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Yeah, such democracy where someone with 1% votes in the primary gets the Presidential nomination.
There might've been a bit of sarcasm implied
Edit: me reading through this entire thread after not checking it since last night
Financeabc is weeping right now. Libs getting owned by Trump once again
Lol, at least the republicans held a primary..
Let's see if Trump keeps his word on those sweeping tariffs and tax breaks.
I have enough liquid assets to live comfortably through a depression, but I'm not entirely sure rural voters are going to sail through it.
Shit, I actually hope that Trump and Musk will just quietly do nothing and take credit for the rising economy they're inheriting, for the sake of your average Joe - but the devil on my shoulder also wants to witness the absolute destruction they'll set in motion.
What rising economy? What will happen is we’ll enter a recession in 2025 or 2026 and he’ll blame it on Biden/Harris
This is such a toxic mentality. Win or lose, neither side should wish for the destruction of our country. Not saying conservatives aren't guilty of this as well, but it's sad to see from anyone.
I heard a lot of this nonsense from my urban elite liberal friends. "We have plenty of money, we're just concerned for those poors".
They're all less rich than they think they are, and I'll bet the same is true for you. Meanwhile the average Joe is a lot smarter than you think he is. Which is why he voted for Trump.
I concur.
Disgraceful in defeat. Insufferable in victory.
You’re pure class all the way.
What was pure class was calling half the country garbage. Of course people are being insufferable in victory when the media has been labeling them as garbage racist Nazis for years.
Personally, I don't see this as much a win for Trump as a win for anyone that has been marginalized by the media and the Democrat Party. Guess, what half the country isn't garbage. Black men who voted for Trump are not sexist. Hispanics who voted for Trump are not racist either. Democrat policies suck and they have failed. Americans want something else.
Are you guys really this miserable that you can’t even be happy this morning? You literally won the Presidency, Senate, and probably the House and you’re still terminally aggrieved.
Give it a break.
Cope
Like Ozy said, I’m a rich white guy. I’m coping fine.
Clearly I’m in the minority this time. America gets what they vote for. That’s how democracy works.
Sure man, enjoy the cope. It’s all you have left, nothing you say matters at this point anyway. Welcome to heaven for America and hell for you in the next 4yrs
You’re the guy always going on about all of your weird cuckolding fantasies, right?
You should probably sit this one out. Maybe in the chair in the corner of the room.
Sure bro, say whatever you want. The results will drive you far more crazy than whatever you say in your attempt to clap back
You don’t know me at all. The results are disappointing, but they are what they are. Pretty undeniable.
It’s pretty weird how obsessed with “liberal meltdowns” some of you guys are. Not everyone has green hair and a septum piercing. Not everyone throws temper tantrums like a 4th grader.
Celebrate your victory like an adult and worry less about “owning the libs.”
Your cope is so delicious CRE. I'm gonna savor it.
"Cope" would be me making excuses for the loss or spinning it in some way. I'm not. It was a emphatic defeat. The American people thoroughly rejected Biden's last four years and what Kamala was offering. Now, as Americans, we move forward with this reality.
My post had nothing to do with "coping" with the election results. It was directed to you specifically, your 10 year old memes, and your now-edited "Hitler" title. It says a lot that your candidate won and all you care about is "owning the libs." Plenty of us are discussing the election intelligently and you're just being an utter piece of shit as always.
To reiterate, in defeat you lacked class and now in victory you lack class. If WSO was an office, there would be a large number of people wearing red ties, a few people wearing blue ties, and you in the corner with food dripping down your suit and a stained MAGA hat yelling random words and thinking you're hilarious.
In two years, or four years, or six years, an election will go my way again. The sun will come up. Life will go on. You will still be a miserable person though.
Financeabc's meltdown is also quite hilarious
You want to know what we won't see? Joe Biden encourage a bunch of angry traitors to storm the Capitol and threaten lawmakers if they don't overturn the election.
Generally speaking, who cares who wins or loses? The problem with Trump is and always has been the fact that he's so uninterested in anything but his own self-aggrandizement that he erodes democratic norms.
Whatever. I'm a rich white guy. I'll be fine. His voters are the most likely to suffer, but I'm sure there will be some excuse for it again.
I agree. The Dems won't encourage their supporters to attack the seat of power in the United States. The Dems' modus operandi is to encourage their supporters to attack innocent people and to destroy businesses in towns and cities far away from power.
Ah, you must be referring to the BLM protests that Mr Trump oversaw!
One side respects the will of the voters. The other claims that any election they don't win is illegitimate. There is no more debate needed. You either respect the first principles of democracy, or you don't. We know what you choose.
You can do better than this non sense.
Touch grass.
At the end of his four years, Trump will give up power just like he did last time. No one is taking over the government by force of arms and no one attempted to do so last time either. Trump participated in the democratic process to regain his position and won. Deal with it. This is how democracy works.
I know 4 years can feel a long time ago, but have you already forgotten about the fake elector plot?
Mike Pence not playing ball was literally the only thing that made Trump give up power. And now he has election denier Vance to do the job.
Just like he did last time. With a violent mob, 36 criminal convictions, in disgrace, having wiped his pale, fat smelly ass with the fabric of the nation and the constitution.
Who am I kidding - you’re just another moron that selectively remembers one of our nation’s darkest days as a “love fest”. Wipe Trump’s venerial jizz off your chin before talking to me you fucking craven degenerate.
Honestly, Joe Biden may have just voted for Trump.
Joe Biden here, can confirm, I cast the deciding vote in PA
Jill definitely did
Kamala hasn't even conceded yet. Which got me thinking . . has a Dem candidate ever conceded on election night? Turns out, not in a long ass time. The last one was Michael Dukakis in 1988.
Dems have their own version of storming the Capitol. It's whatever you call the first 2 years of Trump's administration when they flooded the national discourse with false claims of Russian election interference.
What are you talking about? Hillary conceded the election on election night in a phone call, and made her concession speech in the morning. Harris just called Trump and her speech is in 2 hours.
Not conceding until the votes have been fully counted is perfectly reasonable. It's amazing that you are trying to juxtapose this with a man who declared, repeatedly, that any election he lost was automatically fraudulent.
The projection is disgusting, and speaks to a general malaise at the heart of the country - a complete inability to hold oneself responsible. Sad that this is where the self-proclaimed party of personal responsibility has ended up, with these kinds of feeble attempts at deflection.
When Kamala Harris claims the election was stolen from her, come back and talk to me.
Well, those claims were true. We know that. We also know that it was for the benefit of the Trump campaign. I don't understand how you can just repeat these kinds of demonstrable lies with a straight face and still look in the mirror every morning. God knows Democrats aren't perfect, either individually or as a group, but at least we hold our own accountable.
Russia did engage in a concerted effort to influence the US election in 2016. That is an undisputed fact. They did do so to benefit Mr Trump. That, also, is an undisputed fact. The Trump campaign was aware of this, and actively welcomed it (e.g. "collusion). This, too, is an undisputed fact.
The inability of conservatives to face reality and admit fault is truly astonishing and the most disturbing thing about politics these days. It's only exacerbated by the need to project those failures and faults onto others.
We can't have a functioning government or democracy when half the country is constitutionally incapable of admitting that their "team" can err or commit a crime. And that's where we are; Democrats, for all their faults, at least hold their politicians to account when they abuse their position.
Ram a dick in your own ass, doctor. Actually you don’t need to, since Trump’s got that covered already. Guess you couldn’t feel all 1.5 inches of it?
How fucked up is it that the low income voters who voted for trump on the basis of a better economy are the ones most likely impacted if he implements tariffs
How fucked up is it that the low income voters who voted for trump on the basis of a better economy are the ones most likely impacted if he implements tariffs
Which is better- tariffs on goods from other countries, or higher corporate income tax (ie, tariffs on goods from THIS country)?
They're not very smart
Tell me you’re failing at coping without actually telling me
I fucking love the Jan 6th chicken littles like yourself who are glued to garbage mainstream media outlets and just parrot their talking points. The democrats are no better, arguably worse, based on how they supported the BLM riots in the summer of 2020 which resulted in:
- more deaths
- more destruction
- more govt buildings taken over and destroyed
- more violence
than Jan 6th could ever approach ALL in the name of political convenience
Do you not recognize the hypocrisy? Can be against both, can be against neither, but to pick or choose one as appalling and one as silence = violence is hypocritical. But then again the lefts entire platform is 'not trump' so they really arent a value based party anymore
You can do better, I think. Normalizing January 6th is Un-American
No, what I recognize is the fundamental difference between the two actions.
Jan 6th was a bunch of people who were upset they lost an election and decided to overthrow the government by force.
The BLM protests were made because the policing and judicial infrastructure of this country is demonstrably biased against people of color.
Do YOU seriously not understand the difference? If the justice system will not treat you fairly, if the police will murder you with impunity, if your vote is suppressed with only the barest fig leaf of shame, then protesting may be your only choice. By contrast, being allowed to cast your vote and merely having more people vote the other way is not an excuse to bring out the guns and torches.
I guess you think the Founding Fathers were all horrific criminals, right? After all, they rioted and committed violence because they were upset about having rights. In fact the American Revolution is a perfect case in point. No one said "hey, we don't like taxes, lets go tar and feather a bunch of Brits!" What they said was they wanted the right to vote for what those taxes were and how they were spent. They wanted a judicial and fiscal system in which they got a fair shake, and when that was denied them by the authorities that were, they revolted. That's far more the story of BLM than it is the putsch attempt on Jan 6th.
Just some food for thought on why Trump's policies will be long-lasting (and which upsets you so much):
So you can be upset, but I don't at all worry about when the Dems next take power since SCOTUs most notably (but other factors above) protect us from the Dems worst tendencies. The work we will do in the next 4yrs will offer a major shield for decades. Let the dems take power if that's the way things go in 2028, I'm fine with that. I'd gladly trade 2028 for Trump to win 2024 as a 2nd term president who has the mandate to make all of the above happen
Look at that, actual strategy and trying to build a base by earning votes with results. This is all completely foreign to the left.
Yes, Court packing is great when you're the one doing the packing, less so when you try to play by the rules. I have a feeling this will come up again if Trump appoints another justice (which is unlikely; almost all of the justices save Thomas are pretty young) - Democrats will just start playing by the (lack of) rules their Republican colleagues do. Maybe expand the Court. Unlikely, but we'll see what happens. I would have thought the Court packing done by Mr McConnell and Mr Trump was unlikely, too.
They most certainly will not. Republicans made this clear earlier this year - they aren't interested in changing border policy. It's their main campaign issue. They cannot "solve" it without losing voters, so they'll continue to propose draconian and ultimately unworkable measures that they know will be voted down or struck down by the Courts so they can continue to campaign on it. I know there is no way of collecting, but I'd bet good money on this.
I mean, it's pretty absurd to say that the outlets which have journalistic standards and make a point of reporting facts are the ones not telling the truth, versus the wide variety of media which you named which are all notorious for spreading misinformation.
What you mean to say is there will be fewer and fewer checks that impose a sense of actual reality on the echo chamber someone chooses to live in.
Elon isn't a heavyweight. He's an internet troll.
Also, Trump had 2 years of full control in 2016. He did nothing with it. What is you expect him to change? He can't touch entitlements, because those are vote losers. He won't touch immigration, because that's really the only mainstay of his party's appeal. He won't touch abortion any further, because his position on it is wildly unpopular.
He'll try and lower taxes and increase tariffs, both of which will hurt his core constituencies. So basically his term will be spent in figuring out how to blame liberals for the impacts of his policy decisions
Lol. "Democrats worst tendencies" coming from the guy who likely voted for the man who tried to overthrow an election
Joe Biden is gonna be pissed when he finds out he lost the election.
But seriously, if Trump was actually as bad as they say and this was in fact the most consequential election of our lifetimes, I'm genuinely curious where approximately 15 million Dem voters disappeared to.
I bet joe is secretly happy right now, given how the Dems treated him
I didn’t watch his speech today but I hear he sounded 20 years younger
He was jubilant in his speech after Trump victory.
Everyone is saying he himself voted for Trump and helped with final days shenanigans. His wife was also wearing all-red on election day. Interesting turn of events.
The man wore a MAGA hat and gaffed multiple times to the detriment of Kamala. His wife reportedly got into an altercation with one of Kamala's staffers and just happened to dress in all red when she went out to vote. He doesn't give a flying fuck about Democrats vs Republicans or Trump for that matter, he just wanted power and was forced out of running by a coupe from within the party that installed Kamala so they could keep all the money he raised. I wouldn't be at all shocked if he did some of it on purpose out of spite tbh
Imagine how poorly managed a campaign must be if staffers are getting into altercations with an old lady who also happens to be the first lady. Unreal
So.. how are you guys positioning your 401k and PA? Long equities, short bonds?
None of the political bullshit matters anymore we just have to make money. So let’s hear the trades
Gotta be small cap value. Declining rates and reducing regulations will be a boon to them.
AVUV is already up nearly 7% today.
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Kamala lost because she wouldn't denounce the ethnic cleansing of Palestine: Muslims in Wisconsin voted against her. Maybe now the democrats will support Palestine because it's trump running the killing spree: not from a military perspective, but from a human rights perspective. 15,000 Palestinian children have been killed in the last year and Kamala and her camp don't even see them as human? I'm an atheist, I don't give a shit what camp wins....razing entire cities to the ground is wrong, it always has been and it always will be. Dems/liberals will blame third party candidates because they cannot take responsibility for their failings, but the truth is Kamala lost by more votes than were cast for 3rd parties. Personally, as a leftist, I'm gratified to see the "republican-lite" corporate democrats lose. Maybe this is the kick in the ass to get more citizens to start running for office or here's a concept....showing up to vote. Not sure how people think an actual forward thinking movement will get started in USA, the republicans exist to serve the rich and the democrats exist to get the average dope to think they're some kind of alternative. Apparently people can't just make positive changes, they have to push the existing failed system to collapse and build a new one.
For now, Americans have chosen money and ego over independence and freedom and you know what...I'm fine with it. While I'd prefer to live in a more forward thinking society, hey, if the average shithead wants to hand me more money it just speeds up my plans for early retirement.
Oh, and if you're a trumper....you can go fuck yourself as well.
Lol do you really think Kamala lost because she isn't progressive enough? This election is a major rebuke to progressive politics.
Yeah seriously....I mean people like UFOinsider can keep thinking that Democrats need to go more woke and we'll win 2028 as well.
Just a really good example of how bad the echo chamber is on the Left. For their own sake, they should try to learn from this. I mean I'm fine if they don't because it means a lot more W's for the Republicans in the future but just trying to give some friendly advice.
Actually...yes
Calling Kamala a leftist is an insult to actual leftists
Two things:
Take a look at Wisconsin and who the swing voters were....
Bruh don't drink your own koolade, it's a bad look
Good meme
This will sound too simple but I think we’re overlooking the part that a lot of people in this country don’t want to have a woman commander in chief and will veil that thin belief behind the political shortcomings of Clinton / Harris.
Latino voters showed out for Trump, both men and women, and that is a deeply catholic and traditional gender norms voting group - many other minorities that didn’t show up for the democrats have the same social norms. White women vote alongside their white men counterparts so that’s to be expected as well. Harris lost badly in rural areas which also tend to be more traditional. There’s the conservative gender norms but also an argument to be made: will our adversaries abroad respect and or test the military resolve of a woman commander in chief? This is not the time in international relations to test that out to be honest.
I have no strong opinion on the matter truly but I think that’s one of the “too simplistic” quiet parts nobody wants to say out loud.
Not close and no cigar, latinos have been voting for decades so this excuse fails. The deciding votes were cast in Wisconsin, where the swing voters were Muslims outraged by Biden funneling $24B of weapons to Israel's extermination of Gaza....and if you doubt that, you can literally see them celebrating this on TikTok.
The left has abandoned the democrats. Let them burn.
I get that this issue is really important to you - and it’s not lost on me that the far left has been upset with democrats ever since Bernie lost the primary, but respectfully no, Muslims in Wisconsin were not the reason Harris lost both the electoral college and the popular vote - that demographic that is a single issue voter on Palestine is not big enough to fill the gap of loss here.
Harris lost PA because of its large bastion of Latino voters overwhelmingly supported Trump in 2024 vs. Biden in 2020. NV is a similar story. There were 36.2 million Latino votes to win this year vs. 2.5 - 3.5 million Muslim voters. Now it IS true these Muslim voters are majority spread across key swing states so if the election was much closer I would accept the argument that they swung the election but that’s not clear to me today
Respectfully, if Biden didn’t need the left in 2020 to win why did Harris? Because Harris, despite all her efforts, couldn’t capture those “in the middle” republicans who could swing back and forth depending on policy or those voters, spread across all parties, that just don’t believe the president should be a woman, let’s get real here.
Dude the deciding votes were not in WI. She lost every swing state and was brutally bad in places like VA and NJ. The country does not like her. Has nothing to do with Muslims.
And someone who makes that their single issue deserves the rude awakening they're about to get with Mr Trump in power again.
I mean, this goes for the right too. Not that I expect the average voter to be intelligent about their self-interest, and certainly not the kind of identity-politics and grievance voting that has come to define American conservatism, but they're the ones who are going to suffer from Mr Trump's "conceptions of a plan".
It'll just be interesting to see how they blame liberals for it, as they inevitably will. If some of WSO's leading "lights" of conservatism are any indication, your average rural voter who is about to see skyrocketing prices and an increasing inability to access health care will simply say "liberals would be worse" with no justification. Or choose to believe that Kamala Harris was actually a pedophile, or a lizard person, or whatever conservatives are saying these days
This deeply underestimates how bad the two women candidates (Harris and Clinton) were. Clinton was a deeply unpopular figure going into the 2016 election and so was Harris in 2024. For what it's worth, Clinton won the popular vote and Harris performed about as well as Joe Biden was expected to perform in 2024, which is why he was replaced in the first place.
I think you're deeply underestimating why these two candidates were so "unpopular" in the first place. Clinton had a perfectly qualified public service / administration leadership profile but the email scandal led to her demise. Whether or not the reaction to that was overblown (to cover up the preference of not having a woman president) is not worth debating at this point, so let's just say her disdain from the public is valid.
Harris is only deeply disliked because she's attached to the Biden administration - so if you think Biden was a failure, you think Harris would be more of the same. She also had an extremely qualified track record, Attorney General > Vice President is more experience than Trump had in public service when he won the first time around, and she did make an honest effort to release new economic policy plans to differentiate herself from the Biden administration that made sense. People don't want to hear this, but if Harris was a white American man at the same age, with the same energy as Harris - this election outcome would be very different! Hell, I even think if she picked a less goofy VP such as Tim Walz, she could have faired better - he really messed up that VP debate against Vance and people do think about succession when picking their President. Honestly, I think that was her carrot half-thrown to the left given the policies he passed in Minnesota.
Don't think it has much to do with being a woman. She was less popular than Biden before the media tried to gaslight the country with the politics of joy BS. She was the least impressive Democrat running in 2020 other than maybe Beto.
Nikki Haley ran second in the primaries. If the Democrats ran Whitmer instead of Harris, they probably would've won. When given the chance, she stuck with Biden who was very unpopular. She should've done something to distance herself from him economically at a minimum.
It’s the classic Dem fallback argument to reduce everything to race or gender. Shrug and move on, they are far more divisive than anyone else
I think you're vastly underestimating the political shortcomings of both of those candidates and oversimplifying it to the same misogyny argument they make any time a woman runs and loses. But in the end, even if it were true that a plurality of people simply vote through the lens of "I don't want a woman to run the country or our military"... Why is that bad? Is the thought of there being a single job in Western society that a woman isn't able to get popular support for that intolerable?
The world's filled with bad guys (Putin, Xi, KJU, etc.) and maybe, just maybe, both men and women want to feel assured that their own strongman is a bulwark against those forces. Any woman who gets on stage to drone on about race/misogyny/LGBTQIA2S%&@, how unfair things are, and constantly denigrates the single largest demographic of their own military doesn't come across as "strong", especially if they've never served themselves and have been nothing but white collar political climbers their entire career. There aren't many women girlbossing their way through old legends and myths on the hero's journey from any part of the world and popular culture certainly hasn't rewarded modern storytellers who try to incorporate that messaging into film.
Also, you're dropping some key stats here. Single white women vote >70% Democrat. Married white women will vote more in-line with white men.
God bless the USA
Preach!
God bless 🙏
I am surprised that I am allowed to post here. You are not going to want to hear this but Kamala lost badly mostly because she is black and female. We have never had a female president even though half of the population is female and there are very few black people in the senate. In fact, until this election, we have never had more than 1 black female senator. Harris got 15 million less votes than Biden. A difference of 15 million votes is probably not based entirely on policy. Their policies probably do not differ all that much. It should not have been all that difficult to be competitive against a candidate who supported an insurrection against the US, questioned the legitimacy of entire voting system, allegedly sexually assaulted lots of women, etc.
I was never in favor of her being the nominee because I did not think the US would vote for a black female to become the POTUS. I understand why she was the nominee but my pick would have been Shapiro because he is a very popular governor and Jewish males frequently rise to high levels of political power in the US. At the very least, the dems should have done with Shapiro as the veep.
I think you overestimate the number of misogynists and racists. Trump did very well with minorities. Kamala had all kinds of issues that were unique to her (VP and never distancing herself from any Biden policies despite his unpopularity; her lack of substance; her involvement, perceived or real, with the border situation early in Biden's presidency). If they ran Whitmer or Cory Booker, it wouldn't have been a bloodbath last night. Obama circa 2008 or 2012 would've crushed Trump. A left-of-center version of Nikki Haley would've won comfortably. All last night tells you is that Kamala = Biden in voter's minds (and she actively chose not to change this perception) and the economic vibes were better in 2016-2020 than 2020-2024. Looking at CNN's data, it looks like white men and women's voting for Trump narrowed vs 2020. The story is the Latinos and Latinas (and black men at the margin) moving towards Trump.
But plenty of people will default to America is irredeemably racist and sexist and do little to no soul searching. I do agree with you though that if the Democrats were going to force Biden to step aside, they might as well have run something resembling a mini primary, because Kamala was basically the worst option at that point. Newsome, Whitmer, Shapiro probably win a tight one last night.
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