Why Investment Banks in NY are going to fail. A big part is diversity. (May all of you NY bankers RIP)

I've been watching the Texas (and the rest of the US) vs New York markets and I've seen this play out or starting to play out big time. Texas has always never really used capital markets as extensively as the Northeast has, and it's transitioning to a big clubby state in terms of financing. Big clubby syndicate loans between the biggest regional banks here along with some of the BBs as book runners, and the CRE firms that host the old money Southerners are also getting into this "capital markets" action so to speak. There's not really a public market, but everyone knows each other so there's a big private market. We all went to the same private schools etc and backgrounds. A lot of the middle market clients that we were trying to poach at the BB I was at stay with their regional banks and these regional banks then develop an "IB" arm so to speak. But in essence it becomes a big syndicate club. 

Other regions are probably going to follow because people want to preserve their culture. I'm not southern or white by any means. But that's just what america has always been. WASPy. And I'm confident that there will be a pop-up of big syndicate clubs across the USA such as in Charlotte or other places where white people are moving to. And there won't be any national capital markets, unless America somehow miraculously unifies, just big regional club syndicates or whatever regional "capital market" will exist (who even knows what that means). But given the big cultural, religious, and social clashes. This national level capital markets will collapse very quickly. I'm not even surprised UBS or other banks can't get clients. They'd rather just stay with their regional lenders and have them team up rather than access capital across the country from a couple of hobo idiots that don't align with them socially and culturally. 

And I'm guessing blacks and hispanics with credit unions etc such as a comparison to whites and traditional banks. And the national bulge brackets are going to collapse into regional banks etc. International lending will be through development banks in Asia and other banks that are developed through political partnerships in each region. It'll be fun, but things like BB and these notions of investment banking won't hold much sway in the financing in the rest of the country (if we have one) in the future. So anyone outside of the NY and northeast area probably should disregard these forums in the future. 

I guess this is the inevitable outcome of America. Always whites at the top protecting their self interests. 

And as for energy. Well the regional powerhouses like TPH split into two with TPH and Pickering Energy. And there's new ones such as Intrepid Financial with McGee. And a lot of the regional firms have always been here. They just got poached into BBs, but they might separate like Richardson Barr (RBC) and Waterous (Scotiabank). Honestly they might just separate and rebrand. I mean given how things are geopolitically I wouldn't even be surprised. So yea. NYC IB is probably dead in the near future. 

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lol private cred, eh. basically can't find returns elsewhere so you got to lend at ridiculously higher rates. what a bunch of bs my guy

good luck finding a job when shit hits the fan on lending 

and if you were any smarter you'd recognize that this isn't even a manifesto, just a commentary on the markets

makes sense you're in private cred

 wait lmao if this happened to completion it would destroy your job

 
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they aren't currently. but they have the right connections to be. and given the national and global geopolitical climate i wouldn't be surprised in the long run future 

just look at intrepids deals: Investment Banking | Intrepid Financial Partners

oh and it seems pickering is cooking after he split from TPH: Pickering Energy Partners | Investment Banking

and I forgot petrie looming in the background cooking all the nyc firms

Again these are all southern firms, with deep connections to southern institutions. So WSO's bias is heavily Northeast and they can't see where they're going to fail. 

 
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Not sure if this is a shitpost or not, but the phenomenon that you proclaim will change financing has always existed, will continue to exist, but can only be so large relative to the total financing market. For example, regional banks like First Republic (prior to its collapse) had deep relationships with many large real estate owners in California, many of which were HNW families. Regional banks possess an advantage in some places because they can truly "know the market" and deal with a smaller client base that compensates for its size with frequent activity. However, every family business eventually sells after N generations and the only place they can reliably get financing at cheap terms is in the public markets. This is also why the USA is said to have more "developed" capital markets than in Europe -- in the US 70-80% of lending is done via capital markets with the remainder by banks, while in Europe 20-30% is done via capital markets and the remainder by banks.

 

Numbers aren't everything lmao.

"Hey bud, I got an extra 2 bil lying here that I didn't tell anyone about. Let's go finance something." Oops that wasn't originally a part of the total financing market. 

Don't know what these guys actually have. Numbers ain't everything.  And truth be told that's why Southern capital markets are about to boom. Racism and emotion baby. 

 

and to add on to my point. syndicated loans have always been cheap. and most companies are privately funded. wtf are you on

As you said the financing changes. but what is driving the change in financing? 

Bruh I'm having an aneurysm reading your post now

 

I still don't get your point...private credit is obviously huge. Ares, Golub, Blue Owl, Oaktree, Apollo, Monroe, etc. are doing more business than ever. Now, assume I am a random Texas oil money billionaire. Do you think it is more practical to manage the loan on my own, as opposed giving money to one of the aforementioned funds to do it for me and provide diversification in the process? Those numbers would be tracked by the way. THEN, people will start trading the private credit loans (which is already happening), and there will eventually be convergence in mid/large cap direct lending and traditional syndicated market. We already see this happening with firms like TD who have consolidated DL and LevFin into one team. 

 

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