MBB NYC vs MF PE

Currently a top ranked at MBB  (ignore title) and recently got an offer from a solid MF (nmc / apax / permira) I have nothing negative to say about my experience in consulting and can see myself building a career here 


Any thoughts for MBB consultants who made the transition? Worth it? Any regrets 

 

MBB Consulting:

1. Far better culture

2. More varied / interesting work

3. Overall significantly better lifestyle

4. Higher likelihood of achieving partner / senior partner 

PE:

1. Far higher monetary upside in the event you are promoted to partner - but comparably chances of making it to partner are relatively low IMO compared to MBB

If you value lifestyle/culture - stick with MBB. If you value the (unlikely) opportunity to make *serious* money ($30-50mm+) - join PE. You'll know better than most, but partners and senior partners are MBB pull in serious comp as well (all cash). 

 

I keep hearing senior partners make "serious cash" on this forums. What do senior partners make at MBB? I doubt the average senior MBB partner is making more than 3 million and usually they're in their 40s.

 

2-3 million is pretty standard for senior partners at MBB, especially if they’re in the CDD practice. For each CDD case, MBB normally charges 750K-1 million for three weeks of work, and senior partners can be on multiple CDD cases at the same time.

 

the rainmakers at MBB can pull in low 8 figures in a really really good year, but this varies immensely between each firm. McK has the highest ceiling and lowest floor on partner comp, BCG is the opposite, Bain is somewhere in the middle of the two. Honestly, for a senior partner to get to where they are AND keep their position, they're probably selling 10s of M of work a year, and that translates to fat bonuses for themselves. Partners without a rock solid commercial platform are counseled out way before then

 
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Here's some stream of consciousness thoughts. I've posted about this before but candidly I preferred consulting. The money is still good enough that you don't really lack for anything fun you want to do. The culture is very kum-by-ya and easy going (e.g., even my toughest CDDs were comparable to my easiest weeks in PE). I kept getting promoted over and over in consulting and it kind of sucked having to start over with a new skillset in PE (although candidly I'm glad I learned the finance skillset). I thought the work in consulting was more interesting and PE kind of felt like PMO + accounting which totally sucked, I cannot begin to stress how boring most of PE is compared to strategy consulting. It was nice having a bonus in the realm of ~$250k hit my bank at the end of my second year though so that was pretty cool! But all in all, if I were you, I would do it if you are super money oriented, or if you really want the skillset of PE, but otherwise, honestly, kinda wish I stayed in consulting, it was way more fun and PE took a lot out of me personally, but it also got so bad I had a "breaking point" where I got 100% clarity about what I want out of life, so that was a nice byproduct of getting inhumanely crushed. Food for thought sorry the thoughts were disorganized.

 

This may not be the right way to think about it but my general sense is that consulting firms are happy to have folks rejoin if they were well regarded when they left. It may make sense to try PE for a year or two, get paid a boatload of money, and get really good at excel and bossing around service providers before returning to MBB after you get burned out (and maybe with additional time off for an MBA if you can get them to pay for it). 

 

Agree with this. My old partner texted me in the middle of my PE stint saying I could come back any time and offered a promo if I came back. I also think just getting to know a handful of people who will themselves diaspora through finance post-PE is helpful as an incipient consulting partner. Boomerangs are fairly common in consulting and they are a good method of business development.

 

I'm former MBB at a MF. I think people often lose forest for the trees here. Both jobs are tough, but PE much more brutal. I say that because you need to pick something you'd rather do 70+ hrs a week for the foreseeable future. I get grinded way harder in PE. But I'm very glad I made the switch because I never liked consulting and always wanted to be an investor. So it's an easy choice. If you fundamentally like consulting it's going to be a much easier life. PE is too hard to do if you don't actually like it. Otherwise you end up like the many associates who burn out after 2 years and feel lost. Candidly I judge those people, because it's clear that most of them were just sheep headed to the slaughter. I'm not saying you need to stay in PE your whole life, but it's a great way to become an investor. If you're not deeply interested in that essential component, I suggest you stay at MBB.

 

100% agree with this. I’m in the LMM (so can’t comment on MF life/perspective) but I enjoy the core of what my firm does - thinking critically about an investment’s upside/downside, understanding business drivers, working with management teams on strategy planning, deal dynamics, etc. - maybe I’m sick but I find all of that stuff interesting. I’m able to tolerate many boring deliverables as a result. If you don’t enjoy investing, don’t like finance, etc. then PE will be hell on earth (probably comparable to how people think about IB).

 

Could be completely off the mark on this (and would be happy to be corrected if false) but isn't there way more regular travel in consulting? Could be a consideration maybe as you go up the ranks and think about starting a family? Super exotic and fun in your 20's but would imagine it blends to a drag in your late 30's and you're missing little Johnny's soccer game yet again. Not saying that PE is better (it's for sure not) from WLB POV but everyone higher up than me that I work w/ always seem to be able to hit going to their kids' important events  

 

travel culture has definitely changed post covid. if you're manager+ in the PE practice, you can dictate how much and when you travel (e.g., you can force your whole team to fly to where you are if you want to co-locate). one of the partners I work with at my MBB doesn't even leave his house most weeks.

if you're in the general strategy practice, this might be different but will vary significantly by client. some clients don't care at all about in person meetings, others will want the face time. but if it's just travel to work together in person internally, then again as a manager+ you can have your whole team come to you.

 

I wish I could find the thread that was mentioned above. I too remember someone writing a nice thread about going from MBB to PE and then back to MBB

I haven't been a consultant, so I can't speak from experience; however, I have worked with many and have many close friends who are consultants. Looking in from the outside my perception is always that they work hard, but not that hard. The travel can be a hassle for some and I think if you're in a major city, NY/SF, etc then it makes less sense than being in a Tier 2 city and still making the same amount of money. With that said, the folks that stick around in consulting for more than a couple of years seems to love it. As someone said above, it's a little more of a simpatico/kum ba ya type of culture. Hours aren't as bad, people actually generally respect boundaries such as weekends and holidays. It's a little more WLB focused where as PE/Banking pay more and figure that gives them the right to ask for as much as they need from you. 

In your situation, the only thing I'd mention is, will you have regrets not at least trying out PE? I'm biased but PE can be a great role from a learning perspective. The deals you'll see and do at the UMM/MF level should be pretty interesting and you'll get some insight into what it takes to be a do-er within a business rather than just someone who is consulting that business and leaving the execution phase to others.

If you have a good relationship with your group at MBB, there's a good chance you could find a way back there. Unless you're super content with your life and perhaps don't have the capacity to try something new (family, health, etc), I'd grind for another 2 years and make the leap. Worst case you, check off the PE box, realize you don't like finance, make some great money, and you can go back to MBB at ~27/28 and be partner by your mid 30s.

I'd go for it, life is too short to not try out some new things.

 

Consultant who made the jump to PE checking in! 

The gist is that what a lot of what people have said above is true: the least risky path is to go give it a shot, and your MBB job will be waiting there for you when you come back. Quite a few boomerangs in MBB land, and they have experienced so much turnover these past 2.5 years they'll welcome you with open arms assuming you're half decent. 

I almost cried leaving my MBB job. I loved the people, the work, the atmosphere. I found the first few weeks at my PE job depressing ...until I got the hang of it. And I wouldn't trade this job for anything else right now. How it compares from my POV:

- Hours: PE is trough-ier and peak-ier than CDDs. The troughs in PE mean I chill out for a few weeks in August, the peaks mean I do 2 am's 4 weeks straight. With CDDs, I never went past 12 am, but it was sustained 

- Content: I found CDDs interesting (hence PE!) and couldn't stomach working with a massive bank writing bla bla slides on strategic workforce management workshops for FY2035 knowing full well it's a bunch of bullshit and wasted time for everyone. I must say though, we go 3 levels deeper internally on CDD in my current PE job, and I love that even more

- Diversity of stuff you do: definitely spend more time on admin things (board reports processing, internal client reports, etc.) at the PE job than I'd like - at least for now. But you then learn that there is a whole different set of skillsets you still need to hone: modelling, FDD, and (everyone's fav) sourcing and conversion. PE is more diverse, intellectually challenging by far for me 

 

PE gives a mucho more holistic and real world skill set. If you buy something you’re stuck with it for years too so you better get it right. Bluntly put and a bit facetiously, MBB is focused on churning out theoretical reports largely dictated by clients. I wouldn’t go back under any circumstance 

 

I’ve never worked in MBB, did IB then PE, so I’ll admit I am bias. That said, thinking as objectively as possible, I really think going into PE is a complete non-brainier, especially if it’s a solid MF as you noted. Two ways to look at this:

  1. Quality of the work: while the quality of the work at MBB is great I’m sure, PE will give you a much more well-rounded experience and skill set. You learn how businesses in the real world actually work when you are the principal, for better or worse. Even when an MBB consults us or gives us a report, we still have to be discerning and can’t just do or believe everything they say. Being a principal means you TELL the CEO/CFO what to do, not ADVISE them in some slides that hopefully they’ll implement the content of. I’m not trying to minimize the work of consultants here so I apologize if it comes off that way but I am underscoring that it is just a different mentality as a principal. That obviously comes with a lot of stress too - when things go south, you can’t just walk away from it.
  2. Consider the option value: if you stick with MBB and don’t go into PE, the door to PE is most certainly shut for you, at least as an investment professional. If you join that MF and it doesn’t work out or you miss consulting, you will be welcomed back with open arms. No MBB is going to disqualify you for working in PE
 

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