Interesting enough, I saw some polls that showed Donald Trump had an increasing voter base among African Americans who sympathize having a rough time dealing with the system.
"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
Even though I expected this outcome, it still comes as a shock seeing the absurd degree to which the legal system can be abused. So many norms were violated by a clearly partisan judge, the latest being his instructions to the jury that they didn't need to be unanimous on what he did just unanimous that he did something among the various argument presented. The charges themselves weren't even based in actual case law, they had to bust out "novel legal theories" in order to interpret their way to a crime - turning what would normally be 1 State-level misdemeanor (one which is rarely if ever charged and was well past the statute of limitations) into 34 separate felony counts. I wouldn't be surprised to see this get thrown out on an appeal or if it managed to make it all the way to SCOTUS, but I don't think any of it matters since none of that would happen before the election (I think).
For what it's worth though, this is probably a blessing for Trump. I'm seeing PE/VC folks from notable firms who seem historically more left-leaning posting on Twitter/X that they're donating to DJT. His donation site crashed because of the massive traffic increase ("donate to trump" managed to surpass "boobs" in google search traffic!). If his pitch in 2016 was that he was against the establishment, this conviction makes that an even stronger one this time around and people are pissed. The last 4 years have been a brutal economy for working people, 2 huge new wars sending billions overseas, 10m+ illegals flooding in and straining cities & towns across the country - and the guy who said all this would happen under Biden while on the way out is getting prosecuted in multiple states by blatantly partisan prosecutors in cases that could've been argued years ago but instead waited until just before the election.
He has better odds now than he did the first time he ran by orders of magnitude. The VP pick will be important since it could indicate some sort of deal w/ establishment Republicans if he chose someone like Rubio which could be the last piece of the puzzle. Certainly going to be an interesting 2nd half to the year.
Edit: lol @ the idiots marking any part of this as inaccurate when it's pure statements of fact. Dare any of you to comment & dispute any part of it.
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First of all, 100% agreed on how absurd this conviction was in so many ways. Incredibly partisan and held in one of the most liberal places in the country with a judge and jury who hates him on principal.
Now on election impact -- I could see this going both ways. Dems were never going to vote for him so what this effects beyond his core die-hard base is a) republicans that like him but don't necessarily love him and b) independents.
On the 1st -- This is where it could help him, as folks that may not love him but it hits them right in the forehead how messed up the system is that the entire establishment is working to stop him. On anger & principle, they could turn out for him in far bigger numbers than expected
On the 2nd -- Either pos or neg. On pos side, similar argument to that of above (rigged system, Trump is being treated as the under-dog and people feel he's their best shot). Flip side is that independents who just won't want to vote for a felon (no matter how rigged it was to make him one with novel legal theories)
Not sure where this yet lands. Lots more Jews now supporting Trump along with finance folks who primarily voted lib before....and bigger Hispanic and black vote as well. So all said, I'd lean towards a continued edge for Trump but could turn any which way still IMO. RFK voters might flip to Trump's side here since they realize RFK has no chance and Trump is their best shot against the establishment, so that could be a pos. Still early to call, we'll see what the debates look like and what SCOTUS decides with regards to immunity...not to mention the economy over the next 6 months. Lots of swing factors. I'll be curious to see what the polling says in a few weeks after this news proliferates and people have some time to consider it. Amazing how the system is trying to crush Trump
"Not only is Trump the first former president to be found guilty of a felony, he’s also the first major-party presidential nominee to be convicted of a crime in the midst of a campaign for the White House. And if he defeats President Joe Biden in November, he will be the first sitting president in history to be a convicted felon."
"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
Interesting trivia, if Trump is a convicted felon, that means he can't even vote for himself right?!?!
"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
Remember guys — They persecuted Jesus for being right too
AMDG
"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
Regardless of what you believe politically, this whole thing seems dystopian to me. Having a presidential candidate try to cover up hush money payments to a porn star is not what I want to see in our nations top officer. Also, this conviction is only going to fire up Trumps base and drive them to the polls. Biden is older/more senile than dirt and I can’t vote for him either. No sane candidates left for the sane
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Interesting enough, I saw some polls that showed Donald Trump had an increasing voter base among African Americans who sympathize having a rough time dealing with the system.
1) Does anyone actually care he sent $130k in hush money payments to a porn star from his business account and lied about it
2) Are we gonna have our first Zoom presidential debate with Trump on house arrest
Not really. I care quite a bit, though about all of his business fraud. the man seems to be a lifelong grifter.
Even though I expected this outcome, it still comes as a shock seeing the absurd degree to which the legal system can be abused. So many norms were violated by a clearly partisan judge, the latest being his instructions to the jury that they didn't need to be unanimous on what he did just unanimous that he did something among the various argument presented. The charges themselves weren't even based in actual case law, they had to bust out "novel legal theories" in order to interpret their way to a crime - turning what would normally be 1 State-level misdemeanor (one which is rarely if ever charged and was well past the statute of limitations) into 34 separate felony counts. I wouldn't be surprised to see this get thrown out on an appeal or if it managed to make it all the way to SCOTUS, but I don't think any of it matters since none of that would happen before the election (I think).
For what it's worth though, this is probably a blessing for Trump. I'm seeing PE/VC folks from notable firms who seem historically more left-leaning posting on Twitter/X that they're donating to DJT. His donation site crashed because of the massive traffic increase ("donate to trump" managed to surpass "boobs" in google search traffic!). If his pitch in 2016 was that he was against the establishment, this conviction makes that an even stronger one this time around and people are pissed. The last 4 years have been a brutal economy for working people, 2 huge new wars sending billions overseas, 10m+ illegals flooding in and straining cities & towns across the country - and the guy who said all this would happen under Biden while on the way out is getting prosecuted in multiple states by blatantly partisan prosecutors in cases that could've been argued years ago but instead waited until just before the election.
He has better odds now than he did the first time he ran by orders of magnitude. The VP pick will be important since it could indicate some sort of deal w/ establishment Republicans if he chose someone like Rubio which could be the last piece of the puzzle. Certainly going to be an interesting 2nd half to the year.
Edit: lol @ the idiots marking any part of this as inaccurate when it's pure statements of fact. Dare any of you to comment & dispute any part of it.
First of all, 100% agreed on how absurd this conviction was in so many ways. Incredibly partisan and held in one of the most liberal places in the country with a judge and jury who hates him on principal.
Now on election impact -- I could see this going both ways. Dems were never going to vote for him so what this effects beyond his core die-hard base is a) republicans that like him but don't necessarily love him and b) independents.
On the 1st -- This is where it could help him, as folks that may not love him but it hits them right in the forehead how messed up the system is that the entire establishment is working to stop him. On anger & principle, they could turn out for him in far bigger numbers than expected
On the 2nd -- Either pos or neg. On pos side, similar argument to that of above (rigged system, Trump is being treated as the under-dog and people feel he's their best shot). Flip side is that independents who just won't want to vote for a felon (no matter how rigged it was to make him one with novel legal theories)
Not sure where this yet lands. Lots more Jews now supporting Trump along with finance folks who primarily voted lib before....and bigger Hispanic and black vote as well. So all said, I'd lean towards a continued edge for Trump but could turn any which way still IMO. RFK voters might flip to Trump's side here since they realize RFK has no chance and Trump is their best shot against the establishment, so that could be a pos. Still early to call, we'll see what the debates look like and what SCOTUS decides with regards to immunity...not to mention the economy over the next 6 months. Lots of swing factors. I'll be curious to see what the polling says in a few weeks after this news proliferates and people have some time to consider it. Amazing how the system is trying to crush Trump
Trump found guilty in hush money trial | CNN Politics
"Not only is Trump the first former president to be found guilty of a felony, he’s also the first major-party presidential nominee to be convicted of a crime in the midst of a campaign for the White House. And if he defeats President Joe Biden in November, he will be the first sitting president in history to be a convicted felon."
Interesting trivia, if Trump is a convicted felon, that means he can't even vote for himself right?!?!
NY and FL laws allow him to vote regardless of conviction status
Remember guys — They persecuted Jesus for being right too
AMDG
You gotta be trolling with this comment
Amazing -- the mods already shadow-banned this thread
Regardless of what you believe politically, this whole thing seems dystopian to me. Having a presidential candidate try to cover up hush money payments to a porn star is not what I want to see in our nations top officer. Also, this conviction is only going to fire up Trumps base and drive them to the polls. Biden is older/more senile than dirt and I can’t vote for him either. No sane candidates left for the sane
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