New Business Week Undergrad Rankings
Here is the complete list cut and pasted from the BW transcript:
GeoffBW: 50. Texas A&M GeoffBW: 49. Marquette GeoffBW: 48. Michigan State GeoffBW: 47. University of Miami GeoffBW: 46. San Diego LouisBW: 45. Clemson LouisBW: 44. Georgia Tech LouisBW: 43. University of Florida LouisBW: 42. University of Minnesota LouisBW: 41. Ohio State GeoffBW: 40. Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute GeoffBW: 39. Texas Christian GeoffBW: 38. Baylor GeoffBW: 37. Boston University GeoffBW: 36. Penn State LouisBW: 35. Miami University LouisBW: 34. Fordham LouisBW: 33. Babson LouisBW: 32. Rutgers LouisBW: 31. Bentley GeoffBW: 30. University of Maryland GeoffBW: 29. William & Mary GeoffBW: 28. University of Wisconsin GeoffBW: 27. Santa Clara GeoffBW: 26. Northeastern GeoffBW: Ok, so that's 50-26. LouisBW: Next up the top 25! GeoffBW: Now we will go one by one. FrancescaBW: Now, the top 25?... GeoffBW: 25. University of Washington LouisBW: 24. SMU GeoffBW: 23. University of Richmond LouisBW: 22. Illinois GeoffBW: 21. Carnegie Mellon...that's the Tepper School LouisBW: 20. Lehigh GeoffBW: 19. USC LouisBW: 18. Indiana GeoffBW: 17. Wake Forest LouisBW: 16. Washington University...the Olin School GeoffBW: 15. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill LouisBW: 14. Boston College GeoffBW: 13. University of Texas - Austin LouisBW: 12. Villanova GeoffBW: 11. Georgetown University LouisBW: That's a pretty impressive list already, but now comes the best part: The Top Ten. GeoffBW: I need a break. GeoffBW: The excitement is killing me. GeoffBW: I was talking to a student from Emory the other day and he compared the countdown to 'Selection Sunday' for the NCAA tournament. I would have to agree. LouisBW: Okay, here goes... LouisBW: No. 10. Cornell GeoffBW: 9. New York University LouisBW: 8. Brigham Young GeoffBW: 7. Notre Dame LouisBW: 6. MIT GeoffBW: And now, the top 5... GeoffBW: 5. University of Michigan LouisBW: 4. Emory GeoffBW: Moving up from 12 to 3... GeoffBW: Berkeley LouisBW: 2. Virginia GeoffBW: And, for the second year in a row, finishing at the top of the 2007 Best Undergraduate Business Schools Ranking... GeoffBW: WHARTON
not bad for undergrad business ranking.
but keep in mind that a lot of prestigious schools dont have undergrad business programs.
Like all of the prestigious school minus Wharton.
yah right.. MIT, Berkeley?
Emory, Notre Dame, and BYU are not better than UT or UNC....
/homerism
Lehigh, WF, WashU, BC, and 'Nova are not better than UIUC Business.
And yes, I have BBAs from all of those schools.
lol classic
BYU, ND, and Emory are better than UT
anybody else get photographed when bw photographers went around to each school to get headshots of students?
Cornell #10 - too high or too low?
the only person who would say UIUC is better than WashU STL is the one who didn't get in.
Though I did hear UIUC had great placement with McD's and Steak-N-Shake management training programs.
False. I chose UIUC over WashU because WashU was $25k more per year and the girls were hideous.
Perhaps take a look at the other ranking criterion i.e. 'girls' and 'cost'. This list was based solely on prestige, but thank you for sharing your college decision with us. Oh, and please don't take offense to this, I am simply here to point out that your contribution was irrelevant. I am sure you will be very successful and gloriously wealthy someday.
FYI, UIUC (not great school for banking), but you'll see more of their grads as analysts in Chicago than Washu or ND. All 3 schools suck for NYC placement.
Emory does well with Bear Stearns and B of A, both firms that are barely BB. Heck, the school has to pay for hotel rooms to setup interviews for their students. Great school, I tell ya. LOL
BofA doesn't recruit there. Bear, ML, GS, Citi, JPMChase, LB, Wachovia, SunTrust, Wells Fargo recruit on campus.
is nyu undergrad really that low?
Haha UIUC...there is like one analyst from this school at my BB whereas the others mentioned are much better represented...delirious.
"BYU, ND, and Emory are better than UT"
Maybe as a university in general but not the undergrad business school.
Emory???
Is Emory a pseudonym for Embry Riddle?
Never knew that had a business school. Thought they were just aeronautical.
No Emory as Emory in Atlanta, Georgia.
"False. I chose UIUC over WashU because WashU was $25k more per year and the girls were hideous."
haha they probably don't have ice bomb night either
there are likely more attractive girls at UIUC, but most of them return back to the farm after college.
At WashU, you get what you pay for, probably the same at UIUC.
I had no Emory kids in my BB bank for the summer or for FT. I'm sure the education/facilities etc. must be stellar tho.
Lots of Emory kids go to HF straight out.
Citigroup 38 Goldman Sachs Group 27 McKinsey; Morgan Stanley 19 JPMorgan Chase & Co. 18 Deutsche Bank 17 Lehman Bros. 13 Merrill Lynch; UBS 11 Credit Suisse Group 10
Wharton's full time hires..amazing
out of ~800 student class
so over 20% of the graduating class work at BBs/McKinsey..
I'm curious for any Wharton/ivy alums...Are BB ibanking jobs a big deal at your schools? ex. If a guy gets a job at GS or MS at Wharton is that even considered prestigious. Or do the best people at these schools try and go for private equity/hedge fund gigs...and those are the ppl that get the respect?
Reason I ask is because if you get a ibanking job at any canadian school, people think your hot shit and everyone in the program knows you as the guy who got in Goldman or the Morgan guy. But with these stats for Wharton it seems like ibanking jobs aren't even a big deal
I go to Wharton (graduating this May). Getting a bulge bracket banking job isn't simple because you do still need a decent GPA (usually 3.3+; 3.5+ for some of the better banks). But, it's not considered a huge accomplishment to land a job at any of the bulge bracket banks. Of my friends who are good students, about 75% that wanted bulge bracket banking jobs got them. The people that aren't successful in landing BB banking jobs despite good grades are bad interviewers or socially inept..they end up at places like Jefferies, RBS, Barclays, etc. (not the end of the world by any means).
Goldman gives out a good amount of offers (they gave out 50 something internship offers last year across all divisions..probably like 30-35 of those were for banking), but people who get jobs there are still somewhat "admired" versus people who get jobs at other BBs. You're "admired" if you land a job at Goldman, Morgan Stanley, Lazard, or Greenhill. You're really admired if you land a job at Blackstone (Blackstone is regarded very highly at Wharton..and I'm just talking about the M&A and Restructuring divisions). The truly exceptional students are those who land jobs at Blackstone PE, Silver Lake, Silver Point, HBK, and 1 or two other places along those lines. Those places give out maybe 1 or 2 offers to Wharton students, and perhaps 1 or 2 offers to Harvard students. I don't think anyone at Wharton got an offer for HBK this year; I believe 1 person is going to Blackstone PE (he interned at Goldman and is obviously a top student); 1 person is going to Silver Lake (he interned at Lazard is also a top, top student); and I'm not sure about Silver Point or any other HFs/PE firms that recruit on campus (I think I pretty much covered it..I didn't see any other top HF/PE postings on PennLink).
rankings like these are for the most part subjective and unreliable
Keep in mind that of the 19 at MS from Wharton, only around 7 -8 might be IBD.
could we stop ripping on UIUC jesus christ
haha
i love my school :)
how's berkeley regarded amongst BB recruiters? i know BBs recruit at berkeley before they recruit at stanford (at least for summer internships), which surprised me... anyone know anything about why?
Berkeley (Haas) are considered very solid.
The rest I don't give a shit about, anyone who puts out a different top 3 is a crackhead.
MIT I didn't put on there because to my understanding, It has a different type of UG B-School.
on the rankings for undergrad business programs. Emory, ND, and BYU get shit BB recruiting.
I'd put
However, in order to land a job at top PE/HF out of school, you have to be at harvard or wharton. A few PE/HF recruit at Michigan, but minimal at best. The same can be said for Virginia.
i have never heard that term before....
UIUC = University of Illinois - Urbana Champaign
I heard they have some bad-ass partying up there
UVA is legit- let's not forget them.
can you provide some info on Silver Point?
hah i got photographed for the biz week rankings.
lets just say that didnt pick my best shot
Gilmore's my last name, biotch! There's not room for the two of us, dog! Greedy Gilmore #1, BABY!
what about indiana university-kelley school of business?
IU = The Best Place on Earth
Or close...
I'll be a senior at Kelley this year. Awesome school. Curriculum in incredible and job placement is top notch. Not at the level of Wharton or anything, but I know a lot of my freinds are working for BB's right now and recruiters really like our school. I think we dropped a bit because of our facilities. To be honest... they kind of suck for a top business program. The executive branch is amazing but UG is subpar. They're doing a huge remodel in 2 years I believe though.
The classes I've taken outside of Kelley are pretty bad though. I wouldn't be here if the business program wasn't good.
The University itself, as far as social life goes, is as good as it gets. Girls are the best in the Midwest (Miami U and Mich State are the only others even close from what I've seen). Parties are also out of control from Wed-Sat and the bar scene is packed (not to mention the bars don't close until 3am) and security is pretty light. Obviously this is irrelevant, but it just adds to the atmoshphere.
Not ragging on any other schools, I just love IU.
WU many moons ago. Not a big BB presence when I was there. I hear now that nearly all the BBs are recruiting analysts there for NYC & Chicago (more NYC). I've also heard Emory (not EMBRY RIDDLES, LOL)fairs well for analyst recruiting.
This year they placed:
GS: 3 MS: 1 Lehman : 4 Citigroup: 5 JP Morgan: 3 Bear Stearns: 4 Merrill : 1
Its no Wharton, but not too bad for a small school if you ask me.
is that emory as a whole or just their undergrad b-school program? if those stats are for emory as a whole, the school is pretty damn big
Undergrad business. They have about 250 in a graduating class.
Emory is more renowned for its pre-med programs.
Wasn't Emory #4 among undergrad b-schools this year according to the table at the top of this forum? Doesn't seem so bad for such a small school.
I don't know too much about the banking recruiting, but I do know its not impossible because there are numerous alumni that have successfully made it. If you network it can be done, and if you couldn't afford an extra 100K over four years, well it makes sense. I know this is the ibanking board, but i want to do S&T and pretty much all of the prop trading shops recruit on campus, and Microsoft hires more people from uiuc than anywhere else. like i said I know that doesn't help BB banking, but its possible. plus rent in Chi town is like half of Manhattan and girls here are hot
that list is MUCH diff. than us news & world report...odd
anyone figure why this list is so much different?
nyu may go down little more.
it may be #2 in Finance.....
but at the expense of all other majors.
this list is bogus.
get a real job, louisbw.
WTF man. NYU should have a SOLID hold on #2 after wharton, no doubt. At worst, maybe a tie with Michigan. If you're looking at it from a pure perspective of where the banks go to recruit, no question that Wharton and Stern are where the most candidates are taken.
I know of at least 40 juniors that have BB internships (and at least half of them being upper tier), and slightly more for full time starting this summer. And after looking at how many kids they take from Wharton, I'd have to say that Stern is damn competitive.
As for the other majors - it's only partially true- the school has solid professors and coursework across the board.
wtf. it's a damn insult to be ranked under Emory. I can't believe the value of my degree's being blown to bits by these idiots in BW.
well... #2 in finance, maybe. but what about other majors? b-school ranking is not all about finance. although it may have "solid" professors, it definitely lacks attentions of both school administration and those who bring in recruiters.
I can tell u for a fact it's not being ignored by admin (this coming from someone who basically works with admin daily)...not that I think where you end up as a job is necessarily the best ranking for a school. btw, from what i heard (from someone at the firm), nyu placed something like 45 ppl at GS last year, altho that includes every division/office. Not bad, that's exactly 10% of a class. nyu at 9th is just wrong...
For the record, I work with a lot of kids from Santa Clara. Most think that "banking" means standing behind 3 inch thick glass as a teller cashing paychecks. No way that school even belongs on this list, much less better than schools like BU, Penn State, W&M, etc
My home of Miami Univ. fell from #17 to #35 in one year...we aren't doing things that differently now, wonder how they changed their methodology/formulas
this list lacks consistency and therefore credibility. it is bogus and is highly biased toward smaller class sizes and private schools
3 of the top 5 are public schools. And I think that smaller class sizes are favored for a reason.
Carnegie Mellon's Tepper School, Wharton, and MIT tied for the highest average salaries ($54,764) for undergraduate business students graduating in 2006...
The best business schools are and everyone knows that.
1) Wharton
big drop
2) could be any of following (Berkeley, Stern (only for banking though) MIT, Michigan, Virginia)
the next tier UT Austin, UNC, Cornell, Carnegie Mellon
next
Indiana, Emory, ND
btw, wharton has a class size of ~600, not 800
emory has a lot to offer because of its small size and rigorous curriculum. the undergrad program has been working real hard to move up in the rankings.
kudos!
Wow, did my school take a nose dive this year. And I thought we were climbing our way up... Looks like Ill just have to become a rock star.
what date are these ranking as of?
jxtxdx: financial engeering has nothing to do with investment banking, and that really isn't the type of program undergrads should be taking. I doubt any reputable bank would recuit at SUNY Bing anyway.
I think people are getting too wrapped up in the rankings. What about schools like Bowdoin, Colgate and Middlebury; I know of someone at Holy Cross whose dad is a MD at Bear. Who do you think has a better shot at getting into banking, the Kelley or McCombs 3.3GPA from some asstown in Indiana or Texas, or the 3.0GPA roomate of the kid at Holy Cross who spent his junior summer sailing down the coast?
If you're just a kid trying to break into an industry in which you have no real connections, then your much better off at McCombs than any Liberal Arts School and almost any private school outside of the Ivy League.
Um, probably a much better chance at McCombs. McCombs send kids every year to all the BB's, as well as the top boutiques like Blackstone and Greenhill. Those small, Yankee LA colleges do not.
First of all, we have over 500 ugrads, not 800. I also agree with most of Dave's description. Additionally, we had a student go to SAC, i don't even think they normally recruit undergrad. We also usually have one kid a year that goes to Citadel. A bunch of people who cant cut it at BB banks/consultants or really prestigious financial firms still tend to find jobs at random funds or financial services firms. Its pretty hard not to get a job.
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