Does finance suck that much?
I’m starting uni soon and have only really had my eyes set on finance since nothing else pays as well. Reading from this app make it sound horrid and genuinely not worth the pay check. I see way too many posts of people at their breaking point.
And words of wisdom from seniors?
Finance can be a double-edged sword, and whether it "sucks" depends on your expectations, priorities, and tolerance for the challenges that come with it. Based on the most helpful WSO content, here are some insights:
The Downsides:
The Upsides:
Words of Wisdom from Seniors:
Final Advice:
If you're set on finance, make yourself a top candidate by networking, gaining relevant experience, and honing your skills. But also, take time to reflect on why you want to pursue this path. If it's purely for the paycheck, you might find the trade-offs harder to justify.
Sources: Dear Undergrads and Highschoolers, Regrets Due to Finance, Dear Undergrads and Highschoolers, Do you guys actually enjoy your jobs?
Don't look too much into it. For one, this is a whole website mostly focused on IB, which is sole crushing and horrible, with the added affect most people going into IB aren't the biggest finance fans and just want the exit opps. There are literally so many great roles in finance that you can find anything you want. Like math? Structuring, quant, trading. Like people? Sales, IB, IR. Like writing long reports on things? ER, AM. Like working with businesses? PC, PE, VC, GE, IB, etc. So many different options in different areas.
Ah I see. I mean I guess it’s expected, but the ratio of good:bad experiences on here seems daunting. (But not like you’d expect “good” experiences to be posted so yh)
The uni I’m going to is full of IB heads but I’m more interested in trade roles or quant tbh but I do see the appeal of flexible interests.
People don't come online to talk about how average their experience at JPMorgan was. It's an online platform. If you only listened to people online, you'd think every single job was horrible.
No job is perfect. IB is better than most, but it's a job you have to do because you want to learn, not for the paycheck.
The job, like most gets progressively better and more interesting as you get more senior. There's also an implicit trade-off between hours and accelerated career development.
If you think you're somehow going to be the exception and get one without the other, you're going to be in for a bad time.
The pay is a blessing and a curse. As with any high paying job, the pay can attract some pretty toxic people, who can ruin it both for themselves and those around them.
At the junior level, there are plenty of jobs (e.g., corporate development) that have similar skillset, with 80% of the pay, 60% of the learning experience and 50% of the hours. If that sounds like a better value proposition, take that and don't look back. trying to game the system or get IB exits without committing the hours sets you + those around you up for failure.
The uni I go to if full of aspiring IBs, and from the info I’ve gathered it seems very little want to actually do it for much other than the paycheck so I was just curious/worried.
Also given publicly known hours I’ve seen, the pay as a junior seemed the similar for other roles it’s just the hours seemed insanely longer hence the TC. Is there something I’m missing there? (As ofc I’m not in the industry yet). Is it surrounding the idea of future progression, bonuses/commissions etc?
if you don't care about WLB and you're a "corporate" guy i.e. don't give a crap about tech / grass is greener, then there isn't much issue in this. You're in your 20s at the peak of your energy/stamina levels to the point that you can go sleepless for a day without much effort, which is harder once you're more senior. This energy/brain pumping dopamine 24/7 is used by people at your age to party, etc. which is basically as tiresome as banking because you go out, drink until wasted (alcohol is poison so its hard for your body) and come at 6/7, sleep like shit, and feel like shit for 1-2 days afterwards. This is no different than being wasted in banking in terms of destroying your body. Sure, is IB fun? well no, it's a job, it isn't supposed to be fun.
If you care about the job it also helps, because it's filled by prestige oriented guys who can't wait to leave to talk about how they are "ex-GS and here's my LinkedIn post on what I learned and how I am building now a start-up" ???? which doesn't create the sort of teams you might want when people join to brag about it insted of genuinly caring about the job/career. You either see yourself doing finance long-term or you don't. Your alternative is entrepreneurship, which you need to enjoy managing an HVAC business (I don't), some sort of start-up where you need to sit with a bunch of nerds that you just hate for what they represent (I do) or I don't know. If you're not sure, you might get in to "see" but then will end up probably as well complaining.
also, who do you have in banking? some guys who came thinking they'll take 6 fig paycheck and go to Bahamas on holidays and see Asia? yeah, sorry kid but this will have to wait (unless you're in Euro office hehe). Also, if you've never faced adversity in your life you'll cry like the other guy in the other thread. But if you have some pair of balls and are mature then you might even end up enjoying it, who knows? I worked at 16-18 in the summers doing some shitty gardening/woodworking job undeer august sun and it was a fucking pleasure to go every day, be it 12,15,18 hours in a clean suit to fuck around in an Excel and listen to my VP/MD give me a sense of business reality rather than whatever you might learn in your classrooms. Sure, the team/MD does make a difference, but if you're not set on doing finance because you like it, then you'll be miserable notwithstanding your team.
what you see on those forums is not representative of the above average guys and it's just the bottom who is in some sort of depression/existential crisis and needs to talk about it (hence, why forums are overrepresented by negative posts). I am in the opposite side, I do enjoy finance and I do have an inclination to mentor/give advice, so I do come here quite often to share more optimistic views about this field. I do enjoy it and plenty of others do, so I can assure you those complains come from spoiled/entitled kids who watched too many tiktoks about wow how cool to be a banker wow lots of money wow very prestige
What you said about the parties makes full sense yea.
Honestly (ofc this is probably bad but) one of my main motivators is money, and it just so happens finance work has that and appeared more enjoyable than other careers, but WSO made me question it hence why I wanted opinions. (Im in Europe but idk how much that means)
Good to hear tbh as I didnt know thats what WSO is full of. Can I ask how long it took you to get to that level? Also what views (if any) do you have on the quant finance space in terms of a career/industry?
then you're losing your time, better to be in tech and become comfortable with building digital things to then do a startup/work at startups
5-6 years, but I was doing smth else before finance, so came in later
can't comment on quant, clueless, probably excessively competitive, more than standard finance roles, given all STEM degrees (including PhDs) get paid peanuts and almost all compete for the Citadels/Renaissances out there
Honestly, don’t let the horror stories freak you out too much. Finance can be brutal, especially at first, but it really depends on the role and company. Some areas (like investment banking or trading) are intense, but others (like corporate finance or FP\&A) are way more manageable.
My advice: focus on building skills and networking early, don’t burn yourself out trying to chase the “highest paying” role straight away, and remember you can pivot later. Money is nice, but if you hate your life doing it, it’s not worth it. Find a balance.
If you want, I can break down which finance paths are more chill vs. “breaking point” level.
Thats good to hear. Honestly the only thing that I've been interested in is buyside (quant) trading so if you have any knowledge on that (doesnt need to be quant) I'd love to hear more. I see some stats saying like 50% of people are fired in a year and such.
(As im quite new to this realm) Do you think in networking I should go pass a linkedin connection and try get like a number or such (which feels more personal)? Because I feel like a linkedin connect is very loose when some people have so many already (and my uni societies have dinners and such with HF seniors etc)
Also, if you could, I'd appreciate the run down of finance paths. I dont need insane detail as I probably wont need to consider every one but a very brief list would be great thanks.
I worked corporate finance in a prestigious company and could have retired there, but sought something better. I was jealous of IB pay and IBers were jealous of my work / life balance.
Meh I worked in IB at GS and it sucked. Hours were bad and mental health suffered significantly. Your mileage may vary.
Avoid IB. It’s funny how everyone I know that did wealth management ended up running their own book and making $300K+ working 20 hours a week.
how long did it take them to build up that book?
IB is awful and essentially just a platform to use for the exits
There are lots of options in finance for what you want to do — you don’t have to do IB. I did it for one summer and disliked it. Working at an RIA can offer better WLB and benefits, for example.
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It all depends, but yes to a large extent it is soul crushing and miserable. The field has become increasingly stagnant compared to the 1980s, people were making partner in less than 10 years, now that might get you to director in the time, if you’re lucky. Compensation on a risk adjusted basis is worse there’s a lot more bankers and a lot less opportunity.
Most banks have much more fleshed out coverage so it’s far harder to establish yourself as a senior banker. Honestly, looking back, I wish I went into tech.
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