Snitch on Friend Who Lied to Get SA Offer?
I have a friend who lied to get her summer analyst internship at Morgan Stanley IBD for this upcoming summer. I came across her resume and realized half of the internships are bogus. She made up positions and titles; paid third party vendors to vouch for her internship experiences (comparable to those third party vendors who write college admissions essays to get Chinese nationals into U.S. schools).
She turned school club activities into work experience. The activities she actually didn't lie about were also skewed: overinflated titles (intern position was titled as "analyst") and lied about the dates.
She turned a part-time 1 month internship to a full-time 3 month job in order to cover up the fact that she took a leave of absence from school. She pretended to participate in all of her club activities throughout the year she took a leave of absence, even though she wasn't at school.
She covered up the fact that she took a year off from school and is now applying as an "overachieving junior graduating early" rather than "a senior graduating late because of a year-long vacation."
The reason I could piece this all together is because I've known her whereabouts over the past four years.
I have mixed feelings about this. I work at a BB myself and know what procedures I could take to report her shoddy resume to HR at Morgan Stanley. But she's still a friend. Should I be proactive and report it, or just let her do her internship. She'll probably fail to get an offer anyway?
What do you get out of her getting her offer revoked and meeting her downfall?
snitch on the bitch. lots of lads and girls paying their due share in efforts not even getting interviews.
Extort her first
Sounds like the intro to a juicy porno
"I'm sure we can come to an arrangement"
You sound so butthurt and bitter. Did she turn you down at some point and this is how you plan on getting back at her? You knowing her whereabouts for the last 4 years makes you sound like a stalker.
If you already have a job, which your post seems to indicate, who cares? Not your problem at all and HR is likely going to get to the bottom of it anyway. Of course you're going to get a bunch of young kids saying your should screw her over too because they don't know how real life works yet and they somehow think that if her offer gets scrapped it somehow opens a spot for them.
She can't turn me down, I'm a girl.
If you're wondering why I'm bitter, its because I work with sexist pigs like you all day long.
You claim that the guy calling you bitter is sexist, but I literally do not know of one male friend or acquaintance who would be brazen enough to snitch someone out like that. Your envy just speaks to the regrettable and unbecoming cattiness that exists between women.
If you can't take the heat, gtfo the kitchen. It seems like you haven't been working that long and if you're already so salty about it this is likely not the right industry for you.
This speaks to iggs comment too in that while sexism certainly does still exist, nothing tears women down like other women.
I guarantee I'm going to get shit for this...but it's questions like your OP that further the stereotypes you're trying to avoid. it's fine to be mad, but focus on bettering yourself, not tearing others down.
who the fuck ever told you life was fair?
Blackmail her. Make her your sex slave.
You seem like an amazing friend. Despite the fact that her behavior is despicable, it would never cross my mind to rat out a FRIEND, unless my own job was on the line for it and even then ...
What do you gain out of this?
Some people want their friends to have a shred of moral fiber
Snitches get stitches.
I love how the comments have some correlation with the poster's title. Most of the "students" are taking the "Yea, knock her down and curb stomp her cause you know, ethics". While the people already working are in the "Don't get involved, its an no win situation" camp. Now, I'm going to sit back, grab some popcorn, and continue to watch this shit show.
Sometimes, life will put a person completely deserving of extreme punishment in front of you and then hand you a loaded gun. I have been in a few of these situations in my life.
The immediate emotional pay off from pulling the trigger will likely seem extremely high.
Nonetheless, you need to be terribly, terribly careful in these situations.
In almost all of these types of vigilante justice situations, I would strongly recommend you put the gun down and walk away.
At the very least, do this out of self-interest for your own material well-being, as the emotional rush of delivering vigilante justice can cloud your view on the real situation and the potential repercussions.
With the benefit of a few more years of life experience, I'd also recommend walking away out of self-interest for your soul. It sounds like this "friend" will fuck up at some point due to her nature and justice will be done. Leave it to that. There's no need to get blood on your hands here.
In an amazing plot twist, the OP is vetting his/her plan to try and Mike Ross the system. WSO you just got shyamalan'ed.
OP,
I bet you and your friend are East Asian women. Don't worry, I am an Asian male.
Thanks for the advice-
I'm going to let HR do its thing. Like I said in my original post, she probably won't end up with an offer anyway and I agree with the sentiment that these things tend to have a way of sorting themselves out.
As for why I sounded so resentful of my "friend" - the person in question is from an extraordinarily wealthy family and has essentially paid people to construct a resume for her, paid people to vouch for her extracirrics, paid tutors to write her essays for her. For her upcoming Summer Analyst stint, her parents bought her a one-bedroom apartment across the street from Morgan Stanley. (Yes. In NYC. Hard cash).
She took an absence from college to live in 5 star hotel rooms in Puerto Rico and Italy for a year... She was certainly not working or breaking her back like so many kids I know have done for three years straight to land an internship like this. When the type of person who is racist towards minorities, classist towards low-income and welfare recipients, judgmental of MO and BO roles, LIES to get an internship she doesn't deserve... It doesn't matter if she's my friend - principle overrules.
Yeah, life's not fair. I get it. I'm pretty sure HR isn't going to catch this one. But I'll keep with the faith that karma will take hold when it comes to offer time.
Guess what? Kids from wealthy families get breaks all the time that don't fall to the rest of us. Who cares? There is nothing you can do about it. She may not have even needed to forge her resume to get a job.
A couple of first-hand stories about how life works:
A girl I dated in college was the daughter of the CEO of a Fortune 100 company. She was studying some BS liberal arts major (anthropology or something like that) and viewed herself as an activist and would frequently go to anti-business protests (she was really hot so I was able to overlook that). Anyways, a couple of years later she graduates and moves to NYC without having anything lined up. She had zero interest in finance or business in general and as mentioned above was more or less against big corporations. I run into her later that summer, and she's working in IB at one of the top BBs. Her dad simply made a call a couple of weeks before the analyst program started, and she was handed a spot. She hated it and left after 6 months. She then landed at a top ad agency after another call from daddy.
Another girl I got to know when she took a finance internship after graduating from a top target (again, nothing lined up ahead of graduation) came from a very wealthy and connected family. As her internship was closing out, she took a trip to NYC with her mom and more or less went on a road show having dinner with the CEOs from a few BBs. Again, mom just made a call, and the dinners were scheduled with people like Jamie Dimon and John Mack. She was also given a place in the IB analyst class at a BB without going through the process. Similar to my ex-gf, she washed out in less than a year.
The point I am trying to make is that there is by no means a level playing field so don't worry about it. Focus on you and doing whatever you can to control your own destiny. Other people are dealt a different hand, and how they want to play it is up to them (crooked or straight).
Don't really understand a lot of these posts... Since when is fabricating things on a resume "hustle"? Or reporting unethical behavior being a "rat" or "snitch" (a term with highly negative connotations)? There are plenty of kids out there who bust their ass, have high grades/scores, relevant internships, do things the right way, and can't even get an interview. Yet when someone lacks any morsel of integrity and bullshits, it's a-ok and all hustle... Makes sense.
The funny thing is, if this post was about someone lying about their race/ethnicity to get in through the affirmative action channel everybody would be up in arms about how unethical the individual was. Yet with fake internships, fake titles, fake descriptions, third parties paid to lie in her favor... hey, no big deal.
I'd report this in a heartbeat.