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Doubt Trump gets the Democratic nominee…
I am 95 percent sure it is going to be Shapiro. I am not sure if he will be President or Vice President. He is very popular in PA and would likely turn PA blue. He is pretty moderate for a dem and would likely get independent voters. The donors would probably prefer he be at the top of the ticket. I don’t think Michelle Obama would be interested in running.
He’d be who I bet money on for VP
Bingo I think Shapiro is the choice. I believe he out performed everyone in PA. Not only that could have a good down ticket pull and honestly could maybe even help in GA, MI, MN
It’ll be Kamala.
She’s not my favorite, but leapfrogging her would be poor form for the party and she’s polling well enough against Trump. Her VP selection will be a big deal here.
TBD. I am sure the dems have already been discussing alternate plans. My guess is they all knew Machin would endorse Shapiro as a possibility. They probably wanted to test the waters with the endorsement.
I think also due to election law, she is the only one able to tap the donation money in the war chest for Biden/Harris. So, anyone else would only have money donated to the Dem party. On top of that, the campaign had the largest funded donation day ever, all from super PACs and super donors holding back, but if it went to the campaign, only she could touch it. Not saying they wouldn't transfer the money but the Rep would have a good argument to block the money transfer in court and tie it up.
I think they have to go with Michelle. Kamala would lose in a landslide and hurts the party image even more. Despite no experience, Michele is the only candidate in this short of a window that would still get an impressive amount of votes and still have a chance due to the Obama name. She is well spoken, has a law degree. She checks the minority and female boxes.
What her % chance of winning is, though.. I do not know.
You know, except for the whole she has zero experience and zero interest in the job thing.
Anyone posting here saying it’ll be Michelle Obama has no idea what they’re talking about.
It’s a discussion post for speculation. You write as if you some direct insight to what she is thinking. You don’t know.
I don’t think she wants the job, as she has said before herself. Thats also obvious with how heavily Barack endorsed Biden ahead of this election, and the Obamas not providing/leaking any ammo to support the creation of a rumor that she’s interested.
However, the opportunity has now materialized and is real. I don’t think it’s fair to just totally dismiss the idea because as I said - you don’t know. Only she knows.
May the corrupt old coot rest in piss, he had no business being the nominee in the first place and has set the Dems back enormously not to mention robbed tens of millions of voters of an actual fair primary. I think they have to run Kamala because she inherits all the funding they raised for their ticket? Shapiro or Newsom seem like the best VP choices for her but I could honestly see them giving her Hilary Clinton and it turning into the DNC equivalent of Bush/Cheney when the dumbass leads the ticket and we all know the shark VP is really running the show for things like foreign, military, and energy policy. There's no way Michelle Obama is running.
Biden has been the most productive progressive president since FDR. History will remember him fondly, both for his accomplishments and for stepping down.
Now that’s out of the way (😉) I agree with you completely on Shapiro and it not being Michelle, I don’t think Gavin has a chance, nor would he take it. Running two California liberals wouldn’t make any sense strategically and I think he runs on his own later and won’t want the baggage.
LOL quoting for posterity. Not a chance.
BidenBros forgot there were other Democratic presidents. Not surprised they just act like their leader!
Kamala, followed by a Republican victory. No serious Democratic contender is going to throw their hat into the ring and waste all their political capital for nothing. There are fundamental socioeconomic currents that make this election borderline unwinnable for Dems, most notably inflation and a general sense of malaise with the status quo. Abruptly dumping your candidate and appearing hapless and panicked, all the while your opponent literally just survived an assassination attempt that turned him into a living martyr, doesn't help the situation either.
I disagree that there would be no interest amongst dems. I think many of them would want to be on the ticket.
Sure, in 2028. This election is lost, and hitching yourself to a sinking ship is a terrible idea. There is no way heavyweight contenders like Whitmer would risk their reputation and national standing on this. Only up-and-coming political operatives would be willing to join in, just to get their names out there. For established folks, it would be lunacy.
Kamala needs a moderate VP pick to win the independents and never-Trump voters. Shapiro or Buttigieg fit the bill, especially with Shapiro coming from Pennsylvania which is huge. Shapiro may be at risk of alienating younger voters on Gaza (who were upset with Biden's stance too) which means she may lean towards Buttigieg/other moderate
Buttigieg is not going to be VP. The donors probably want Shapiro and because he can flip PA and Florida.
There's not 1 Democrat in the Country that can flip Florida against Trump.
I’m an independent voter and just don’t see how they’re going to make this work without an open convention. You can’t credibly run on the premise that democracy is on the line and then employ an undemocratic process to appoint your nominee after lying to the country for the better part of 12-18 months.
Kamala was just as much apart of this as Joe was and I just don’t see how she has any path towards victory after lying to the public this entire time. Furthermore, I don’t see anyone credible willing to use their political capital to get behind her for VP and the circus this has become. I firmly believe that either Whitmer or Buttigieg would beat Trump handily if they ran but don’t think either wants to take the risk at the moment.
Ultimately, what’s probably going to happen is they’ll nominate Kamala without a convention and she’s going to have a relative unknown on the national stage be her VP pick. My sincere hope is that she doesn’t start pandering to the anti Israel crowd or bringing out identity politics otherwise this is going to get even uglier as the months go on.
I’m personally planning on voting for RFK as a vote of no confidence in both parties unless the democrats run an open convention or similar process.
My ideal scenario is Trump wins but the Senate and the House go democrat preventing him from being able to implement anything crazy. I think this will be a net positive for society because he’ll be so shameless that it exposes how corrupt things in DC are on both sides of the isle and force the democrats to confront the reality that you can’t just label everyone a racist who thinks it’s a bad idea to let anyone who can cross the southern border into the country no questions asked after seeing what happen in Israel. I just hope we see a return to somewhere in the middle after this cycle but am not optimistic.
I've never been a big third party person, but increasingly I've become interested in RCV/proportional representation electoral systems and I'm starting to believe that I can't keep voting for the "lesser of two evils" as that is weighing on my conscience too much. Idk about RFK per se, but I am exploring other options in the 3rd party field.
Once again I am begging some of you guys to actually learn what you are talking about beyond twitter.
Everything about this entire election cycle is loco. Muy loco. Trump will be victorious, but interested to see how all this transpires.
I think he will be too, regardless of who everyone on here votes for.
My worry is that he tries to jam through this 2025 plan, which may work in being implemented but will just cause a massive cog in an already slow and fragile federal government system. Also, taking control of DC will only make the majority of the affluent people move, which they are already doing, to MC and NoVa. So crime will get worse as lower-paid blue-collar jobs disappear as the population declines, leaving behind the crime-ridden neighborhoods.
The best combination for Dems is Josh Shapiro (PA gov) - Mark Kelly (AZ Senator) for the electoral college to lock up their states, and hoping Michigan goes blue. They could lose Wisconsin and Nevada, and assuming no surprises, Dems would win.
Mark Kelly with all his prior accomplishments (fighter pilot, astronaut, wife was shot) is untested on the national stage. Same with Shapiro but at least he is a current Biden campaigner.
If Harris earns her nomination at the convention, the Dems will support her. It will be an open convention, just the question if any of the favorite alternatives run.
I am kind of curious about seeing this debate match up, as the optics could accentuate the Dems message (women’s rights, good things about the Biden administration) and make Trump look like a bully. There are pros and cons:
Trump vs Harris
Vance vs someone like Shapiro
It’s been reported on some of the liberal leaning podcasts that Trump is guiding the GOP to have a bigger tent, that includes Union labor and working class people of color (which is great btw). The Dems would be smart to bring into their tent the Never Trumpers, Regan foreign policy institutionalists, and Dollar as the world’s currency reserve believers.
That's a great point, it would be great if there was a more balanced left and right political presence in labor politics:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/america-needs-a-conservative-labor-movemen…
Being reported that the final four under consideration are:
All pretty down the fairway type picks
It's probably gonna be Roy Cooper.
If you're a DEM and you want to be President, you're not being VP on a losing ticket this cycle.
The other 3 will run in 2028.
Why are people obsessed with Michelle Obama, she was just his wife. AFAIK she hasn't really done anything herself to merit becoming president besides being Obama's wife.
Yeah I don'r get this, feels like some woke fairy tale take. I'm sure she's a decent person, but no credentials whatsoever to be POTUS
Even Trump has more credentials given he's actually been POTUS and his biz empire prior to that
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