Big Ten
I've had some time off and have been watching some football (I'm a big college football fan). I was just thinking today about the Big Ten (whose football teams clearly suck).
If you are from a Big Ten school I would imagine you are already at a disadvantage becausae you went to mid or low tier school but you probably took pride in your college experience and one of the things you hang you hat on would be your school/conference's football teams. But, now as we have seen this holiday season, the Big Ten is not only full of under achievers academically, but they aren't even good at football.
Thoughts?
I doubt you will hear anything from the few Big 10 fans remaining, they prove to be sore losers. Big 10 football has been a joke for the better part of a decade. Personally, I hate the Big 10 so with that said I have not had a better college football Saturday in a very long time.
On a separate note - BCS bowls including the National Championship should only be open to the SEC, Big 12, and Pac 10 teams. Basically the ACC, Big 10, and Big East should not have automatic bids to play.
Not a B10 alum/student here, but how is the B12 any better? Mizzou(10-2) lost to Iowa (7-5). Nebraska got killed by a crappy Washington team. Kansas St. lost to a Big East team. The Pac 10 outside of Oregon and Stanford is pretty bad. They only have 4 bowl teams, and that's only because Washington won their last 3 games to make one.
The B10 isn't great, but their matchups usually work against them. Like B10 #6 will play a #4 or 5 from the B12 in bowls.
The B10 is easy to pick on here because I heard them talk shit all year about how tough their schedules were.
And how can you say Pac 10 should get an automatic bid? They just need to get rid of this system and let there be a playoff.
I have no association with the big 10...but calling them underperformers academically? Sure some may be, but Northwestern and Michigan are hardly underperforming schools. I'd argue that academically, outside of the Ivy's, the big 10 probably has some of the best schools.
they aren't bad school, but they are mediocre and where i work, thats not acceptable.
Glad I don't work where you do. Because it sounds like a firm of douchebags.
We probably get laid more though.
i'm glad i dont represent wall street oasis training packages in my signature on here. talk about a douche
Jrt336 your thesis is resting on 2 games? Come on bro, UT lost to UNC this bowl season yet no one is saying the SEC sucks - for a reason. The Big 10 sucks from top to bottom year after year, plain and simple. 2009 was the Big 10's first winning BCS bowl season ever (4-3). Odds are they will not have a winning BCS record this bowl season either.
However, last season Texas was one fluke injury away from competing for its second national championship. Pac-10 and SEC both have multiple national championships in recent years. The Big 10 umm not so much. Their national championship from 2002 was result of a terrible call that gave them the game. I only vote for the Big 12 because of Texas and to much lesser extents Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. No conference is great top to bottom but at least the Big 12, SEC, and Pac- 10 usually have at least one good team.
You do realize that a lot of the selection process is the viewership that they will bring. The reason the Big Ten will get teams in over the ACC, Big East, PAC-10 and the lower parts of the Big 12 is because they bring in an ass load of viewers. The Big Ten routinely brings in the more money than any conference.
Come on dude, this is WSO.com, you should know it's all about the benjamins.
Big 10 football is like minivan racing. Sure someone "wins" but does it really matter?
SEC is far better than big 12 and PAC 10. SEC West alone is better than those other conferences.
I did not come to a Big Ten school for the football (I came for the beasketball and was sorely dissapointed). But seriously, the Big Ten is a pretty strong conference overall. You will find Big Ten alum at almost every firm, and we do pretty well in basketball and football (but the last couple years have been rough for football). Great looking girls (especially at Madison), and people who like to party. What more do you want?
i want more than mediocrity.
Insecurity due to lack of puss in college and length of schlonger.
Wow. Go turn some pitch book edits, you clown.
So which college did you go to that is so far above the across-the-board mediocrity of the Big Ten? People choose schools for any number of reasons and most don't involve the likelihood of getting a job at a BB. Going to UIUC didn't seem to hurt Jon Corzine, Jack Welch, Larry Ellison, Marc Andreessen, Max Levchin, Steve Chen, Thomas Siebel, Jerry Colangelo, Martin Eberhard, Robert Johnson, and Hugh Hefner to name a few...all decidedly not mediocre people. I'm sure that most Big Ten schools have a similar list.
Something smells like troll...
West Point. Have you heard of it?
I'll admit the B10 isn't great, but they did win 2 BCS games last year. The b12 is no better, and the B10 will certainly be better when Nebraska joins next year. The Pac10 may be better at the top, but not in the middle.
dont get so defensive. your identity is too wrapped up in your WSO credentials. douche
Ha. I didn't even go to a Big Ten school. I just think anyone trashing schools for being mediocre is an asshole.
I'd say academically, the PAC 10 is the best. USC, UCLA, Berkeley, and Stanford's pretty good I hear.
Then Big 10-OSU, Michigan, Indiana, Illionois, Mich St. and Northwestern.
2nd Tier-VII, ACC, Big East
Last by far- SEC
The ACC is 2nd tier to the Big Ten? Wow. All we have in the poor, dumb ACC is Duke, UVa, UNC, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Miami, Boston College, and Maryland. Academically, they are EASILY on par if not far superior to the cream of the Big Ten AND Pac-10.
This debate is pretty pointless. Are we talking NYC IBD placement? Are we talking sports? School ranking? Basketball or football?
The downfall of Big 10 Football is pretty remarkable. Just look at some of the names that 10 years ago were among the heaviest hitters in college sports. Michigan, Ohio State (had a pretty good year this year too), Penn State (ok, maybe more than 10 years), etc. It just shows how temporary your place at the top can be. Who would have thought that Oregon and TCU would be among the best teams in the nation just a few years ago?
It's all cyclical.
explain the SEC then
Lack of ethics?
these fags who get so uptight about this site are seriously lame. i'll give you a markup here in a few hours so you can get back to work. oh yeah, and can you get my shoes shined for me, analyst?
Talk about getting uptight...
Don't you owe me a pitch book filled with acquisition ideas that my firm will never pursue? Get the fuck out of here. Making fun of someone's school / occupation is retarded. Only an idiot thinks they're hot shit because they're some IB associate. What a joke.
2397 posts on this site? really? have a life much?
I've just spent my time here trying to find someone cool enough to be my mentor and teach me how to be cool like them...I've finally found you! Please, let me be like you, teach me your ways you miserable cunt.
Hit a nerve?
PSU, OSU, Purdue, Nebraska are pretty well know and solid schools. No way they rank up with the Ivy league, but if you tell someone you went to OSU I am pretty sure they will recognize the school.
All 3 besides Nebraska. I wouldn't consider them good in anything except the ties to Warren B and their sports, actually just football.
Can't wait to hear what Cowherd says about the Big10 after this weekend on ESPN this week.
I am not sure why I even get the damn Big10 Channel. They were dissecting for like 40 mins yesterday how Wisconsin lost that game with dominating rushing yardage and time of possession.
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools…
UIUC, UW-Madison, Purdue - all on that list
http://wpcarey.asu.edu/fin-rankings/rankings/results.cfm
OSU, UIUC - both on that list
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-e…
UIUC, Purdue
Listen, all I am saying is shitting on random schools is stupid. If you went to Penn, Harvard, Columbia, etc no one is debating that you went to an amazing school. No one is in New York and goes to Nebraska. It is a well known, flagship state school. Some people are 1st generation college students. So kids don't have the money or they cannot imagine themselves going to another school.
I don't know, I went to pretty decent private schools. I never feel the urge to shit on someone who went to a lesser school. Way too many elements that go into a college decision to make blanket statements. This thread would have had merit had it just been about bashing sports teams, but to demean people for whatever reason is silly.
If you went to a top school and work in banking you are living the dream. How does shitting on someone else increase your happiness at this point?
For what it is worth, I would be hesitant about shitting on any school. I've met plenty of Wharton guys who had big 10 or lower schools as their UG's. I am sure they wouldn't appreciate that.
Comparing major football conference's school academic rankings is pointless. The ivy league is on top, followed by public ivys (Michigan, UVA, UNC) and top liberal arts. Outside of that, the difference between the academic quality is pretty marginal. No one gives a shit about whether or not University of Georgia, University of Arizona, and Oklahoma is the best academically out that group. What matters most is athletics and quality of women at each school.
The SEC is hands down, without question, the best conference in college football right now. As a Big 12 guy, it hurts to say that the 2000s were dominated by the SEC. This doesn't mean this decade will be dominated by the SEC. In fact, the next decade may be dominated by the Big 10. With Nebraska joining the conference, and Harbaugh maybe joining Michigan, they may stronger in the next 10 years. Throw in Penn State and OSU, and there could easily be 3 or 4 top ten Big Ten teams year in and year out.
The SEC, as a conference, has perhaps had the best 10 year run in the history of college football. But there time may be over. Will Muschamp was a pretty mediocre hire for Florida. He was the D Coordinator for a team with a losing record during a year when the Big 12 was pretty shitty. And he had plenty of horses on that defense....Charlie Weis failed at ND, what makes UF think he will succeed as the O Coordinator at Florida?
regardless of how "prestigious" his undergrad school may have been, blue baller got a 2.9 gpa at it, couldn't break into banking out of undergrad, and is now one of the arrogant yet useless post-mba associates everyone hates
Well OSU saves the Big Ten from being a total disaster. That being said, Big Ten is really the most solid conference out there in terms of balancing football, basketball, and academics. SEC might have fielded better teams in the last 5 or so years, but that comes at a cost of questionable recruiting and - lack of - graduating its "student"-atheletes. It's really nothing more than minor league for the NFL. Not that the Big Ten is totally clean (OSU comes into mind), but the SEC really takes it to a new level.
OSU is among the worst of all schools with regards to student-athletes' performance in the classroom.... The Big Ten is no better (outside of perhaps NW and maybe UMich) with student-athlete academics than the SEC. Numbers might be slightly boosted by non-money sports (ie anything non-football/basketball), but that is about it.
Like I said, the Big Ten isn't as clean but to say that it's just as bad as SEC is just not true.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/newmedia/public/rates/index.html
Using any metric that they have (GSR, FGR, and APR), the Big Ten performs better than SEC.
Moreover, look up "oversigning" and which schools practice it.
TCU won the rosebowl, which was awesome to be at with all those fat crying cheeseheads.
That being said, anyone who thinks they are superior to someone because of where they went to UG is a complete ass clown. Sorry not all of us started preparing for college applications in 7th grade but actually had lives. True, going to H/Y/P gives you a significant advantage in the game of upper finance but i am pretty sure your performance and drive on the job will easily trump a history degree from Harvard. It's pretty obvious where i went to school and couldn't be happier with where i am right now in life so suck on my balls.
Just for the record, the reason the SEC has been so good for so long is JUCO. Except for FSU, ACC schools don't take JUCO players except in rare cases. You will see a universal theme among the vast majority of football factory schools is the taking of JUCO players, which is why the ACC will remain "second tier" in football. But it's laughable to put the Pac-10 or Big Ten ahead of the ACC academically. That's absurd.
Totally my bad on that call guys. I guess everyone always totally disregards the ACC when talking about football, so I disregarded them when I put that. My apologies, they are definitely up there with the top tier, heck maybe even best.
Who cares about student athlete performance. College sports is the last place slavery is still condoned. These guys bring in tons of cash for the school and if they get hurt they have none of the fall backs that an NFL player has. Sell one of your jerseys and you are suspended. A university sells your jersey and makes millions. Complete garbage.
Brief article about JUCO players and how top performing football schools use them. That's basically the difference between mediocre BCS conferences (Pac-10, ACC generally speaking) and the SEC.
http://accsec.blogspot.com/2010/12/juco-recruiting-pays-dividends-cause…
The is a random blog entry from some guy without any substantiation for his arguments? He basis the SEC having more JUCO athletes on the fact that a few of the top JUCO players for one particular year went to SEC teams... It just may have been also because they happened to be among the best teams in the country and close to home. A pretty easy decision then.
Jerome, why do you think the SEC has dominated college football for the last decade? JUCO isn't the ONLY reason, but it's a significant reason. Look at Florida State. Until Virginia Tech joined the ACC, FSU dominated the conference totally and absolutely. FSU was the ONLY team consistently taking JUCO players. If you look at their rivals rankings right now, it appears about 1/3 of FSU's class is JUCO. It makes a huge difference when you can plug holes with dominant 20-year-old players when the rest of your competition is having to fill their holes by developing younger, weaker high school players. I believe Ohio State does this, too. Right now, a solid quarter of their recruiting class is JUCO.
The thing is, I wish VT did this because it's a legal option available. But the simple fact is, the football factory schools take JUCO players and they win national championships and it's a substantial reason why, particularly this year as the Heisman trophy winner on the likely national championship team is a JUCO player. And by they way, Cam Newton is not from Alabama; he's from Atlanta.
In summation, football success is absolutely a measure of national prestige for a university. But fans shouldn't act so arrogantly about "this conference being 2nd tier in football, this one being premiere" when much of the success has to do with coaching philosophy of weighting sports in a greater manner than athletics rather than having them balance. If VT could have plugged some significant holes on its offensive line and in its decimated linebacker core (injury) this year, we'd have easily been 13-0 and in contention for the title.
They do a much better job recruiting, have more home grown talent in their areas vs the Big 10, have overall more innovative and better coaches in recent years, and have much more sophisticated offensive and defensive schemes.
The fact you even mention JUCO just shows how laughable this discussion is. Look at the whole joke that is Ohio State--that is the epitome of Big Ten football and their team is as big of a joke academically as any SEC school. If you think not taking JUCO = higher academic standards, then you are sorely mistaken. There is a big cultural effect where few people in northern states look towards JUCO schools (moreso look do FCS or D2 schools), while many in the south look towards JUCO as a way to enter the higher levels. One certainly isnt better than the other, but they are different.
The ACC has better academics--I don't think anyone will deny that, but FSU dominated in large part because they had a dominating coach in arguably the most densely populated area of talent in the country in FL. Top coach + top talent = success.
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