Numerous Candidates from IU Kelley Lying about Diversity Recruiting
There was a thread on here a couple of months ago calling out 2 candidates from IU Kelley that lied about their diversity status to receive offers at EB banks. I'm currently a student at IU Kelley and I can confirm these aren't the only candidates lying about diversity status, and off the top of my head others that have gotten away with it including the following:
- pretending to be another race who received a SA 2023 offer at a bulge bracket bank
- pretending to be another race who received a FT 2022 offer at a bulge bracket bank
- pretending to be another race, currently SA 2022 at EB Bank
- pretending to be another race, currently SA 2022 at EB Bank
- pretending to be another race, currently SA 2022 at MM bank
Hopefully, the professors in charge of these programs will stop allowing these candidates to get away with lying about race to boost the school's placement and ranking among Wall Street firms as it makes it extremely unfair to the rest of these candidates' peers who actually need to receive offers through merit.
I cannot believe anyone would do anything to sully the integrity of the deeply respectable practice of choosing candidates based upon their race.
We don't care if they're underrepresented you pussy. Make it the old fashioned way like every other race out there. Plus, if you really cared about immigrants/low income people, why don't you just adjust the diversity programs to target immigrants and poor people? Ofcourse you're not going to do that, cause that's not really what this is about, is it?
The funniest part of it is that 90% of the "diversity" kids are rich/upper middle class black/hispanic/woman gaming this scam
90+% of Asian kids have immigrant parents many of whom were raised in low income families....Don't you think that Asian kids from low income families are getting screwed over because their skin color disqualifies them from being considered "underrepresented" in college and corporate settings?
The fact that diversity only exists in the context of skin color highlights the superficiality of the corporate world
I've seen tons of "underrepresented" kids who have attended elite nyc private schools normally reserved for the top 0.001% and it's hard to make the case that they're disadvantaged
Cool- how do you know their family tree?
Nice defense. It's extremely obvious - if someone has a white name, doesn't speak another language and looks white it's pretty obvious no? Looks like a duck + quacks like a duck, it's likely a duck. Just because your 4th generation grandparents was "Latino" that really doesn't count and definitely doesn't allow you to have a "diverse" perspective.
I go to Kelley. Not one of those listed, but I’m a white looking kid with a white last name but my mom is Mexican and has a Hispanic last name so it doesn’t carry down. Whether you think this is just or not, people like me check the box and we are going to use it to our advantage. Be careful making accusations like this.
I think I found one of them. He looks so white 😫😫
Sounds like the solution is to just hire candidates based on merit
It’s so obvious. Everyone knows who they are. Idk how they just let it slide. That PWP kid was nowhere close to black idk how he tried to pull it off
I really want to see who this kid is lmaoo
LinkedIn. It’s pretty easy to see haha
Name and shame
I think if anything this is impressive lmfao, imagine trolling the system this fucking hard bro
How do you even pull off the gap between white and black? I understand the rest maybe but bro no wonder
I mean you gotta even think about it rationally, how else can a mid ass public school with a solid, but nowhere near Ivy tier program get placements at places like that
Agree ^ kudos to the hustler mindset
Think I know who you’re talking about from moco and pretty sure he’s actually spanish?
Pretty sure you're both color blind and extremely gullible...
If any of the aforementioned candidates can get away with diversity I honestly think every incoming SA candidate should just say their diverse. It literally increases their chance of getting a top-tier offer 30X.
"He's"
nice try bro, we know it's you
The post says "white male" lmao... pardon my 'assumption'?
Pretending to be black when you're actually white? Sigma male mind set.
Hispanic is one of the tougher ones to pin point. Less about color/appearance, more about last name/first name.
Lol I'm also a student at IU Kelley like OP and if you knew the names of the people he's talking about and what they look like I think you'd be pretty blown away how these candidates are getting away with it. Literally everyone within the IB community thinks it's one of the dumbest things. I normally hold the professor in charge of the program at an extremely high regard, it's honestly sad that he lets candidates lie about diversity to this level.
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If you look it up these are actually pretty egregious... kid in question looks like your stereotypical white Sig Chi frat guy from a wealthy area of NY. Red hair and pasty white. Hard to claim hispanic with that
Part of me wonders whether OP is just jealous and trying to backstab people who got better offers than him.
Nah I go to IU. Lying about diversity is 100% a problem here.
Lmao classic. IU Kelley gonna IU Kelley I guess. At the end of the day they still went to a junk school in a flyover state 😂😂
dawg how the hell you certified as an assistant 😭😭
LMAOOOO
Being an assistant is a cheat code bro. You can still say you work in investment banking and also work half the hours. EZ MONEY
If it’s such a great school why do people there lie about their race lol
Goes to show that diversity turns a non target into a target. Shoutout to the Kelley kids I don’t blame them, sounds like OP is mad they didn’t get a good offer or else they wouldn’t have wasted their time posting this in the first place. Who cares let them live with fact they abused the system that’s on them not you OP
OP responding here - No actually I'm joining a NY BB full-time this summer but will not name the firm in order to preserve my anonymity. I am not jealous or salty about where these kids got offers and I know for a fact it will eventually going to catch-up to them. The reason I am posting is in-order to advocate for my younger peers who are rising sophomores / juniors who will have a much harder SA recruitment process, full-time return offer selection process and eventually a tougher promotion path than all these "fake diversity" candidates. No to mention how you basically need a 4.0 GPA to even get an interview the IU IBW vs every "Diverse" candidate who automatically gets in.
Obviously in the current world that we live in, we need to advocate against the misuse of diversity recruitment anonymously in order to avoid cancel culture.
Fair points and I agree with much of what you said. Although I think the risk these people are taking is already enough and attempting to expose them doesn't benefit you at all, and just harms kids that are abusing an already BS system where "diverse" kids from great backgrounds land diversity programs that give them auto interviews.
Being both diverse and from a good background myself, I feel pretty bad using these programs because I have literally faced no adversity in my life but I automatically have a huge step up. I respect these kids because they are taking a huge risk just to be equal to me on a recruiting standpoint. I would get the whole "they are taking spots away" thing but the spots would've went to privileged "diverse" kids like me anyway (they always do in all 6 banking programs I was in, if you want to talk about that PM me I’ve got receipts). I would argue a white male from IU is more diverse than a mixed kid from Wharton or any other Ivy on wall street. Just my take on it, I've had it way too good to complain because through diversity I was able to land a top BB soph SA and didn't need to rerecruit soph year, that was a HUGE blessing.
Fuck it, let em ball
Do they have Indian accents? Wondering cuz that would be hilarious.
Side thought....how bad is your GPA that you have to fake diversity to get a slot at Guggenheim SA? Wow!
Wdym… Guggenheim is the most exclusive of all the EBs, even more than Centerview /s
He’s an older user on this site - he probably broke in when it was way easier (and probably wouldn’t be able to make it in today).
Guggenheim 😂
While I appreciate you pointing this out, I think you're casting a shadow on other IU kelley kids at these shops by saying where they're at. Now everyone is going to be combing through linkedin trying to find out who these people are and the innocent ones will be looked down on...
IU’s placements are sparse at EBs, so the only people working there are those that got in through diversity.
"combing through"
took me like 30 seconds to find who he was talking about bro lmfao
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100% they are. They went as far as to cover the kids ass
Wdym?
I am at BofA PA and there's an Indian male from Northwestern in the sophomore IBD program which I think only takes diversity candidates, so there's that lol
Bro I'm literally diversity what the fuck
Abusing diversity is the only reason why IU Kelley isn’t a non target. Every single IU Kelley post I see on here has people bragging about it’s placements. If all of its placements are diversity, is it really that impressive?
Quite literally not true, dude listed 2 examples and you're on to generalizing. If you check the IBW website and historical reports, you can see great placements for consistent periods of time.
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does he go to IU?
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Italians should be considered diversity imo, you ever been to the rough parts of New Jersey?
As a NJ Italian I agree lol! Biggest lynching in US history were on Italians in the South.
Everyone in the comments trying to dox this kid is a complete cheese-dick. OP is a clown among men for even putting this out there. Snitching anonymously like a total pussy when you could easily settle this with them in person. Total fucking beta move, guarantee OP will be the dude in his intern class that everybody hates and doesn't get a return offer no matter how hard he tries because no reasonable human being wants to be around such a twat.
Ima find out who OP is, lateral to the bank he's summering at and cum in his coffee every morning because I know he'll be too scared to tell on me unless he can do it anonymously .
I’m guessing this is one of the kids who was listed in this post🤣🤣
I'm not, you're all just pussies and it's sad. I would way rather work with someone that gamed the diversity recruitment system (which we all hate anyway) than some queer tattling on his class mates.
Lol you're mad as hell
He needs some blood pressure meds ASAP 😹
Actually no - I received an offer at a NY BB bank with no family connections or diversity. As I mentioned before, I'm simply advocating for my underclassman peers who will be sophomores next year. Many of them won't even get into the IBW simply to make room for some underqualified diverse candidate who will have another leg-up when going through SA recruiting.
There are literally 300 kids that apply for 80 IBW spots and literally 60/80 of these candidates will be "diverse". Also for everyone trying to call us out for not speaking up without anonymity, we obviously would if not for cancel culture. I obviously need to protect my own interests and not jeopardize being called "racist" for statistically pointing out how flawed diversity recruiting has become.
Cool, glad a white kid could define what Hispanic means to me!
You clearly don't understand the process well if you think that the current workshop is comprised of a high amount of diversity currently. Seems like you heard a few examples and got to writing this post.
I am the OP and I wanted to comment to address you calling me out.
What is your solution to all this diversity recruiting run amuck? If 50% of these spots automatically go to woman, another 25% go to URM and the ivy league boarding school clowns get another 15% reserved for them, how do you want the semi-target non-diverse candidate to succeed? You're literally defending people lying about diversity in-order to get access to separate recruitment processes that further make it more difficult for middle-class candidates to succeed.
Is the solution for 100% of candidates to just suck it up and lie about diversity? This is honestly seems to be the trend in which things are escalating towards. I'm honestly fine with some form of socio-economic diversity that is race blind, but when the IBW and all these IB's don't even give us a chance what does that leave us with?
Instead of using ad-hominem and threatening to "cum in my coffee", why don't you offer some form of a rationale solution or middle ground here. Going from a 10% diverse IBW class to a 60% diverse IBW class in the matter of 2 years is not fair and should not be allowed.
The middle ground is mind your own business and quit being a whiney little bitch. If that's still not enough for you, take it up with someone in the program who can actually make a change. Get a group of your peers and complain to the dean of the school (though I get the impression you don't have any friends). Don't snitch on a bunch of people anonymously online you little pussy. Is that really your ideal response to adversity? Snitch on people anonymously? Pathetic man, learn to be assertive you little pussy.
Also, that's not a threat. I WILL cum in your coffee. And you will do nothing about it besides make an anonymous WSO post "Senior Associate Keeps Cuming in My Coffee - Somebody Please Make it Stop", because you're gay and whiney and lack talent
This is great. Keep lying about your diversity status, kids!
OP - You’re a pussy and I hope you get your ass kicked.
Translation: "Yeah kids, keep lying and exploiting a broken system, who cares about morals now-a-days. OP fuck you for having integrity and actually succeeding through legit merit I hope you get your ass kicked"
Oh how far American society has fallen
Lying about Diversity is extremely common at IU. My boy is apart of the IBW and needed a 4.0 to even get interviews at BB/EB. He told me that 1 in every 5 student caps. What typically happens is these kids realize they aren’t competent enough to compete with the rest of non diversity students and take spots away from people who would benefit from it. It’s pathetic
Whoever decided that name dropping the professor was a great idea you are sorry asf. A man’s career shouldn’t be at stake due to the incompetence of whack state school students.
SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE IU/SEMITARGET/DIVERSITY IS PARADISE
There already is one, just bumped it
All you little ladies dropping names and doxing as anon. Oh the irony.
Associate 2 (obviously he’s anon) tried doxing me, I wont even post as anon anymore lol. He’s doxed the totally wrong person thinking it’s me
Quite obvious he’s one the kids listed in this post
Lmfaooo but your LinkedIn says you did the SEO, which is clearly diversity, when you’re as white as can be. Nice try bud.
The pain of failing to break into IB has made you quite a prick man. Don't dox people just because they made it further than you in life, mkaaay?
Thanks for the heads up OP, will make sure we (continue) our rule of not hiring anyone out of IU Kelley.
Damn I wish I was this prestigious...
You sound like an entitled clown
Why identify as another race while you can identify LGBTQ+?
https://www.axios.com/2022/02/17/lgbtq-generation-z-gallup
They gonna call you out with these stats?
I remember someone on here creating a post mentioning how his gay VP started hitting on him and he was asking for advice because he wasn’t actually LGBT. So it can come back to get you.
Although the + in LGBT+ is very ambiguous. Questioning? Asexual (most virgins on this site including me could pass lol) and some of the others are difficult to disprove.
I will say thought that if you go down that path you’ll be the analyst speaking at all these diverse events and interviewing for diversity recruiting. You will have to clearly show your enthusiasm for the system and I think that’s the part that will get people even if they fall into a vaguer bracket such as questioning or asexual.
How bad do you want the job...
Lmao as a black person it’s weird to see people want to be black in certain situations where they can benefit. Y’all so spoiled
Fr fr. As an Asian it's always hilarious (and sad) to see conservatives bring us up as their bludgeon / weapon against other minorities then go back to shitting on us when we're no longer convenient weapons.
Doxing is a real asshole move, regardless of the circumstances. AndyLouis leave it to you guys to decide, but suggest thread be locked - names are out, pics being posted. Wouldn't be surprised if some of these idiots are trolling these kids on LinkedIn.
Agree, even for the kids involved. I'm sure it will catch up to them eventually.
FWIW those pics being posted are not of the kids involved - reverse image search them. lots of names on here though
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Looks like IU Kelley is a fun place
It’s fun when you can just sit back and watch it unfold
can concur to this
Everyone justifying this and using it as an an “own” against the system clearly don’t have properly functioning frontal lobes or the actual qualities to get offers at these firms. Diversity recruiting is used for the benefit of realigning these firms with the actual makeup of the US today and not a 1960s caricature out of a Mad Men scene. Esp since these firms have literally been responsible for the incessant poverty that plagues underrepresented communities, it’s the least they can fucking do to “make things right.” Def agree that black/Latino kids that went to private boarding schools or never experienced real adversity due to a privileged upbringing may unfairly gain an advantage over working class whites/others, but have some fucking class and do it yourself (You’ve had 400 years to do so).
Liberals are the biggest racists. What, blacks and latinos are too retarded to get into IB without cheatcodes so we have to design special programs for them to get in? 75 years ago the Japanese were put into internment camps on US soil and the Chinese were still starving farmers living under Mao's dictatorship. Yet as far as I can tell Asians don't have issues doing well in interviews - of course, as long as they're not actively discriminated against because they represent the minority liberals don't want to see, that is, the minority that succeeds without any undue advantage.
You do realize implicit racial biases are inherent in every system, particularly when they were never meant to include those “types” of people in the first place. Blacks and Latinos suffer from the greatest social, economic, and political disadvantages of any race due to centuries of discriminatory policies and general unconcern for their plight. Government funding for HBCUs continues to be lackluster and the students there probably wouldn’t even get looks if it weren’t for diversity programs. You bringing up Asians only further perpetuates the model minority myth and is a cop out for actually addressing the realities of minorities in this country. Maybe if you stop looking at things through the gaze of the white guy that got left out and use logic + historical/economic data, you’ll be able to see what I’m saying.
Lmao the Indian one is legendary 😂
To all who support these discriminatory hiring policies disguised as equitable dealings, what did you think would happen?
looool this thread is out of control. So many sub-plots and sub-battles, can't keep up.
It has been funny reading this discussion but it wasn’t right to reveal their identities. I have seen cases when something funny turns into a version of bullying in no time, and looking at the popularity of this thread they can even have their offers rescinded.
Good
Why is OP so salty? Also at the end of the day if something like this is happening it seems like it'd make more sense not to post about this because its a bad look for future recruiting. Trying to understand the thought process behind this lol
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Can I get a kiss?
As a kid that is transferring from IU Kelley to UVA, I haven't been more shocked and amused in my life
probs wouldnt get an offer out of IU anyway or any other semi-target, even w being in ECMG, etc
lol wut
I'm half-latino (Mom is from South America). Both of my parents are first-generation immigrants. Spanish was actually my first language. When I was young, my parents stopped speaking to me in Spanish because I was falling behind in school and not learning English fast enough. I then grew up in a white community and was ashamed of my Spanish heritage because I felt different, so I never tried to re-learn speaking it, although I can understand everything. I know I'm bringing a different perspective/viewpoint and am at the top of my intern class so far. Am in the process of re-learning Spanish but will probably take me 1-2 years to get there.
But yeah since I look "white", have a "white" last name, and don't speak Spanish fluently the guy who made this post would probably say I'm a fake latino and don't deserve to be there.
If these kids are blatantly lying, fuck them. But if you don't have the full picture or the full details, don't say anything. I saw on that kid's LinkedIn he grew up in Mt. Vernon, which is a super poor area of New York with a huge latino population. How do you know his Mom isn't Spanish?
Not sure if you're joking or not, but he's from Mt. Vernon High School in Fortville, Indiana, which is 93% white and if not well off, a solidly middle class town. I used to live in Indiana and that's my recollection of Fortville, at least - the demographics at least are supported by online data.
oh my bad, I just saw Mt. Vernon and was familiar with the town in New York (I live in Jersey)
Though I was completely serious about my background/story.
DU MA
Objectively speaking you would be “fake diversity” because by your own words you grew up in an affluent white neighborhood meaning you had access to virtually all the same resources upper class whites do minus the nepotism piece (but Asians don’t have access to that either).
yes, my house was physically located in the community but just because you live there doesn't mean you have access to the resources or even know where to find them
you're still excluded because you're not 100% like them
Why would they get fired? Didn't Elizabeth Warren do this exact thing and she is still a Senator. I am not sure you can get fired for checking the wrong box on a portion of the application that is federally prohibited to impact hiring outcomes.
They didn't check the wrong box, they went through specific diversity programs.
As far as Liz, unfortunately the only way to fire her is to vote her out (same dynamic with a lot of elected officials - look into elected sheriffs and how much insane blatant corruption and misdeeds goes on because they're effectively insulated from any real consequences).
On a practical level, what are you going to do? Give every intern a 23andme? This is not even beginning to go down the rabbit hole of the widely accepted idea of fluid gender/race in universities and corporate America. I am not saying if what the OP said is true that there is nothing morally wrong with what these students may have done. What I am saying is that, unless someone admits they lied, these corporations are not going to sit an intern down, say "you look too white", and fire them.
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OP why don't you just report them to HR with proof they lied?
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