire a person? A LOT. They have more than the examples they gave. This wasn't a fat trimming at YE. Should think about this, too.
Don't know you personally, but can still wholeheartedly say, you are not as good as you think you are, you do not know everything, you are not entitled to anything, you are not better than everyone else, your friends thinking x of you means absolutely nothing, and you aren't being reserved and quiet like you think you are.
For your careers sake, take a step back and ask for direct feedback from HR without being defensive. Take your medicine.
thank you. Will act on this
I am also aggressive and been so as a junior. Now closer to mid level. I'd say for me it works fine because 1) I am a top performer, so I can literally choose what partners I want to work with, 2) my firm is not as prestigious as top IBs, so there is smaller line to potentially replace me. I'd say if you work for a top IB and are underperforming, then you probably can't afford to be aggressive. I can though.
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Can very much relate, minus getting canned. Good management/groups are not easy to come by, unfortunately.
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