MM Investment Banking Outlook

I was recently in a meeting with some senior regional coverage bankers and it seems like BB has soften up their IB fees per deal and size. They are looking to tackle the MM area by leveraging its balance sheet.

How big of a threat is that to EB and other MM boutique?

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Depends on the approach and dynamics. GS and others have publicly stated that they are interested in capturing some of the MM share and are aggressively targeting sponsor business.

If a particularly strong BB (e.g. GS, MS, JPM) starts to move downmarket, the brand and M&A strength may allow it to capture some nice $500-$1B transactions. However, often deal teams staffed on smaller deals end up running poor processes and clients seem aware of this (heard this second hand FWIW), so if that doesn't change, PEGs are going to prefer the Jefferies or Blair attention and deeper deal team than a lean BB one that isn't able (or willing) to give it the proper attention.

BofA, WF (not a BB, but up-market from a CB/LevFin standpoint) have tried to serve MM clients for years with poor success. There are C team MDs that have few tombstones and a mediocre track record leading the regional coverage for MM IB opportunities. So, the concept isn't necessarily new and also hasn't borne fruit.

 
"Bill Stern @ Axe Cap" I think you're right about finding buyer in the ~$250MM range, therefore they are saying that if they see a business that they can easily find buyer then they will do the ~$250MM M&A deal. It will largely depend on the business. Regional coverage team will not be sector specific but rather arrange geographically. As far as my BB is concern, they are trying to leverage the debt platform as an alternative to credit. My take is that the deal team will be staffed with generalist geographic specific coverage banker / product banker / corporate or commercial relationship manager.

That's why I don't think MMs are that concerned. A good MM coverage team > generalist/product (M&A)/corporate banker since MMs do mostly industry M&A.

 
"d3athletejumper" I'd clarify that last point a bit, MMs tend to to pick their spots with a focus on only a few subsectors within a sector. Its hard to see how geographic generalist coverage can significantly compete in M&A but can definitely see them doing well in lending to small to mid-caps and doing corporate banking, but im sure there are exceptions.

Entirely depends on the group. There are industry groups with 5+ MDs that have most subsectors within an industry covered. There will be some stronger ones and weaker ones, but even with weaker ones, I'd expect them to outperform the BB's regional coverage team on most pitches. The MDs I've seen leading those efforts wind up there for a reason (its still a nice gig though).

 
"d3athletejumper" Agreed, I was speaking in general though. MMs are not going to be able to compete in every subsector of every vertical. Some MMs have strong life sciences in HC for example, or transportation within industrials.

No, but there is another MM that will. For instance, if there's a food deal that for whatever reason HL doesn't want or isn't as strong in, LMM, Blair, or HW will likely have good creds. My point is, almost every subsector of the MM is covered well by at least one MM firm, not necessarily the same shop.

In my example above, why couldn't Lincoln beat out the BoA coverage team with generalists, product bankers and corporate bankers? None of them can speak to relatable processes and buyer behavior as well as Lincoln does because BoA's overall experience is with far larger deals/processes/buyers.

 
"Draper Specter and Co." Interesting article in the FT today about this...

https://www.ft.com/content/2a19f680-38b3-11e9-b72b-2c7f526ca5d0

They point to Lazard buying Goldsmith Agios Helms as an example of how a bank with a culture of chasing big deals successfully bought their way into the MM. Its not clear that if GS were to buy Blair or HW as was rumored would have the same result. M&A in the business of M&A is rarely successful. It would be very interesting to learn how LMM has managed to keep performing.

People forget how long it took for Goldsmith to get integrated. There were lots of losses because inevitably, as what happens in many of these types of acquisitions, deal fee expectations increased. Goldsmith bankers that were used to $750K fees could no longer get those mandates approved once fee minimums rose to $1mm and then $1.5mm. Another huge issue is relationships and how those are handled. LMM had some strong MW corporate relationships that LAZ wanted. You can imagine the friction that causes.

GHF saw the same thing when BMO gobbled them up, left with a shell of the former group. If GS were to acquire WB, it would need to make sure that it didn't try and push the bankers up market. Although there is an explicit need to service the MM, Blair needs to be able to do $150mm transactions, not just work on $250mm-$750mm or wherever GS decides it will cut itself off at.

Anyway, those were some rambling thoughts about complex subjects.

 
"Draper Specter and Co." Blair as a standalone entity needs to be able to do those $150 mm transaction but does Blair as a potential Goldman subsidiary need to? If you're Goldman management and your goal is to grow your M&A business by increasing your share of MM dollar volume, would you rather pay 100 bankers to maybe generate $750mm in revenue or pay 50 bankers to probably generate $500mm. My point is the marginal increase in market share/revenue matters alot more for Baird as a standalone entity than for Goldman as a parent company. Therefore, they're more likely to set a cut-off and just fire the bankers who can't meet it. Are they getting the most they possible can out of the Blair platform? Probably not, but they're accomplishing the goal of increasing MM market share and that's probably enough....

It's a fair question and I don't have an answer, but let me play devil's advocate. In this hypothetical, GS buys WB for some large sum. If 50% of its MDs are going to quit or be pushed out (maybe not day 1, but within 2-3 years), you've arguably overpaid.

Secondly, those that do remain probably cost more than those that departed because they have greater leverage and options.

Third, how much cannibalization will occur in terms of relationships and deals in the gray area $400mm - $1.5B EV range?

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense long-term, just that there are some complicated elements to a transaction when you are buying talent and that talent has certain limitations.

 
"Draper Specter and Co." I guess one of the benefits of buying a private MM firm like Blair vs Piper Jaffrey or Houlihan.....is you don't have to disclose the purchase price. Lazard didn't when it bought Goldsmith. So even if you do overpay.......it will be difficult for people to criticize you.

Broadly speaking, I don't think a MM acquisition would make sense in the long-term, but I think its more attractive option than using lean "regional" coverage teams.

I think GS should probably stick to what its good at. However, if you're David Solomon, you're pressured to show growth in IB, you've seen JPM increasingly take market share since the GFC and you're loosing M&A revenue to boutiques, expansion into the MM might seem like the most viable option for growth.

One viable strategy to do this might be to aggressively poach strong sector-focused MM bankers from the Blair's, HW's, HL's, Jefferies, and PJ's so they don't face the regional coverage issues discussed above and they don't suffer acquisition integration issues either.

Poaching top industry bankers is an option, though likely expensive itself (will have to buy out stock of all top MDs) and probably challenging in general (leaving safety net and strong franchise for an unknown where the parent is the elite name in banking). I don't know anything about Waldron, but Cohn was the type of personality that may have been able to do that.

Either way it is done, I'm curious about the branding. Does it remain GS, a premier brand that everyone knows, but not one that is known as much for doing MM M&A? If they were to acquire a firm like Blair, PJC, HL, etc. those groups have strong enough MM brands that it may be worth keeping it.

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