Industrials Group Across the Street
Hi there folks,
I'm interested in learning more about the different Industrials group across the Street.
Would highly appreciate hearing more about rankings (prestige), deal flow, culture, and hours across the various banks (EB,MM, BB).
Thanks in advance.
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Citi industrials pre-covid had an amazing culture. Now though, they are losing talent at all levels and the culture is definitely in a state of decline. If interested in industrials, go with the clean energy group (part of their team used to be a sub-vertical within industrials).
They didn't lose any of their top senior talent and have actually hired some good seniors from other BB/Boutiques.
All groups had attrition at junior mid-level the past few years, but still a very good group and one of the top at Citi.
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BB - GS,JPM top
What about the rest?
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Bump - interested in hearing if anyone has updated views on the industrials groups at BofA/Barc/Citi
BofA took a step back over the past couple years primarily due to very low pay (this was not just unique to industrials). Lost a few good MDs and a ton of solid mid levels. ~50% of MDs there haven’t been on a M&A transaction in years.
Culture there is pretty rough… from what I heard over the past 2ish years alone, 20+ people in the group lateraled to other banks ranging across the entire spectrum (other BBs, EBs, MM, etc).
Kind of a weird top-heavy dynamic there… tons of MDs and analysts/junior associates, but very few good mid levels in-between that can execute & know how to think.
Deal flow is decent but has fallen lately… they have a very good transpo banker and a few solid building products & services guys that bring in large M&A deals consistently. The rest are meh and tend to go after very small deals for whatever reason. Lots of gaps in coverage - they don’t have anyone reputable that covers industrial tech, packaging, E&C, or A&D right now.
Culture is solid at the junior levels but has gotten worse in conjunction with a lot of the competent mid-levels leaving. The senior bankers in general are OK to work with but aren’t the types that care about culture & overall group wellbeing (going out for drinks, getting involved with recruiting, fighting for people during reviews, etc).
My two cents- If your goal is getting deal reps earlier in your career, BofA is a good option. Good brand, solid deal flow, and decent exit opps. However, if your goal is making money, you’re better off at almost any other shop. Many of my peers who left BofA are making 1.5x to double what they did before.
The above is spot on and applies to most of BofA
Think this is pretty accurate for Barclays too from what I've heard, though I'll leave it to someone currently there / has been recently to elaborate.
And just lost one of their group co-heads. Honestly hilarious because he single handedly ruined the culture in the group over the past few years since he switched over from credit suisse. On the brightside, it’ll probably be better culture from here on.
Citi still top
How do the EB Industrials groups stack up? What are people’s thoughts on where the future of industrials banking is going?
Historically I understand Baird has dominated the MM space. Can anyone confirm if this is still true or have they lost talent after their PR fiasco?
Yes they still do the most industrial deals in the MM.
How is jefferies? seems like they've been killing it in building materials specfically, and have seen people on this forum say its one of the least bad groups at jefferies culturally
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