Caught interviewing and asked to leave

Hey everyone,

My interviewer met up with my boss at a networking event and long story short the interviewer revealed I was interviewing at his firm.

My firm is likely to ask me to leave as they are very unhappy about it. Just wondering, how do you guys go about your job search to protect yourself from such instances? This seems like pure bad luck that can't be prevented but happy to hear any thoughts.

ty

 
real_Skankhunt42:
bfd:
My thought is, why did that interviewer rat on you to your boss? Bad form by that guy, really bad form.

I'm curious if there are employment laws against this. I guess I've never thought about it since it's in such horrible form to rat out a job candidate that it rarely happens.

No laws, but in the land of the free and home of the lawsuit; this could easily be grounds for punitive damages, pain and suffering, and reimbursed legal expenses.

I worked at a place where a person of a certain race was let go with cause. That person claimed discrimination with racial slurs being spoken. Despite the fact all of this was false; internal legal motioned to settle to just keep the noise down.

 
bfd:
My thought is, why did that interviewer rat on you to your boss? Bad form by that guy, really bad form.

This. Sue the bastard. Thats some real scumbag shit on the part of the interviewer.

Unfortunately, for you and your employer, it would appear that he doesn’t value you very much. Whether that’s justified or not is for you to decide, but if I were you, I wouldn’t want to work there any longer regardless of what happens.

 

Most interviewers use their common sense and realize they should probably not mention that their target is looking for a job when talking to said target's boss.

However, situations like yours can happen - small world. Could've been in the same analyst class, could have been friends in college, their kids might play on the same basketball team etc..He probably wanted some intel on you before offering you the position.

For future reference though, if you don't want your current firm to know you're looking for opportunities, you need to always tell the recruiter/interviewer that you want it kept confidential.

 
buzzkillington:
Most interviewers use their common sense and realize they should probably not mention that their target is looking for a job when talking to said target's boss.

However, situations like yours can happen - small world. Could've been in the same analyst class, could have been friends in college, their kids might play on the same basketball team etc..He probably wanted some intel on you before offering you the position.

For future reference though, if you don't want your current firm to know you're looking for opportunities, you need to always tell the recruiter/interviewer that you want it kept confidential.

Yes that's a good point. We should all bear this in mind. Good luck to the OP in the future.

 

Detox15, just to be candid, FT recruiting this year is going to be very tough, if not impossible, because of how the markets are. You should focus 100% of your energy into getting a return offer. Without a return offer, you might be SOL given the market conditions and the fact that almost all FT interviews start with "Did you get a return offer?"

That being said, no one will find out. Send out your emails with your personal email and take informational interview calls when you have down time. No one you network with is going to email your current firm. Good luck.

 
Funniest

I was once suspected of interviewing elsewhere (I wasn't) and bluntly confronted with, "Are you interviewing at other places?"

Coffee had yet to kick in so I scowled and said, "Should I be!?"

I quit about a month later anyway when a competitor tapped me.

 

This sucks and there isn't much you can do here. But I'd take two steps:

  1. Make it clear your boss doesn't know you're looking in any future interview, and request that they not contact your firm. If they push back, you can agree that they can call after you've accepted an offer but must check with you first.

  2. There's no point in sueing or making a huge public deal out of it, you'll come out looking bad too, and they haven't done anything illegal, just crappy. However, I would ABSOLUTELY reach out to this person's superiors and HR department to let them know both that they informed your boss that you were job hunting and that it directly led to your job loss. Do it professionally, maybe they have somewhere else they can refer you to. But more importantly, this person needs to be disciplined internally so that this issue doesn't occur with other future candidates.

 
BreakingOutOfPWM:
This sucks and there isn't much you can do here. But I'd take two steps:
  1. Make it clear your boss doesn't know you're looking in any future interview, and request that they not contact your firm. If they push back, you can agree that they can call after you've accepted an offer but must check with you first.

  2. There's no point in sueing or making a huge public deal out of it, you'll come out looking bad too, and they haven't done anything illegal, just crappy. However, I would ABSOLUTELY reach out to this person's superiors and HR department to let them know both that they informed your boss that you were job hunting and that it directly led to your job loss. Do it professionally, maybe they have somewhere else they can refer you to. But more importantly, this person needs to be disciplined internally so that this issue doesn't occur with other future candidates.

Something doesn't have to be illegal for you to sue. In fact, that's what most litigation is surrounding--non-criminal and very much legal activity. If the OP gets fired he likely won't be able to brush himself off and move on to the next industry job. That's not how this business works. He will almost certainly suffer real, actual financial losses.

Array
 

Fair point. However, I'd be surprised if there is precedent to collect here unless you've told them they can't contact your company. OP is still probably better off contacting HR etc first; they might bend over backwards to help him out in this situation, and the results might be better than a lawsuit (which also becomes public).

 

Regarding #2, just threatening to sue might be enough to get them to settle. This obviously depends on how much you'd sue for, and how large the firm is, but there's a good enough chance that they'd decide that it isn't worth the time and legal fees to fight you in court.

"There's nothing you can do if you're too scared to try." - Nickel Creek
 

If you're part of a 2 year program, I don't think it's unfair to approach your boss and try to explain to him in a friendly, mollifying way that just because you're interviewing elsewhere does not mean that you intend to shirk your duties at your current firm.

Even if not part of a 2 year program, I again don't think it's unfair to approach your boss and explain that you were interviewing to "stay fresh"/"keep in practice", or because it "seemed like an interesting opportunity and I wanted to hear more".

I have never had a prick boss so perhaps I don't understand how it is. But personally, I have never been too guarded about the fact that I'm looking when I'm looking. There is no shame in wanting better things for yourself as long as your employer feels that you are still delivering on a day-to-day basis, and feels that you will not screw them over by leaving without transitioning matters. It's a soft skills thing, but if you are good enough at what you do and well-respected enough, I don't think your boss' incentives would be to fire you. That causes more disruption than keeping you on while he finds a replacement.

Array
 

If you really want to stay, you need to impart that you looked around out of curiosity and it just affirmed your desire to be where you already are.

Also, if you didn't know this, don't quit under pressure. Make them fire you. Unemployment/severance/ etc all are void if you quit. There's really no downside to making them pull the trigger first.

 

Document all correspondence with the prospective company. Speak with an labor attorney. That shit is out of bounds. The only plausible scenario I can think of how this came about is the manager said "I work for x". and prospective company replied "Some great people over there, I met with Y recently" without realizing its your manager.

If it was deliberate, you may have a case.

This has happened to me once as well. The CEO of my medium sized company found out I was interviewing with a competitor and my boss called me one day after work to let me know. My reply was "ok, so what does this mean?". They were just trying to intimidate a young kid.

These things get pretty murky but once an org knows you're looking or you yourself mentally start focusing on new opps, it's best to see it through.

 

1) you are allowed to interview and see what opportunities are available for you out in the market, and you should be able to say this without fear of being fired, so long as it does not interfere with your current job performance. (i'm aware this is idealist...tho not realist) 2) if your current employer values you, they will accept that you will receive offers elsewhere, and they will try to convince you to stay. 3) you said you were "asked to leave"....language here matters....if just "asked", you can say "no thanks, i'd prefer to stay"...however, if they say "you are fired...security will escort you out" then you should ask "why?" and see what they say (they might not give a reason, or they might say something stupid that you can use against them in a lawsuit). 4) Then walk out the door and contact a labor attorney.

5) contact the firm you interviewed with, politely explain the situation, and politely ask if they can help you find another job, because it was their fault you were fired from your job. If they say they can't help, ask them to make a few phone calls and ask their peers at other firms if they have any open slots for your level. I've seen people do this in this exact situation, and it resulted in a job referral.

just google it...you're welcome
 

https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/wrongful-interference-wi…

Wrongful Interference with Employment Relationship: When a person other than an employer intentionally interferes with another person's employment relationship and thereby causes the other person to lose his/her job, that interfering person might be liable for the economic losses that result.

The person damaged by the interference (the employee) will usually need to prove the following things in order to sue:

1) There was an existing employment relationship; 2) The person who caused the interference was a third party to the relationship (i.e. the relationship was not between the person damaged and the person who interfered); 3) The third party's conduct interfered with the relationship; 4) The third party intended to interfere; and 5) The third party's conduct caused the employee's termination.

In most states, the employee also needs to prove that the third party was not justified in interfering with the employment relationship.


Skank speaking: you have a slamdunk case of tortious interference with an employment relationship. I'm currently looking for a new job and your story makes my blood boil. Sue that motherfucker for all he's worth. No, sue his company. He fucked you over in his capacity with his company.

Array
 
ArbitrageSam:
Doesn't having a lawsuit against an employer ruin your chances of ever getting an offer anywhere else tho? Especially for these ultra competitive jobs

I would say getting fired for cause pretty much ruins your chance at a prestigious Wall Street job, hence the lawsuit seeking monetary and punitive damages. I look at #4 on the list: "The third party intended to interfere" and I have to think it's almost impossible to accidentally divulge the first and last name of the prospective in question at a party. Sue his company for millions of dollars and retire. I would.

Array
 

If you were in good standing prior to this (we all assume so)...then assuming you went on to a standard illustrious career in the investment banking path --> analyst, associate --> VicePres --> managing director...you should be able to win a lawsuit (and they would most likely settle) for something in the range of 10 million (the total comp that you will now be denied because of their interference).

just google it...you're welcome
 

To me, I wouldn't just focus on the compensatory damages; I would really sell to the jury (if it made it to trial) the fact that this kind of behavior poisons the well for job seekers and violates the unspoken, long-developed trust in the world of recruitment, that this unethical behavior needs to be stopped. I would make the hard sell for substantial punitive damages.

Array
 

these things almost never goto trial...they get settled...and for less than what a jury would award. And we are all just talking out of our asses...only an employment lawyer will know for sure if this guy has a case

that website indicates 4) The third party intended to interfere

if the 3rd party unintentionally revealed that OP was interviewing (not sure how they argue that...but i'm sure they would)...they it fails the test. Regardless...banks have an army of lawyers on retainer for these things...they will be well protected. OP will have to prove the reason he was fired was because of the interview. While OP has verbal proof...i doubt he has anything recorded or in writing...and i doubt OP has witnesses. So this comes down to he said / she said. Its not a slam dunk. We can all agree what happened...and its obvious...but would a jury hear the same story? Would a jury award that much money? Hard to say....that's what the lawyers are for.

just google it...you're welcome
 

Appreciate all your inputs. It doesn't make sense for me to file a complain against the firm that ratted me out cause they have the resources to protect them and furthermore its just my word against my employer's word like what some have pointed out.

However, what should I do in the future to avoid such instances? Should I indicate my company's name as confidential on my resume? Any suggestions?

Appreciate all your inputs. Thank you.

 
wcfever:
Appreciate all your inputs. It doesn't make sense for me to file a complain against the firm that ratted me out cause they have the resources to protect them and furthermore its just my word against my employer's word like what some have pointed out.

No, this is what you aren’t getting. Your employer wouldn’t be in trouble. Your employer can fire you for wearing the wrong deodorant. Your employer has no incentive to lie. Lying under oath is called perjury and is a felony. If there is a civil case filed they aren’t going to lie. What’s their incentive to lie? Huge risk for zero gain.

You haven’t been fired yet, and if you are there may be more to it than you’re letting on. If they were going to fire you for interviewing they would probably have already done it.

Array
 

wcfever, PLEASE I implore you to consider the sage advice given on this thread. You have to understand that you actually have a legitimate legal case here, and you should pursue this immediately because you have been unfairly fucked over.

 

This legal case is not going to happen. He is not going to get fired with the cause stated as 'going to the interview.' Maybe his boss does want to fire him and will fire him, but it won't be stated as this reason.

If they want to fire him, they are going to start picking up dirt on him and making a paper trail of warnings to eventually fire him.

I'm reading the original post though and the phrase 'my firm is likely to ask me to leave' seems highly speculative. Maybe you're just in the dog house for a week. Everyone interviews at other firms. If this is legit, it's ridiculous, unless you lied about where you were that day.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

First of all, you're completely right about them simply making up a different reason to fire him, if that's what they want to do. They'll start gathering a paper tail of minor infractions or perceived shortcomings. They can do whatever if they cover their bases.

I still think it's ridiculous even if he lied about where he was. I wouldn't tell a firm I was interviewing somewhere else. I assume when someone has a "doctor's appointment" in the middle of the week there's a 50/50 chance they're interviewing somewhere. It's the nature of the industry.

If I found out a firm actually did this to someone I'd avoid them like the plague. I once worked at a firm with a "no one should ever want to leave here" cult mentality and it was the worst culture I've ever experienced hands down.

"Now you's can't leave." -Sonny LoSpecchio
 
Sam ''Ace'' Rothstein:
First of all, you're completely right about them simply making up a different reason to fire him, if that's what they want to do. They'll start gathering a paper tail of minor infractions or perceived shortcomings. They can do whatever if they cover their bases.

I still think it's ridiculous even if he lied about where he was. I wouldn't tell a firm I was interviewing somewhere else. I assume when someone has a "doctor's appointment" in the middle of the week there's a 50/50 chance they're interviewing somewhere. It's the nature of the industry.

If I

Ok, at this juncture the guy is probably not going to get fired and this is a moot point, but the larger point is that the current employer doesn't need to make up anything--they can fire him for any reason (not having to do with race, veteran status, religion, etc.).
Array
 

Dont know which jurisdiction you are in but there are laws that protect prospective employees. But you would have to have concrete proof of that in the form of emails etc not verbal. The person penalised would be the person from the firm that you were applying for. Realistically you wouldnt have any solid proof. Probably you'd get circumstantial proof to hold up in court. Consult a lawyer with your case. Yes it costs money but it depends on how far you want to take this.

 
Charles-Lee:
Dont know which jurisdiction you are in but there are laws that protect prospective employees. But you would have to have concrete proof of that in the form of emails etc not verbal. The person penalised would be the person from the firm that you were applying for. Realistically you wouldnt have any solid proof. Probably you'd get circumstantial proof to hold up in court. Consult a lawyer with your case. Yes it costs money but it depends on how far you want to take this.

No, this isn't correct! In a civil case, you just have to convince the jury that it's 51% likely that you were terminated because the prospective employer wrongly divulged your information ("preponderance of the evidence"). This isn't a criminal case where the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt"--circumstantial evidence is exactly the kind of evidence civil cases were designed for.

Array
 

Yes you are certainly right that there are different levels of legal burden between civil and criminal cases. However, I am pointing out the case in a realistic way.

Either way civil or criminal, cases like this will be thrown out and will only be expensive for the person suing. Lest you are a rich person trying to make a point/have a vendetta.

Please consider the case in a realistic point of view. Think about how each party's lawyers argue in court and how each party will respond. Where do you expect that this person will get a hold of a paper trail indicating any wrongdoing by either parties. Are you going to ask for a subpoena for stuff like this? Most likely it will be verbal, and I hope you know that verbal circumstantial proof is one of the weakest forms of evidence to sway the jury. So you better get a superstar lawyer and we are at square one back to cost.

I'd say you were just unlucky and probably take a note of that name and spread it around your peers in the industry that he is very unprofessional. I have had this happened to me as well. It just sucks and disappointing, but you just gotta take the hit.

If you are to give someone advice you should probably try to understand the predicament that this person is in right now instead of harping on the minute details of the legal system.

 

Piss poor form by your interviewer, but I would seriously not try to do anything to them. Even if you get fired, better to take the lump and move on. I know it sucks, but you could seriously do more damage than good trying to exact revenge in this scenario. If you go the lawyer route, you may be industry black balled for quite a while. Sorry this happened to you. Hope a great opportunity comes your way and your success will be revenge enough.

 

That was a really jackass move on the interviewer's part. That sort of thing just isn't done. It could be that he's looking to jump ship too and needed some brownie points. Either way, dick move. If you get word you're about to get fired, I would reach out to the interviewer and say that you are getting fired as a direct result of his action and he needs to make it right (i.e. hire you). If he dodges the issue or you, I would say you should seriously think about a civil case. To that end, see if you can get your boss to admit why they're firing you (if they are), on paper, that will help you pretty much draw a line from cause to effect from that other guy's actions. Good luck.

"I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing. " -GG
 

I’m assuming the best from people when I say this. Having interviewed hundreds of employment candidates over the years, it is possible that company leadership know one another casually well before candidates show up to interview. We should frankly assume this to be true. Conversations can and do happen between friends if there is no compelling reason for them not to.

One small prevenatative measure can go a long way: be explicit about the fact that you’re interviewing and your current employer does not know that you’re doing this. Ask for discretion. I can’t imagine anyone I know from an HR department who would violate that request if it was made explicit.

I would simply caveat that if you make a comment like this in an interview, also be clear: 1. That if you do get an offer, that you will owe your current employer the respect of adequate notice and don’t plan to jump ship without notice (this can make you look bad) 2. That you explored the options available to you through your current employer, and they either don’t exist or they come with a condition that you can’t meet (like you would have to move to some small island that serves only food you’re allergic to). 3. That a career path in your new company is something you want as opposed to your soon-to-be ex-company for X reasons. A good interviewer will ask you this anyway. They won’t likely want to hire a naturally disloyal or quick to disappear employee.

Be smart enough to be both honest and sensitive to everyone involved.

 

It’s always smart to be interviewing and networking. You need to keep an idea of what your market value is. It’s a great negotiating tactic for bonuses, promotions and salary bumps if you can point to comps. So you got blown up. It’s gonna happen over and over again during your career. At least your employer now knows you’re a hustler and won’t sit around waiting for them to pay you what you deserve.

 

Isn't there some sort of inherent confidentiality in applying for a job? Or even a clause in the terms and conditions saying your candidature is in confidence? Regarding background checks, these are in the T&Cs when applying i.e. only after receiving a formal offer, and even then, often requiring you to sign a disclosure allowing the company to do so!?

Of course they can google you for info in the public domain before offer but asking people specifically about you would be crossing the line in light of the confidentiality of your application. And talking at the kids baseball game in a weekend is off limits here. These guys are in banking and should know how far reaching insider trading rules extend so similarly should also be aware of any other confidentiality issues.

Your company sucks for sacking you for looking for a job and your interviewer is a freaking amateur. No surprises really, bankers may earn the dollars but they're really no different to the desk jockeys in other industries.

 

consider yourself lucky.

if you're boss was really a douche, he'd play games with you.

here's what I'd do.

1) congratuate you on your ambitions 2) offer you an immediate (large) pay raise to make you stay 3) the day after your raise kicks in, immediately humilate you in front of the office for some menial bullshit 4) fire your ass over said menial (made up) bullshit.

again, consider yourself lucky.

 

Shit situation. Some of the advice given here seems fine, but I would be contacting a good employment lawyer if I were you. It's better to get advice from someone who probably deals with this on a day-to-day basis. Document everything.

Even if you don't get fired, you could possibly be retaliated against in other ways: work taken away, avoided, blacklisted, not promoted when you deserve it...

Who is to say that other firm was even going to give you an offer? But, if you were eliminated from the process because of that interaction at the networking event, that seems discriminatory to me. This interviewer's actions could have put your current job in jeopardy and you could now work in a hostile environment.

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and don't claim to be an expert on the letter of the law.

 

Sit expedita ea aliquid. Voluptatem doloremque labore reiciendis. Placeat optio nostrum dolore molestiae repellendus exercitationem.

 

Odit et nobis laudantium nihil. Et sed et non accusamus tempora iste culpa. Et voluptates enim laborum vel. Repellat voluptatem qui officia earum ut sint. Quod quibusdam nemo aliquam.

Dolor magnam sit dolorum voluptatem quaerat. Voluptas dolorem iste repudiandae. Maiores et voluptas quisquam.

Sunt quibusdam fuga tempora excepturi inventore et porro. Laboriosam quasi nesciunt aut qui a et voluptatum. Molestias consequatur dolores exercitationem velit. Qui debitis possimus deleniti perspiciatis ad laboriosam autem soluta. Rerum explicabo omnis perspiciatis.

Eaque eum rerum voluptates quas voluptatem. Corporis in sint ab et eius quasi. Minima praesentium culpa iure sunt.

 

Est et beatae ipsa eaque repellat possimus minus. Quas ea ab ad provident enim.

Facere dignissimos nesciunt dolores provident id non accusantium. Earum dolor eos eius et rerum voluptatem et. Velit illo repudiandae quibusdam numquam odit repudiandae id autem. Nihil ea aut delectus architecto et beatae voluptas error.

 

Temporibus sint et dolor est illum. Sed officia quae saepe sed adipisci. Quo soluta est iste unde. Odit ipsam corrupti libero deleniti fuga tenetur et.

A quam pariatur aperiam placeat distinctio. Optio rem dolorem repudiandae natus in ratione voluptates. Aut quaerat nihil veritatis odio.

Veniam deserunt et vel sapiente itaque impedit. Exercitationem iure minus earum ab. Esse praesentium illo eveniet sit impedit qui.

Career Advancement Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Jefferies & Company 02 99.4%
  • Goldman Sachs 19 98.8%
  • Harris Williams & Co. New 98.3%
  • Lazard Freres 02 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 03 97.1%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Harris Williams & Co. 18 99.4%
  • JPMorgan Chase 10 98.8%
  • Lazard Freres 05 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 07 97.7%
  • William Blair 03 97.1%

Professional Growth Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 98.3%
  • Moelis & Company 07 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (19) $385
  • Associates (86) $261
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (14) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (66) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (205) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (145) $101
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

1
redever's picture
redever
99.2
2
Betsy Massar's picture
Betsy Massar
99.0
3
BankonBanking's picture
BankonBanking
99.0
4
Secyh62's picture
Secyh62
99.0
5
GameTheory's picture
GameTheory
98.9
6
CompBanker's picture
CompBanker
98.9
7
dosk17's picture
dosk17
98.9
8
kanon's picture
kanon
98.9
9
Jamoldo's picture
Jamoldo
98.8
10
numi's picture
numi
98.8
success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”