Project Finance Director - Ask Me Anything

Hi all,

Long time poster/follower of WSO. I am a Director within the Power and Renewables PF group at a bank. I don't see too many posts about project finance, so figured I would try to be a resource for folks who are interested in the career path or just curious about what it entails. I'm about 12 years out of school and have worked on both the developer and banking side. I focus on originating new loans for the bank.

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Hi I could talk with you for hours about this space and career paths/options. I currently work in the Power & Renewables space on the IB side and am wondering if you feel like the hours are more reasonable as a Director on the lending/bank side vs the advisory IB side? Still fairly early in my career, (only 2 years), really enjoy the modeling and the work involved in these transactions so I know I want to stay in the general space in some capacity. Thank!  

 

Yes, hours on lending side are typically much less than on the advisory side. Junior folks on my team typically work 40-60 hours a week and rarely on weekends. Obviously when a deal is closing that can be higher, but that's the exception rather than the rule. My hours are similar, although I do more traveling to see clients and go to conferences.

 

Thank you for the response! If you don't mind my asking since hours less do you see a significant impact on comp? What do the VP, Director, MD make as TC for PF lending?

Edit: Just saw your comment to someone else below, do you mind if you can specify what PF bank you are at, not exact name but if its a US/Canadian/Japanese/European bank?

For those looking for the TC response.

  • Director: $250-300k Base + 250-450k Bonus = $500-750k total comp
  • Managing Director: $350-400k Base + $350-800k Bonus = $700k-1.2mm total comp
 

Hello, thanks for doing this. I am very curious what project finance entails and what comps looks like from your experience from the junior side?

 

Project finance is a type of lending where your sole source of repayment is single project (or portfolio of projects) vs. an entire company. It is frequently used for large infrastructure and energy projects that have long-term fixed price revenue contracts. PF banking is a mix of commercial and investment banking - typically we will be lending the bank's balance sheet, but also syndicating a portion of our deals.

 

Hi! Spent some time doing project finance and got the sense that doing PF at a bank where we didn't win deals was a little boring. Dotting the i's and crossing the t's instead of getting creative with structuring felt mundane. Also felt frustrating to be constantly competing against other banks and not really develop organic relationships with developers as a result and also made analyzing deals feel very binary. Does any of this change as you get senior, or is the tradeoff here the nice WLB? Thank you!

 
  • It doesn't matter line of business you are in, if you don't win deals its going to be boring!
  • Can't speak to the bank you were working at, but at mine we can get a bit creative (as long as it generally fits within our credit box)
  • Competing against other banks is just the nature of banking - this is capitalism
  • We develop relationship with all our clients. I typically meet with my clients in person 2x year and speak on the phone at least 4x a year.
  • The more senior you get, the more relationship work you do, but that is true of every banking group
 

Appreciate you doing this - I did 3 years in energy IB + a few years in corporate (at a developer now doing PF), but I wish I had something where I work a bit more, with higher comp.

Do you think it’s feasible to lateral in your late 20s to a PF role at a bank? Is it worth doing?

I have the impression that long term you can make more in banking vs corporate. I’d also like to diversify beyond renewables given the current happenings in the US. What would you recommend I do?

Thanks!

 

100% - especially since you spent time on the banking side already I think there would be a lot of appetite for your experience. I would keep an eye out for PF/renewable roles within banking on LinkedIn and apply to them, try to network with folks in the group if you can figure out who they are, and also try to connect with recruiters. Typically recruiters in PF recruit for both banks and developers. If you are good they will get you in front of banks.

 

Hi, to piggyback off the original comment. I am in a pretty similar boat except I'm still very much new (1 year experience) and have never done banking before.

I am currently doing CF & Strategy work for a listed company with business in the energy sector. Do you think my experiences can translate well into PF/M&A in an IB, as I'm also working on some transactions/fundraising activities for the group?

 

This path is very intriguing to me. I am currently in Valuation at a Big 4 and work primarily in the Power/Utilities/Renewables sectors and work on enterprise/equity valuations for financial reporting/pre-deal/strategic purposes. I get to see a lot of the financing structures of the devleopers projects that I value (I.e., tax equity investors, project-level debt, backleverage, etc) and find it all very interesting. In your opinion, do you think I can leverage my experience with valuing these types of projects/companies and experience in project financial models to pivot into project finance? Have you seen anyone or know anyone with a background in valuation work in this space?

 

Is lending or advisory work in PF better for juniors as learning? Currently an analyst in a PF and I’ve indicated my preference to only do advisory work (due to my M&A background), wondering if my lack of lending experience will come to bite me in the future.

 

Incoming Analyst at a top group for P&U coverage. We have a seperate PF/Infra financing team. So more Power and Utilities + other adjacent coverage

Want to make the most of my analyst experience, become a killer modeller etc. but I am not passionate about the space. Any tips on how to make my experience more fruitful?

 
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Stupid ass comment... "hey thanks for doing this AMA...I'm going to a top group in your space but i don't rly like the sector at all and think your work is boring. Any way to trick myself into liking it before i leave for something i actually like and leave you chumps behind?"

 

Can you talk about the differences between bank project finance vs. developer project vs. developer project valuation (general culture, skill set, exit opps)

 

The culture in PF at a developer can really vary depending on what developer you are at and what hte senior folks are like within the group. I would say generally, developers may be a little more intense/stressful than at a bank because the entire company is riding on what you do. 

Skillset is very similar for bank PF and developer PF. If anything the modeling is probably more intense on the developer side. 

Exit opps: Have seen folks go from a developer to bank PF, private equity and private credit at the junior levels, so pretty good options if you are coming form a big name developer where you got a lot of experience. Valuation groups might have an easier time going to PE vs. private credit or a bank, but you can probably get your foot in the door if you really wanted.

 

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The culture in PF at a developer can really vary depending on what developer you are at and what hte senior folks are like within the group. I would say generally, developers may be a little more intense/stressful than at a bank because the entire company is riding on what you do. 



Skillset is very similar for bank PF and developer PF. If anything the modeling is probably more intense on the developer side. 



Exit opps: Have seen folks go from a developer to bank PF, private equity and private credit at the junior levels, so pretty good options if you are coming form a big name developer where you got a lot of experience. Valuation groups might have an easier time going to PE vs. private credit or a bank, but you can probably get your foot in the door if you really wanted.






Agreed working at a developer is more stressful

 

Do you think it is worth making the jump to an American bank's PF team for comp/trajectory/overall growth? Currently on a PF team for a foreign BS bank and see that there is a large comp discrepancy at assoc+ here, but the lifestyle is good here (50-60 hrs with some higher depending on live deals).  Would expect significantly more hours at the American counterparts due to advisory work 

 

The foreign banks are big in the PF space, so it comes down to what you care about long term. Do you want to do PF lending or advisory? Advisory may have more exit opps to buyside. PF lending or advisory can translate into private credit. Also, hard to tell you what do as I dont know how much you value work life balance. That's an important consideration for me, which is one reason why I like where I am (as opposed to private credit or PE where the WLB would be much worse, but would get paid more).

 

Thanks - I guess my current leaning is towards comp over lifestyle at this stage (2nd yr analyst). That being said I prefer the lending work to advisory work generally so maybe private credit would be a better next step rather than an another bank? In your experience generally how does the workstreams/lifestyles differ between private credit and PF lending? If it helps my team works on both energy and infra projects but I am more interested in the infra space (specifically social infra), which we unfortunately don't do a lot of deals in

 

Thanks for doing this. Curious to hear your thoughts on OBBBA phasing out IRA era PTCs/ITCs and eventual shutdown of transfer markets. I’ve only been in this space for 3 years, but the senior bankers on my team have been through a lot of cycles, and aren’t really worried (and neither am I to be honest- I believe renewables is the future, one way or another). Seems like well capitalized developers/sponsors in the space will win out in the long run (Pine Gate seems to be the first casualty). 


Also,  how was the transition from junior process manager to senior relationship manager? Were these relationships cultivated organically as the people who sat across/with you on deals rose through the ranks in tandem? 

 

Not concerned at all for a couple reasons: 1) all the big renewable developers are safeharboring equipment so that they get essentially another 3-4 years of runway to complete projects and claim the ITC, 2) massive increase electricity demand means that there will be significant additional generation being built of all forms, 3) we finance thermal and renewable generation, so regardless of which way the political winds blow, we will be busy

It's a mix of relationships that I developed over the years in the industry, certain accounts being handed to me, and attending conferences and meeting new potential clients. The shift from VP (deal QB) to relationship manager wasn't too challenging because I'm a people person and I like talking to clients (and have experience on that side of the table as a developer).

 

thanks for doing this!

I’m an engineering student (2nd year) who did some estimating at a large infrastructure general contractor during my freshman summer. What advice would you have for someone like myself with a bit of a non traditional background trying to break in? I’m on two investment clubs, but am still finding my lack of finance experience is an issue. Also finding through networking that a lot of banks aren’t hiring interns for their PF teams. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks again!

 

I had a general question. Should I commit to a non-target or go to cc and shoot for my chances at a target or semi target? I might end up being a junior transfer since that is the requirement for schools like UC Berkeley and UCLA, would that put me at a disadvantage since my time there is so much less compared to other students?

 

Hey, I have been reading about PF in renewables, do you think demand for PF roles will keep growing or is it already pretty saturated? And how is it different from corporate or investment banking work day to day?

 

I've been preparing for broad m&a recruitment but have realized I'm really interested in project finance (also more in line with my experience) - how would you reccomend preparing for Project Finance recruitment/how do interviews differ from general IB?

 

Thanks for doing this. Wanted to ask if it's common to go into project finance right out of undergrad? Also, which banks have good project finance spaces? And why do you think there's so little information online about project finance? Where can I learn more? Tysm. 

 
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I assume most, if not all, PF groups hire out of undergrad. I assume the reason there is less info out there as compared to Investment Banking is it's a relatively niche space and the US PF groups hire comparatively small #s of folks compared to the overall Investment Banking business. 

The following is the league table rankings from FY2023 from Infralogic for US Power and Renewables Lending: MUFG, SocGen, SMBC, First Citizens, ING, Mizuho, Santander, KeyBanc, NBC, CoBank, Credit Ag, Natixis, NordLB, BNP Paribas, CIBC, Nomura, HSBC, BMO, Wells Fargo, Rabo

 

Highly recommend GreenBridge Infrastructure as a seriously good resource for junior talent looking to navigate the landscape, understand core concepts, practice modeling, and even find roles (their job board is well curated). It's pretty common to have a financial modeling test during an interview process so I'd recommend getting a few reps in - it will also help you understand the role, the fundamental concepts, and provide a clear demonstrated interest in the space.

 

What is the typical recruiting timeline, and what does the general recruiting process look like? Does it differ from traditional IB, or is it less networking heavy etc? Thanks.

 

Taking a long shot here that you still are replying to comments here. (Thank you in advance if you do get to this)

I'm really interested in joining a PF/M&A Energy and Infra Advisory kind of team at a bank. I'm currently doing PF and M&A at one of the renewable IPP majors in the US. I work on a very small platform team that focuses on niche small scale Solar and BESS Projects/Opps. The debt and construction financing is really vanilla for our projects and not really a modeling skill and subject matter I'm really developing any expertise in. I am learning a lot about modeling ITC and TE structures but am no where near a true SME. PTC and Wind would also be a struggle for me. 

In your opinion - would my current role still be something a Bank would value or would I need to demonstrate I have a really good understanding of and experience with modeling more complex construction and debt financing structures? My exp before this role is a bit unconventional - mainly on the energy markets/offtake/revenue side and I worked at a large strategy consulting firm covering P&U for 3 yrs.

 

I would imagine you could get your foot in the door to an interview at a bank with your background. How you do in the interview would probably depend on how much you prepare. I would suggest taking a Pivotal 180 course to increase your modeling skillset. The best angle I would think would be to try to get into the general PF group at the IPP doing debt capital raises and more utility scale work. Good luck!

 

Thanks for doing this! It’s great to get insight from someone with experience on both the developer and banking side. I’d love to hear what skills or experiences you’d recommend building early for someone aiming for a career in project finance, especially in Power and Renewables.

 

Thanks again for doing this — I really appreciate it.

Out of curiosity, what’s your perspective on Zions? While they’re a smaller platform relative to some of the larger banks in the space, they appear to be consistently active across project finance and renewable transactions.

What’s your view on their long-term trajectory and strategic direction in the market?

 

There's a lot, but some bigger ones I can think of off the top of my head: NextEra, Invenergy, Avantus, DESRI, Longroad, Intersect, Pattern, EDPR, Clearway, Arevon, Copia Power, Cordelio, Brightnight, Innergex

There's also many many smaller developers that have talented people and strong pipelines, where you can learn just as much and take on more responsibility early.

 

What are the most common exit opportunities you’ve seen from PF lending and advisory banking roles for professionals who started out of school as Analysts? What are the chances of transitioning into Private Credit, Infrastructure Credit, or Private Equity?

 

Hey, hopefully you are still answering. By chance, do you know what would be considered competitive compensation out of undergrad for a PF bank? I am looking to break into the industry and was just wondering what it was like compared to some other roles, like infra IB.

 

Hey, thanks for doing this thread. I'm a current undergrad with an upcoming PF internship at a BB. What do you think is the best path from here to enter the infra space and for potential exits? Would you look at recruiting for P&U IB roles, staying on the PF team and looking to move to an infra PE fund or P&U group after that, or moving to an IPP?

 

Thank you so much for doing this. I’m very interested in the infrastructure and energy space and have recently started learning more about project finance as well. In the US the infrastructure landscape seems more fragmented in terms of how banks structure their teams, with some firms integrating project finance within infrastructure or energy groups, while others maintain project finance as a separate product team. It’s also interesting that industrials, energy, and infrastructure are often siloed despite meaningful overlap, particularly now with areas like data centers sitting at the intersection of infrastructure, energy, and TMT. I’m still trying to develop a clearer framework for how to think about project finance versus broader infrastructure or energy coverage roles. I would love to hear your perspective on how the day to day work and skill development differ for junior bankers and how someone early in their career might think about choosing between those paths. As someone still relatively new to the space, I’d also love to hear what questions are helpful to ask when trying to understand how teams are structured across different firms.

Separately if you are interested in project finance and both infrastructure advisory how do you think it’s best to study from a modelling perspective?

Apologies for the long question and thank you again for any insights you are willing to share.

 
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Project Finance: Primarily lending function, although there can also be a syndication component - however, this is often a separate group within the bank or PF group. Key workstreams are negotiating term sheet, financial modeling, due diligence (reviewing 3rd party consultant reports, asking Q&A), preparation of a credit memo, review and commenting on legal documentation.

Advisory: More traditional IB, you are managing the process vs. making an investment. Preparation of the financial model and CIM are the main focus, as well as managing Q&A. there are some specialty advisory shops that focus on PF deals, but mostly this is related to the selling and buying of companies and projects themselves

Personally, I find PF more interesting because I like diving into the details of projects and companies and I also like the concept of evaluating risk and investing capital. I think you will get good experience in both cases for whatever you might do after as long as you work hard and are genuinely curious about what you are doing.

Modeling for PF is specialized, take a look at Pivotal 180 or other specialized online classes.

 

Would the pivotal 180 course be useful for someone entering renewables IB? or are the models they use different

 

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