Was it worth it?

Hey guys,


I'm currently a rising sophomore at a US based school that regularly sends kids to top-ranked investment banks post-graduation, and I wanted to hop on to get some general career advice.  For some context, compared to my peers, I come from pretty humble roots so I don't have the most exposure to these corporate jobs and I didn't even hear the words "investment banking" until I set foot in college. Because of that, I'm having a hard time understanding the value proposition behind it that everyone seems to be chasing. People regularly talk about how you'll suffer a shit-ton for two years but it's the best pivot into buy-side roles, but just based off what I've read online, buy-side doesn't seem all that much better. 

Please correct me if i'm mistaken, but my understanding is sure your WLB improves, but that means instead of 80/90 hours a week you'll work 60/70, which is a significant change don't get me wrong, but you're also working under more stressful conditions where your work directly relates to the performance of your fund rather than just doing mindless excel/ppt work for 80 hours a week. Aside from that, I see people regularly leaving roles in high-finance for other CF related roles like Strategic Finance/FP&A for instance, but in that case what was the point of suffering through the stress of going through banking recruiting and then working those painfully long hours for 2-3 years? If you were looking to work in corporate finance from the beginning, wouldn't it make more sense to start your career in those companies in the first place or in similar roles? In fact, I was reading on mergers and inquisitions that people with Big 4 backgrounds even have advantages in those cases (though I looked through LinkedIn and while ex- Big 4 did have more people in CF, I didn't see THAT big of a disparity myself). I know a lot of people saying they want to get into buyside from the jump which is why they wanna do IB, but as 19 year old students, I can't understand how these guys seem to know exactly that that's what they wanna do for the rest of their lives, especially since the vast majority of us can't say we've experienced it at this age.  I realize that for those who don't know entirely what they want to do, IB might seem appealing since it "opens doors" and presents people with a good amount of exit opportunities after doing a 2-year stint. If that's the argument, then isn't consulting a better route to consider? Consulting isn't nearly as big at my school compared to IB so I apologize if i'm wrong, but from what I know, doesn't consulting open a lot more doors than investment banking? (excluding buyside investing roles) The tradeoff comes with a hit to compensation figures (25% less from what I've seen on ManagementConsulted against Mergers and Inquisitions) and I guess the frequent travel being a pain in the ass, but on paper don't consultants have access to a greater variety of exits than investment bankers? If they realize later on that the job they picked wasn't for them, I've heard that they're also the best careers that feed into MBAs, which they could then use to pivot into something else (though i know that not a lot of people have the luxury of considering an MBA). 


I see so many people talking about how investment banking and buyside as the be-all-end-all and looking at it as some sort of holy grail, but I honestly just can't seem to understand why. I'd love to hear from anyone who's been in my position before, and hear about your decision-making process and how your experiences have been so far and what your long-term goals might be.  Any response is appreciated, thanks!

 
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It would depend on how much you value free time and your interests, family, friends, hobbies and a relationship which may lead to more early on in life. In high-profile corporate jobs, a lot of things in life could be delayed until you are on "more stable footing".

I recently left my 20s, I am still not married, my gf and I may never get married, I have lost friends along the way - and made new ones. Lived and worked around the world, traveled a lot and brought in new business. At the end of the day, this is a lifestyle question.

My friends from the small town I grew up in looked for local jobs without a degree, they worked themselves up, made enough to buy a house and married/settled down in their 20s. There is nothing wrong with doing it that way. At the end of the day, after having spent more than a decade of my life with big city life, it would be difficult to give everything up and transition back to small town life. I am a country boy and I miss that lifestyle, but there is no going back to being a waiter or helping out at the local garage/fix cars.

 

Slaved away for 2 years, but really happy with my work now. 60 hour weeks aren't that bad for me (9am - 8pm, 5 hours on weekend give or take) and I make some really good money. To each their own

 

If you don’t mind me asking what do you work in and what is your comp like?

 

If you don't mind me asking what do you work in and what is your comp like?

350k @ UMM PE NYC

 

Let’s not kid ourselves, the reason you do IB is for the money you’ll make from it throughout your life. It’s a concrete well trodden path that if you play your cards right, you can choose to become rich by sticking around in IB for a while (MD for example) or absurdly rich by moving to buy side and killing it for many years till your now built up fat carry kicks in. It’s one of the most “consistent” ways to make a huge amount of money compared to riskier endeavors like entrepreneurship. While your WLB does improve if you go buyside, it will never be amazing, but your apartment will be. At the end of the day you gotta figure out what matters to you.

You are generally right that it’s not super optimal if you plan on going down entirely different more corporate routes, but if your end goal is those routes & you want a nice WLB, IB never really should have been the goal in the first place. Don’t underestimate the valuable experience though you’ll have from the skills you’ll gain though

 

If you do banking for a couple years and save up, then when you are mid 20s and want to move to a more traditional corporate finance role in a normal city, you can have a down payment on a house saved up. Huge underrated advantage imo.

additionally, within finance you have tons of optionality for exits which is a huge draw.

 

As someone with minimal experience, please take my perspective with a grain of salt. Based on conversations with those who have pursued investment banking for the long-term or have transitioned to the buyside, the consensus seems to be that working in investment banking is a transformative, educational, and life-changing experience. The demanding workload, strict deadlines, and high expectations create an unparalleled learning environment, and in the process, reveal one's values in life. Investment banking demands substantial time and effort, which can result in extended work hours and heightened stress levels. Nevertheless, this work ethic and devotion are typically compensated through ample financial rewards and rapid career progression. These elements combine to cultivate an environment where professionals are incentivized to continually enhance their skillset and expand their knowledge base.

A prominent professional that I have interacted with (who has spent over two decades in investment banking) acknowledged the sacrifices required, including time with loved ones and personal well-being during intense periods. Don't take these sacrifices lightly. Nonetheless, the decision to break into IB or not ultimately depends on one's priorities and willingness to make trade-offs.

Investment banking provides a solid foundation for future career opportunities, is a unique and prestigious industry, and offers unforgettable stories and relationships, if not a lifelong learning experience and generous compensation at the very least.

 

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As someone with minimal experience, please take my perspective with a grain of salt. Based on conversations with those who have pursued investment banking for the long-term or have transitioned to the buyside, the consensus seems to be that working in investment banking is a transformative, educational, and life-changing experience. The demanding workload, strict deadlines, and high expectations create an unparalleled learning environment, and in the process, reveal one's values in life. Investment banking demands substantial time and effort, which can result in extended work hours and heightened stress levels. Nevertheless, this work ethic and devotion are typically compensated through ample financial rewards and rapid career progression. These elements combine to cultivate an environment where professionals are incentivized to continually enhance their skillset and expand their knowledge base.

A prominent professional that I have interacted with (who has spent over two decades in investment banking) acknowledged the sacrifices required, including time with loved ones and personal well-being during intense periods. Don't take these sacrifices lightly. Nonetheless, the decision to break into IB or not ultimately depends on one's priorities and willingness to make trade-offs.

Investment banking provides a solid foundation for future career opportunities, is a unique and prestigious industry, and offers unforgettable stories and relationships, if not a lifelong learning experience and generous compensation at the very least.

Can tell that you have minimal experience. These are all bullshit we can all recite better than our own SSNs from the many reps of lying to incoming interns. Just wait until you actually see how banks actually work and what the corporate dynamic is like.

 

Ignore title, I'm now an analyst at a hedge fund.

For me, it was absolutely worth it. My two years in banking were tough - my girlfriend and I broke up, I worked constant 80+ hour weeks, and I'd constantly question my purpose in life and what I really wanted. I went through the existential crises of how important money was, what my values were, and what I wanted to do with my life.

I went to megafund private equity, where my WLB improved, but I still had constant stress with deals blowing up my weekends and vacations. I was still working 65-70 hours a week, which isn't that bad, but my life still wasn't where I wanted it to be. It's still hard to maintain hobbies, relationships, fitness, and good sleep at those hours.

Now, I'm at a hedge fund, and my life is great. The work is intellectually stimulating, I make a relatively stable 500k+ per year, and I work <60 hours with significant flexibility in setting my own hours (which for me often means no weekend work). My boss is smart, also lives a decent lifestyle, and is an incredible person to work for. Yes, I could be fired or have a bad year, but I'm pretty happy with the set-up right now. I've gotten back into multiple hobbies and play in a few sports leagues, have a strong relationship with my girlfriend, get great sleep every night, and still have 30 min to an hour to read every night. 

I couldn't have gotten this job had I not 'earned my stripes', nor do I think I'd be able to appreciate it for what it is. I'm not saying that this is a guaranteed path for everyone, but simply providing my perspective that it was worth it for me. Commenting this because I see a lot of similarities in my own thinking back then reflected in yours, and I would've liked the encouragement that it can get better in this industry.

 

How much upside do you still have with your comp given good WLB and how old are you?

Is there respect at hedge funds for workout time? How do you have a stable $500K at a HF? Aren’t they by definition extremely variable?

 

Keeping this intentionally vague to avoid doxxing myself. To other commenters above - I'm not interested in PMing, but am happy to selectively answer questions publicly.

Last year TC was ~$600-750k. I'm expecting that to increase a bit each year (obviously dependent on our results). If I get promoted in a few years to the level just below PM, there is material comp upside.

WLB depends entirely on your PM. I lucked out and found a great seat where my PM respects my schedule. I am able to work out as much as I want. 

My role is more special sits oriented and is not as volatile as pods / long-short. I do not really have potential for 7 figure years at my level, but the downside is also capped.

I am 4-6 years out of school. Hope this helps.

 

Short answer, yes, its worth it. More nuanced answer: it may not be worth it for you

From your post, it sounds like you're thinking specifically from the perspective of "I waste hours in my 2 year IB stint to either waste slightly less time on the buy side OR I waste 2 years and then end up in a role I could have done anyway". What you're missing is the actual professional growth you get through spending that extra time working.

I know many who would think about that time as prime learning opportunities. That extra 40 hours a week over two years will result in you coming out the other end slightly bewildered how your peers who didn't do it end up overwhelmed by professional challenges you now consider par for the course.

There is a very real caveat to this though: you do lose that time that could have been spent on more emotional growth. I have close friend who did the IB to PE Megafund route, and he's one of the most articulate and connected people I know, but it's come at the cost of him simply not being able to read the room in what most people would consider non-work related situations. 

Ultimately, IB is just you switching life's default setting to professional development, rather than "balanced development". It's up to you to be aware if this is something you want, and to calibrate for the downsides accordingly.

 

Wasn’t for me, but if you’re interested in PE (I’m not), then it’s the well-trodden path. 
 

Pros - camaraderie w/ fellow analysts who are typically chill, experience with deal processes, branding/prestige that opens doors across finance, good pay, exposure to management teams/senior bankers/other shot callers, low stakes environment to make mistakes 

cons - unpredictable schedule, boring work, crap shoot when it comes to culture/modeling reps/overall learning (every single group even within the same bank is different), seniors are generally pricks, learning curve flattens very quickly, living in a constant state of fear/anxiety

i suggest you go pursue whatever it is you actually want to do instead of just following others. You seem sharp and can clearly form your own opinions so don’t bother

 

I'll offer a slightly different response. From a hiring manager's perspective at a corporate, there's a lot of benefit for having IB on your resume as an applicant. It's kind of like a preliminary screen, similar to why certain companies recruit mostly from top MBAs. While there's some variability in personality/fit amongst applicants, I generally have an idea of what I'm going to get. If I see someone who spent a couple years in IB and now wants to transition to a corporate role, I know they have likely had decent grades/test scores (screened by the IB), have worked through some difficult hours (even though we don't), have gone through some sort of standardized modeling training (which we don't provide), and are used to creating neat(er) presentations/analyses. I'll absolutely take that base level of productivity and am happy to teach the rest. Alternatively, there's a lot more variability of what I'm going to get when we hire someone from a more general corporate background since their experience can be more easily fabricated-- in this case, my preference would be a blue chip FLDP

 

Some people go into IB looking at it as if it is two more years of school. IB is one of the best places to learn in finance and even business in general because of the nature of working with many companies and top execs. Many of my peers see IB as two more years of learning, then they hope to pivot to PE to do two further years, then either stick around in finance or get an MBA during which they figure out what they really want to do.

I know only a few who actually want to stay in IB, and a good amount who don't want to end up in any high finance role at all, but recognize the learning opportunity and resume building ability of IB.

 

Hey man. People on this forum feel entitled to be weirdly mean to young people who ask questions about this stuff. You will see a billion comments along the line of "just enjoy high school", "get laid", "touch grass" etc. Or just straight up troll posts like the one above.

Part of the reason is that working in IB isn't like becoming a professional athlete, artist, etc. It's not something you need to aspire to from a young age to achieve. Another part of the reason is that people who are overly into finance from a young age sometimes have misperceptions about how 'cool' the industry is or make their aspirations to work in finance the cornerstone of their identity. Not saying this is you - your post and questions are very reasonable. I'm just explaining why this forum is hostile to high schoolers.

The number 1 thing you can do for your career now is to focus on getting into a good college. That's all you need to think about. Frankly, your job preferences are likely to change in the next 5-7 years before you get a full time job. Maybe read a book or two on finance. Outside of that, just focus on being a well rounded person 

Don't set your eyes on just money/IB. The world is your oyster. You're young and high school doesn't even matter. You'll come to learn that college doesn't either. Keep your net wide and think of other things to do outside of IB (like becoming a doctor or advancing technology or figuring out ways to improve healthcare). There's enough bankers in the world and all it does it make money out of money. I'm over it. Money can make you and loved ones happy but only temporarily. Make sure to pursue a degree and major in something truly interesting. Not just finance and making money

 

It's absolutely worth it for the standard 1-2 year analyst stint because your opportunity cost is basically just your time. However, long-term is a harder decision since opportunity costs will be time with your kids, your hair, your health, etc.. I wouldn't be in my cushy $250k+ corporate role at 25 without IB, but I'd rather crawl through glass than be a career banker. This is just my two cents.

 

Luck tbh - got reached out by Big Tech during the boom and got the job - lucky enough to keep my job after the layoffs. Now work as corporate strategy/PM. I’m not gonna pretend I’m this ultra genius guy, although my charisma is above average. Idk how much longer I can stomach California though, especially with a family on the way, so my days might be numbered.

 

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